Cease Fire, Hamas Style

[imported_dna]

5 Kassams hit Israel; no wounded

Just so everybody is clear on how it works in the Middle East:

Since the Israeli-Palestinian cease fire last month, 21 Kassam rockets have been fired from Gaza at Israel.

No doubt, this is very much like previous cease fires, where they keep on with business as usual, until something major happens (or engineered), like the death of a family at the beach, after which they can "officially" declare that the cease fire is no longer in effect.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: dna
5 Kassams hit Israel; no wounded

Just so everybody is clear on how it works in the Middle East:

Since the Israeli-Palestinian cease fire last month, 21 Kassam rockets have been fired from Gaza at Israel.

No doubt, this is very much like previous cease fires, where they keep on with business as usual, until something major happens (or engineered), like the death of a family at the beach, after which they can "officially" declare that the cease fire is no longer in effect.

The rocket attacks never stopped to begin with. Hey, it apparently works for the UN - can't have "peace" if you don't protect the terrorist attacks. If I recall they were condemning Israel for responding to these attacks and only the US stood in the way.

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: dna
5 Kassams hit Israel; no wounded

Just so everybody is clear on how it works in the Middle East:

Since the Israeli-Palestinian cease fire last month, 21 Kassam rockets have been fired from Gaza at Israel.

No doubt, this is very much like previous cease fires, where they keep on with business as usual, until something major happens (or engineered), like the death of a family at the beach, after which they can "officially" declare that the cease fire is no longer in effect.

The rocket attacks never stopped to begin with. Hey, it apparently works for the UN - can't have "peace" if you don't protect the terrorist attacks. If I recall they were condemning Israel for responding to these attacks and only the US stood in the way.

Wha?
These are individuals, they're not organized.
And besides, these attacks are harmless compared to the attacks on palestinians, which were the reason they were condemned.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: dna
5 Kassams hit Israel; no wounded

Just so everybody is clear on how it works in the Middle East:

Since the Israeli-Palestinian cease fire last month, 21 Kassam rockets have been fired from Gaza at Israel.

No doubt, this is very much like previous cease fires, where they keep on with business as usual, until something major happens (or engineered), like the death of a family at the beach, after which they can "officially" declare that the cease fire is no longer in effect.

The rocket attacks never stopped to begin with. Hey, it apparently works for the UN - can't have "peace" if you don't protect the terrorist attacks. If I recall they were condemning Israel for responding to these attacks and only the US stood in the way.

Wha?
These are individuals, they're not organized.
And besides, these attacks are harmless compared to the attacks on palestinians,--- ohh boohoo....the palestinians brought this on themselves! You actually expected Israel to not go after those who were using the palestinian people as human shields and their homes to launch rockets? You really must be kidding!!

which were the reason they were condemned.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: dna
5 Kassams hit Israel; no wounded

Just so everybody is clear on how it works in the Middle East:

Since the Israeli-Palestinian cease fire last month, 21 Kassam rockets have been fired from Gaza at Israel.

No doubt, this is very much like previous cease fires, where they keep on with business as usual, until something major happens (or engineered), like the death of a family at the beach, after which they can "officially" declare that the cease fire is no longer in effect.

The rocket attacks never stopped to begin with. Hey, it apparently works for the UN - can't have "peace" if you don't protect the terrorist attacks. If I recall they were condemning Israel for responding to these attacks and only the US stood in the way.

Wha?
These are individuals, they're not organized.
And besides, these attacks are harmless compared to the attacks on palestinians, which were the reason they were condemned.

Right, you know, as a hobby I always launch military rockets on the weekends.

As for the ?harmless?, just because they?re incompetent at murdering does not mean the towns from which the war is being waged should still exist. Evacuate the people, kill all who resist, and flatten every single last building. If they are to make their homes a device of war, they should not have homes and should be thankful for those who remain alive due to sheer mercy.

I would not respond to rocket fire so kindly as Israel does.

 

[magomago]

If it can be proven that is Hamas as an organization engaging in this...then that is ridiculous. But if its individuals acting on their own accord its harder to deal with that stuff. I would THINK Hamas is abiding by it considering 20 rockets over a month is a tiny amount compared to what happened before.
But again - if its shown that this is indeed Hamas that organized these, and not rogue individuals, then I find it ludicrous as well

 

[tvarad]

The Israeli/Palestinian conflict will never be solved because there are too many vested interests both within and outside that do not want it to be solved. That is why anytime there is a real chance for making any headway between the warring sides, there is an atrocious act that brings everything back to square one.

