changing mobo's without reformatting?

dionx

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i'm getting my Asus A7N8X deluxe tomorrow. currently mysetup has the Asus A7M266, which is a hybird of AMD 760 and VIA chipset. i don't have time to reformat and reinstall until later this week, but i would like to get the new motherboard up and running because i'm lacking some sound for my speakers. so what should i do before i remove the old motherboard? and will everything just boot and work with the new mobo with the exception of the devices i need to install for?

 

magomago

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You could try, but you might get a bunch of errors and then be forced to reformat which is what you would hav initailly done in the first place.

I'd backup just in case
 

Kalvin00

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It wouldn't be an easy process. I saw an Anandtech article somewhere. Searching for it now...will post when I find it
 

RobCur

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i've done it dozen of time and have no problem whatsoever unless the os itself is corrupted that i need to format/reinstall.
 

IdahoB

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I've had mixed results with different OS. If you're running NT, 9x or ME, don't try it. With 2000 or XP you should be fine though.
 

Johneverd

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I would burn off all of your important data to CDR first no matter what you do (or store it to a second hard drive). Then just go for it. When I test motherboards I can usually install 3-4 different boards before Windows gets so messed up that it blue screens. Just make sure to reformat when you get the chance to ensure solid performance.
 

Slowlearner

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Having switched mbs three times in the past month, all on Win98SE, I found that you need to do a re-install. Gather ye all your drivers/utilities, switch hardware, stick the CD in and boot up and reinstall over riding setup program's objections.

Once up and running, fine tune, install all the 1000 patches from Redmond.
 

tcsenter

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Having switched mbs three times in the past month, all on Win98SE, I found that you need to do a re-install. Gather ye all your drivers/utilities, switch hardware, stick the CD in and boot up and reinstall over riding setup program's objections.
If you're swapping within the same chipset manufacturer, e.g. from a VIA 694x to a VIA KT400, its not a problem. Just load the VIA 4-in-1 which has support for the later chipset and you have all the support you need. Swapping across platforms or manufacturers can have pitfalls; e.g. from a VIA 694x to an Intel 845PE.

I've dony many many motherboard swaps without re-installing the OS, primarily on Win98/SE and ME. The trick is that you have to remove all non-essential cards, peripherals, and their drivers, then reinstall them after the swap and the OS has detected/installed the new mobo/chipset drivers. I start by removing all sound cards, modems, NICs, printers, scanners, etc. and their drivers, leaving only the video card, which I change to 'Standard VGA adapter' before swapping. The last thing I do before swapping is to delete PCI BUS from Device Manager so that all hardware must be redetected. Then I shut down and do the swap.

Once the OS has redetected and installed all the essential devices, after installing the new chipset drivers if needed, I begin installing the other cards/peripherals one at a time with their assocated drivers. Works 95% of the time without an OS reinstall.
 

IdahoB

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This system can work quite well, though I also recommed doing your first boot with the new board in safe mode if running 9x/ME. Then you can go into the device manager and remove all the unneeded drivers that it hides from you in a normal boot. Although this is still a little risky, and an OS reinstall is prefered. And for God's sake backup!
 

Confused

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I've done it with 2k Server, and XP.


All you need is one little program, which Microsoft provide.


It's called Sysprep


Basically, what it does, is remove all hardware relations to the OS, and all the CD-Key and computer name etc, but leaves all programs, settings etc intact. All you have to do is run it, it will shut the computer down, you swap the hardware, boot it up, it'll detect the new hardware, ask you to enter CD Key, and computer name/admin password, and from then on, it is exactly how you left it.

I just did this yesterday on swapping my PC Chips 810 plus Duron 850 for a K7S5A with XP1800, running Windows 2000 Server, and no probs for me. I also did it on my XP installation, which was running on the K7S5A, and will be, tomorrow, running on an 8RDA+


Disclaimer: Just because it worked for me, doesn't mean it will work for you. I am not held responsible if you in some way screw it up, although it's pretty simple and shouldn't mess up, but I suggest always backing up your data before trying it



Confused
 

Killrose

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I've done it several times with no problems. You have to remove devices and drivers (NIC's, Sound cards, modems, any PCI devices) one at a time, re-booting each time so the registry can make changes accordingly. The last things I remove before last shut-down and power off to replace the motherboard is the USB Controllers and the Hard disk Controllers. Do this from Device Manager.

Like alway's, i'm sure there is a better way, but this has worked for me.
 

IQJUMPuw

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Hmmm...

I used to think reformatting was uneccesary, so I swapped a motherboard on my friend's computer without formatting. I didn't notice anything wrong with it until few days later, it would randomly restart or crash. It was from a GA-7VRX (KT333) to MSI KT400. He had Win 2K Pro. So I think formatting would be a good idea.
 

Rootaah

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Originally posted by: Confused
I've done it with 2k Server, and XP.


All you need is one little program, which Microsoft provide.


