Change Yes, Ron Paul No

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Well, it seems to me that the people who say that are more interested in shaking up the establishment and getting it out of its current cycle of corruption then they are with any particular policy goals. I don't think there is necessarily anything wrong with that.

Like you, I believe their main goal is to "shake up the establishment," regardless of the policies they're shouting loud' and proudly about today. After all, young people have been doing that for decades!

I read a good blog post today though which I think was spot on... if Obama does manage somehow to win the nomination I'll be interested to watch a bunch of people on the right who say that Obama is okay right now turn on him like rabid dogs.

I've personally been accused of planning to do the same, but I won't. For me, if it comes down to a semi-decent election between Obama and Huck, or Obama and McCain, then everything will depend upon the 1-on-1 debates, and the consistency in character of each candidate. At this point, Obama is the only real human being I see in the entire field... but we'll have to wait and see if he keeps his composure and integrity throughout the year before I commit 100% next November.

If far-right fanatics believe that type of 180 degree turn is a good strategy, I think they're underestimating his charisma and genuine support...

 

[miketheidiot]

you can't say that people are voting for ron paul when most people don't even know how he is. He isn't exactly a national celebrity like McCain or 9/11

 

[ebaycj]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
The phenomenon I'm most interested in is when RP fanatics say things like "Well, if RP doesnt get the nom, I'll probably vote for Obama."

Do they have any clue just how ideologically opposed these two candidates are!?! It boggles my mind how one could go from one to the other so easily!

in fact, I thought about making a thread on that very subject...

They are indeed idealogically opposed. However, Obama is by far the most honest / least corrupt candidate out of the rest of the field (both sides included). I think that quality is what RP fans see when they look at Obama, and is why they would default to him if RP doesn't get the nod.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: ebaycj

Originally posted by: palehorse74
The phenomenon I'm most interested in is when RP fanatics say things like "Well, if RP doesnt get the nom, I'll probably vote for Obama."

Do they have any clue just how ideologically opposed these two candidates are!?! It boggles my mind how one could go from one to the other so easily!

in fact, I thought about making a thread on that very subject...

They are indeed idealogically opposed. However, Obama is by far the most honest / least corrupt candidate out of the rest of the field (both sides included). I think that quality is what RP fans see when they look at Obama, and is why they would default to him if RP doesn't get the nod.

Exactly!! Real good point!!!

 

[daveymark]

why isn't this junk thread locked yet?

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
It would be nice if there was a better candidate to hold the ideals of liberty, but there isn?t. As for Americans, they don?t want liberty, they want power over each other and the federal government is the means to an end.

I can't think of a worse defender of liberty than an intellectually dishonest creationist.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Looks like the OP is an osama supporter and is doing his best to discredit paul.

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...129915&highlight_key=y

 

[dualsmp]

Originally posted by: daveymark
why isn't this junk thread locked yet?

I was wondering the same thing. The OP added ZERO of his own input or commentary. Sorry but that's the rules newb.

 

[MadRat]

Iowa meant nothing on the scheme of things in the presidential race. Its not even an election in a true sense, more of a bastardized bully pulpit.

Quite frankly, the idea that someone with a national media services background would publish an article like this means Ron Paul is kicking some ass. Otherwise irrelevance is nothing more than silence.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
That's because Americanas don't actually want change. If they did, they'd vote for somebody willing to take a big risk but as a whole they are fearful and not willing to take risks, so they embrace the status quo with only mild changes in their tolerable risk zone.

No apparently Americans do want change. Its just in the opposite direction of Ron Pauls message of change.

Americans want more govt services not less.

When polled

Americans overwhelmingly want universial healthcare. They want the Federal Govt involved in Education, though not with NCLB. Etc

 

[Lemon law]

In terms of---why isn't this junk thread locked yet?

I ask why its a junk thread?

Legitimate questions are being raised and asked and IMO, that is the main criteria of the quality of a thread.

And why do we see an idea as such a threat and single simplemindedly try to kill message and messenger when ideas can be modified without losing their validity and hence become the parts of other platforms and messages.

Its the same fallacy as you are either totally with me or against me thats implies no compromise is ever possible.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: MadRat
Iowa meant nothing on the scheme of things in the presidential race. Its not even an election in a true sense, more of a bastardized bully pulpit.