You have to look at the puppeteers, not the puppets.

 

[eleison]

Originally posted by: tvarad
The Israeli/Palestinian conflict will never be solved because there are too many vested interests both within and outside that do not want it to be solved. That is why anytime there is a real chance for making any headway between the warring sides, there is an atrocious act that brings everything back to square one.

Yea, I mean firing rockets into your next door neighbor country.. its like a tradition... heck, whats 4th of july in the USofA withot firing rockets into mexico and canada? tradition man.. in any case, the jews shouldn't complain.. after all, its not like the arabs want to kill them.. or its not like they don't think the holocaust even exists.. thats fox media for you.. all this biases... ooops ... i meant faux media...

-Eleison

 

[Aimster]

It is easy to make a rocket.

Some guy goes and makes it and then fires it.

Hamas still has an israeli soldier dont they?

 

[Czar]

How many have been harmed by these rockets?

 

[imported_dna]

Wow! I never expected such hypocrisy when I created this thread -- individuals firing rockets :roll:

By the way, magomago, love your conditionals; it is a shame you don't see what you're implying in your own paragraph: since only a few rockets are launched, these must be "rogue" individuals, whereas previously there was a much greater volume, therefore there must have been an organized effort, i.e. Hamas. It wouldn't take a leap of logic to conclude that, since Hamas was responsible for the launchings prior to the cease fire, Hams is still responsible after the cease fire went into effect.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Czar
How many have been harmed by these rockets?

Another question would be; why are the rockets being fired, if not to attempt to create damage, casualties and fear?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: tvarad
The Israeli/Palestinian conflict will never be solved because there are too many vested interests both within and outside that do not want it to be solved. That is why anytime there is a real chance for making any headway between the warring sides, there is an atrocious act that brings everything back to square one.

Yea, I mean firing rockets into your next door neighbor country.. its like a tradition... heck, whats 4th of july in the USofA withot firing rockets into mexico and canada? tradition man.. in any case, the jews shouldn't complain.. after all, its not like the arabs want to kill them.. or its not like they don't think the holocaust even exists.. thats fox media for you.. all this biases... ooops ... i meant faux media...

-Eleison

Good point, being on a border state with Canada they better be ready come next 4th o July. I am going to get me some military grade rocketry and give those canucks a show they will never forget!

 

[yllus]

While my ultimate empathy lies with the Israelis who take the brunt of the fractured/nonexistent command and control structure of Hamas, realistically they cannot as an organization ensure that no rocket attacks will take place. Hopefully some good intelligence can be employed to determine whether this is an effort being winked at by the leadership of Hamas, so that Israel can then take whatever actions they feel are necessary.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: yllus
While my ultimate empathy lies with the Israelis who take the brunt of the fractured/nonexistent command and control structure of Hamas, realistically they cannot as an organization ensure that no rocket attacks will take place. Hopefully some good intelligence can be employed to determine whether this is an effort being winked at by the leadership of Hamas, so that Israel can then take whatever actions they feel are necessary.

I think they could if they really wanted to. They control the countryside, they know who sells the weapons. They know when they arrive and from where.

Our govt doesnt seem to have a problem stopping rockets from falling into the hands of para military groups within our country, I dont see why Hamas cant do the same. But I think as we all know, they dont want to stop it. They want to provoke a response from Israel then cry to the world they punched the biggest kid in class and the biggest kid punched back.

 

[Aimster]

they build the rockets in their homes

its easy. I read an article on one of these news sites (cnn, msnbc, foxnews) that showed a young man making it. He had two different versions that he would make.

It took him an hour to build he said.

 

[imported_dna]

Aimster, post a link or two; I can't find that stuff, and I'm having a hard time believing that it doesn't require some skills and tools.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: dna
Aimster, post a link or two; I can't find that stuff, and I'm having a hard time believing that it doesn't require some skills and tools.

Ill post it tonight (got a final in an hour), have to look for it.

The guy made it out of a pipe. He cut it and welded it. I believe the pipe came from Egypt.

He then used common materials (powders) that you can buy at any local hardware shop.

The one he made could go 10km.