It's called Sysprep

Boy I've tried this NUMEROUS times with different mainboards and it never worked for me. What sysprep switches are you using, if any? Even using the -PNP still caused my image to blow up on the different system when I tried to boot it.

The mass?storage controllers (IDE or SCSI) must be identical between the reference and destination computers.

That's right from Microsost's XP Sysprep 2.0 requirements.

How to Prepare Images For Disk Duplication With Sysprep


Hmm..interesting stuff.


Rootaah
 

tcsenter

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Boy I've tried this NUMEROUS times with different mainboards and it never worked for me. What sysprep switches are you using, if any? Even using the -PNP still caused my image to blow up on the different system when I tried to boot it.

The mass?storage controllers (IDE or SCSI) must be identical between the reference and destination computers.
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CONTENTS
========

1. INTRODUCTION

2. UPGRADING FROM PREVIOUS VERSIONS OF THE TOOLS

3. AVAILABILITY OF WINDOWS PE

4. KNOWN ISSUES

5. DOCUMENTATION CORRECTIONS

---------------

1. INTRODUCTION
---------------

This document provides current information about the tools included
in the Deploy.cab for Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 1 (SP1) and
the Windows .NET Server 2003 family.

NOTE: The Setup Manager tool (Setupmgr.exe) contained in Deploy.cab
is intended for use only by corporate administrators. If you are
a system builder, install the tools and documentation contained on
the OEM Preinstallation Kit (OPK) CD. An OPK CD is contained in every
multi-pack of Windows distributed by an OEM distributor to original
computer manufacturers, assemblers, reassemblers, and/or software
preinstallers of computer hardware under the Microsoft OEM System
Builder License Agreement.

Setup Manager no longer contains context-sensitive help. For more
information about the individual pages in Setup Manager, see the
topic "Setup Manager Settings" in the Microsoft Windows Corporate
Deployment Tools User's Guide (Deploy.chm).

------------------------------------------------

2. UPGRADING FROM PREVIOUS VERSIONS OF THE TOOLS
------------------------------------------------

You can use either the Windows XP SP1 corporate deployment tools or
the Windows .NET Server 2003 corporate deployment tools to deploy the
following versions of Windows:

* Original "gold" release of Windows XP
* Windows XP SP1
* Windows .NET Server 2003 family

Do not use the original "gold" release of the Windows XP corporate
deployment tools to deploy Windows XP SP1 or the Windows .NET Server
2003 family.

----------------------------

3. AVAILABILITY OF WINDOWS PE
----------------------------

Windows Preinstallation Environment (Windows PE, also known as WinPE)
is licensed to original equipment manufacturers (OEMs) for use in
preinstalling Windows onto new computers. The WinPE for Corporations
toolkit is available for enterprise customers. For more information,
contact your account manager.

---------------

4. KNOWN ISSUES
---------------

This is a list of known issues for the Windows XP SP 1 deployment
tools:

* If you preinstall the Multi-Language User Interface (MUI) Pack
during Sysprep in Factory mode (Sysprep -factory) and then restart
the computer into Mini-Setup, the user interface throughout
Mini-Setup is clipped. However, this does not occur if the default
user interface for MUI is set to English (ENG).

Workaround: Set the default user interface for MUI to English.

* The recommended location for your master installation is on
drive C or a network share.

The location of the Windows installation is hard-coded by Windows
Setup. Sysprep does not modify these settings or allow you to safely
move an image from one drive letter to another.

If you want to deploy an image of a Windows installation to a
different drive, you must create the original Windows installation
on a disk that uses that drive letter. When you deploy that image,
you must ensure that Mount Manager uses that same drive letter
for %SYSTEMDRIVE%. For example, if you want to deploy the image
to drive D, ensure that Mount Manager enumerates one logical drive
before the drive where you plan to deploy the image.

* When the Sysprep.inf file is used as an answer file by Mini-Setup,
the Sysprep.inf file can be located on a floppy disk that you insert
into the disk drive before starting the computer and running
Mini-Setup. However, if the manufacturer or model of the destination
computer is different from the manufacturer or model of the master
computer, the Sysprep.inf file is not read from the floppy disk
during Mini-Setup.

Cause: To maintain unique disks and controllers on the system bus,
Plug and Play adds a value to the Plug and Play ID, for example:

FDC\Generic_Floppy_Drive\5&22768F6A&0&0

If you use a destination computer with hardware that is different
from the hardware on the master computer, the bus is different,
and a new number is assigned. Plug and Play recognizes this hardware
as a new drive and must install the driver before it can be used.
However, the installation does not occur quickly enough, and the
drive is not accessible by the time Setup checks the drive for the
Sysprep.inf file.