Quite frankly, the idea that someone with a national media services background would publish an article like this means Ron Paul is kicking some ass. Otherwise irrelevance is nothing more than silence.

Hes kicking Duncan Hunters ass. Although, Hunter was #3 in Wyoming behind Romney and Thompson.

 

[dualsmp]

Moderator please lock. There is zero commentary from the OP. Thank you for locking his other delusional spam.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
In terms of---why isn't this junk thread locked yet?

I ask why its a junk thread?

Legitimate questions are being raised and asked and IMO, that is the main criteria of the quality of a thread.

And why do we see an idea as such a threat and single simplemindedly try to kill message and messenger when ideas can be modified without losing their validity and hence become the parts of other platforms and messages.

Its the same fallacy as you are either totally with me or against me thats implies no compromise is ever possible.

Lemon, it's the same kind of spam he already had one thread locked for...with zero personal comments. If for NO other reason, the thread needs to be locked.

 

[brxndxn]

I don't care what the media tells me what other Americans want. I care what I think other Americans want.. and I especially care about what I want. I want Ron Paul to be our next President. And, I want the entire government to start moving towards his policies.

 

[daveymark]

Originally posted by: dualsmp

Originally posted by: daveymark
why isn't this junk thread locked yet?

I was wondering the same thing. The OP added ZERO of his own input or commentary. Sorry but that's the rules newb.

not really sure what's going on. mods must be sleeping.

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: brxndxn
I don't care what the media tells me what other Americans want. I care what I think other Americans want.. and I especially care about what I want. I want Ron Paul to be our next President. And, I want the entire government to start moving towards his policies.

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Whats the old song---You can't always get what you want You can't always get what you want.

I forget what the next words are---I'm lousy at songs and jingles. We won't get change unless we come together and agree.

 

[First]

Paul set out to finish 3rd and missed it by 1.2%. Not much of a failure really. Article is based entirely on that 1.2% difference, which just shows a sort of transparent desperation on the part of the author. And Dean was a serious candidate flush with money, but he didn't exactly go places either. Whole premise of the article reeks of hackery.

 

[ranmaniac]

I want Ron Paul to win the nomination, but I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't get it because of the opposition he has from the establishment in his own party. I'm more concerned that Hillary doesn't win the nomination or become president, because then we're truly living in a dynasty of Bush-Clinton, and the hope for change goes further down the drain.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: dualsmp

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: dualsmp
Is the OP some kind of Fox news establishment shill? Dissing Ron Paul with your crap 2 posts? You bore me.

Obvoiously a Ron whats his name zealot...attacking the OP because he cannot attack the message.....or cannot comprehend or even read the message!!

why attack the OP.....add some substance to your posts!
Anybody can call what the OP posted as crap without reading it!!

things that make you go hmmm...

You can't even fathom how precious Ron Paul is to this country. Why don't you stab yourself with a light saber or something and do us a favor.

pathetic.......I can`t wait to see what spin you Ron whats his name zealots put on him dropping out of the race....lets see....blame it on the CIA...maybe the FBI.....sad

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: palehorse74
The phenomenon I'm most interested in is when RP fanatics say things like "Well, if RP doesnt get the nom, I'll probably vote for Obama."

Do they have any clue just how ideologically opposed these two candidates are!?! It boggles my mind how one could go from one to the other so easily!

in fact, I thought about making a thread on that very subject...

Well, it seems to me that the people who say that are more interested in shaking up the establishment and getting it out of its current cycle of corruption then they are with any particular policy goals. I don't think there is necessarily anything wrong with that.

I read a good blog post today though which I think was spot on... if Obama does manage somehow to win the nomination I'll be interested to watch a bunch of people on the right who say that Obama is okay right now turn on him like rabid dogs.

I am one of those RP supporters that will vote for Obama if RP doesn't get the nomination and I was about to respond to Palehorse with the exact same thing that you just said....:thumbsup:

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Pabster
Agree with Joel's opinion 100% :thumbsup:

Paul is about as much of a "change" agent as Hillary Clinton.

His supporters learned a tough lesson in Iowa. You can't spam a caucus, and voting is not done via the internet. :laugh:

Well thats a pretty stupid thing to say.