 

[Aimster]

N/M here u go

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15976556/site/newsweek/

 

[JEDIYoda]

Its like baking a cake...all you need is the recipe and the appropriate bowls and mixer...etc

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: yllus
While my ultimate empathy lies with the Israelis who take the brunt of the fractured/nonexistent command and control structure of Hamas, realistically they cannot as an organization ensure that no rocket attacks will take place. Hopefully some good intelligence can be employed to determine whether this is an effort being winked at by the leadership of Hamas, so that Israel can then take whatever actions they feel are necessary.

I think they could if they really wanted to. They control the countryside, they know who sells the weapons. They know when they arrive and from where.

Our govt doesnt seem to have a problem stopping rockets from falling into the hands of para military groups within our country, I dont see why Hamas cant do the same. But I think as we all know, they dont want to stop it. They want to provoke a response from Israel then cry to the world they punched the biggest kid in class and the biggest kid punched back.

ahhhhhhhhhh now I understand you

you think the palestinian gov has the same resources as the US

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: yllus
While my ultimate empathy lies with the Israelis who take the brunt of the fractured/nonexistent command and control structure of Hamas, realistically they cannot as an organization ensure that no rocket attacks will take place. Hopefully some good intelligence can be employed to determine whether this is an effort being winked at by the leadership of Hamas, so that Israel can then take whatever actions they feel are necessary.

I think they could if they really wanted to. They control the countryside, they know who sells the weapons. They know when they arrive and from where.

Our govt doesnt seem to have a problem stopping rockets from falling into the hands of para military groups within our country, I dont see why Hamas cant do the same. But I think as we all know, they dont want to stop it. They want to provoke a response from Israel then cry to the world they punched the biggest kid in class and the biggest kid punched back.

ahhhhhhhhhh now I understand you

you think the palestinian gov has the same resources as the US

I think you misunderstand, as usual.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Aimster
N/M here u go

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15976556/site/newsweek/

Reading the article, in order to build a rocket you need a saw, a metal lathe, and a welder. Not exactly items every "individual" can get there hands on.

 

[marincounty]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: dna
5 Kassams hit Israel; no wounded

Just so everybody is clear on how it works in the Middle East:

Since the Israeli-Palestinian cease fire last month, 21 Kassam rockets have been fired from Gaza at Israel.

No doubt, this is very much like previous cease fires, where they keep on with business as usual, until something major happens (or engineered), like the death of a family at the beach, after which they can "officially" declare that the cease fire is no longer in effect.

The rocket attacks never stopped to begin with. Hey, it apparently works for the UN - can't have "peace" if you don't protect the terrorist attacks. If I recall they were condemning Israel for responding to these attacks and only the US stood in the way.

Wha?
These are individuals, they're not organized.
And besides, these attacks are harmless compared to the attacks on palestinians, which were the reason they were condemned.

Right, you know, as a hobby I always launch military rockets on the weekends.

As for the ?harmless?, just because they?re incompetent at murdering does not mean the towns from which the war is being waged should still exist. Evacuate the people, kill all who resist, and flatten every single last building. If they are to make their homes a device of war, they should not have homes and should be thankful for those who remain alive due to sheer mercy.

I would not respond to rocket fire so kindly as Israel does.

:thumbsup:

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: dna
Wow! I never expected such hypocrisy when I created this thread -- individuals firing rockets :roll:

By the way, magomago, love your conditionals; it is a shame you don't see what you're implying in your own paragraph: since only a few rockets are launched, these must be "rogue" individuals, whereas previously there was a much greater volume, therefore there must have been an organized effort, i.e. Hamas. It wouldn't take a leap of logic to conclude that, since Hamas was responsible for the launchings prior to the cease fire, Hams is still responsible after the cease fire went into effect.

Not really...
I'm suggesting that since the volume SEEMS low...it MIGHT be rogue individuals acting of their own accord.
I'm trying not to jump to both conclusions that a) they did it ro b) they did not. Clearly SOMEONE is...but whether that someone is the entire organization, or a person who will always have a bone to pick is the question. I'm not trying to rationalize for them - and perhaps you should realize that I actively criticize the Arab...
if its them - dumb asses and there is a reason peace won't come easily.
But you've clearly established your position - and if it turns out these are not organized efforts through their hierarchy it will be much harder for you to deal with it because you already seem so sure.

I will say clearly though that BOTH sides want peace....and these actions wehther they be Hamas or rogue individual hurt that process...and that is osmething I WILL stand by