Workaround: Complete the following procedure on the master computer
before running Sysprep:

1. Locate and click the following registry subkey:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\CoDeviceInstallers

2. Add the following entries and values to this subkey:

Entry: {4D36E969-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}
Type: Reg_Multi_Sz
Value: Syssetup.Dll,CriticalDeviceCoInstaller

Entry: {4D36E980-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}
Type: Reg_Multi_Sz
Value: SysSetup.Dll,StorageCoInstaller
SysSetup.Dll,CriticalDeviceCoInstaller

3. Open Sysprep.inf and add the following text to the
[SysprepMassStorage] section:

*PNP0701 = "%WINDIR%\inf\flpydisk.inf"
*PNP0702 = "%WINDIR%\inf\flpydisk.inf"
*PNP0703 = "%WINDIR%\inf\flpydisk.inf"
*PNP0704 = "%WINDIR%\inf\flpydisk.inf"
GenFloppyDisk = "%WINDIR%\inf\flpydisk.inf"
*PNP0700 = "%WINDIR%\inf\fdc.inf"

where %WINDIR% is the folder on the destination computer where you
installed Windows.

4. Run Sysprep on the computer.

* Use Winbom.ini only to modify the Windows installation when
you run Sysprep -factory. Do not manually modify the Windows
installation during Sysprep in Factory mode. If you want to modify
the Windows installation manually, use the command Sysprep -audit
instead.

----------------------------

5. DOCUMENTATION CORRECTIONS
----------------------------

* The topic "Setup Manager Settings" in the Microsoft Windows
Corporate Deployment Tools User's Guide does not include the
following information:

Setup Manager saves settings from the Distribution Share
Location page to the following location:

Unattend.txt
DistShare =
DistFolder =

* The topic "Using Sysprep" in the Microsoft Windows Corporate
Deployment Tools User's Guide does not include the sentence:

When you run Sysprep.exe, the Sysprep.inf file is copied
to %WINDIR%\System32\$winnt$.inf.

* The topic "Using Sysprep" in the Microsoft Windows Corporate
Deployment Tools User's Guide does not include the paragraph:

You can specify static IP addesses in the Sysprep.inf file.
When the destination computer starts, the network interface
card (NIC) information is removed, but Plug and Play
reinstalls the NIC. Mini-Setup reads the static IP address
information in Sysprep.inf and sets the static IP address
in the destination computer.

* The topic "Preparing Images for Disk Duplication" in the
Microsoft Windows Corporate Deployment Tools User's Guide states:

The mass-storage controllers (IDE or SCSI) must be identical
between the reference and destination computers.


If you want to create one master image to install Windows on
destination computers that may use different mass-storage controllers,
then you want that image to include all mass-storage devices
identified in Machine.inf, Scsi.inf, Pnpscsi.inf, and Mshdc.inf.
To do this, include the following in your Sysprep.inf file:

[Sysprep]
BuildMassStorageSection = Yes

[SysprepMassStorage]

For more information, see the topic "Reducing the Number of Master
Images for Computers with Different Mass-Storage Controllers" in
the Microsoft Windows Corporate Deployment Tools User's Guide.

* In several places, the Microsoft Windows Corporate Deployment Tools
User's Guide states that Sysprep.inf can be located on a floppy disk.
However, a Sysprep.inf file located on a floppy disk can only be used
as an answer file for Mini-Setup. Sysprep itself does not use a
Sysprep.inf file located on a floppy disk.

Plug and Play does not run until after Mini-Setup locates the
Sysprep.inf file. If the floppy device does not use an in-box driver
and the Sysprep.inf file is located on a floppy disk, then Mini-Setup
will not detect the Sysprep.inf file.

The recommended location for the Sysprep.inf file is the C:\Sysprep
folder on the hard disk of the destination computer.

* The information in the topic "Using the Registry to Control
Sysprep in Factory Mode" in the Microsoft Windows Corporate
Deployment Tools User's Guide is incorrect. Do not use the registry
to control Sysprep.

* The topic "Preinstalling Applications" in the Microsoft Windows
Corporate Deployment Tools User's Guide does not include the
following information:

If you add any applications to the Owner profile (in
Windows XP Home Edition) or the Administrator profile
(in other versions of Windows), Windows Welcome or Mini-Setup
copies these applications to the default user profile so that
the applications are available when the end user logs on.
If you want to install applications to individual user
accounts, you must install these applications after Windows
Welcome or Mini-Setup is finished, or install them by using
a user account other than Owner or Administrator.

* The topic "Preinstalling Applications Using Legacy Techniques"
in the Microsoft Windows Corporate Deployment Tools User's Guide does
not specify that the commands listed in [GUIRunOnce] and Cmdlines.txt
are synchronous. Each command finishes before the next command starts.

* The topic "Using Signed Drivers" in the Microsoft Windows Corporate
Deployment Tools User's Guide does not discuss how to install
unsigned drivers. To install unsigned drivers during Sysprep,
include the following lines in the Sysprep.inf file:

[Unattended]
UpdateInstalledDrivers = Yes

Only install unsigned drivers while testing your deployment tools and
processes. Do not install unsigned drivers in any computers that you
distribute to end users.

* Your master installation must be located on the C drive or a
network share.

* Throughout the corporate deployment tools documentation, the
Windows Preinstallation Environment is called "WinPE". The more
proper abbreviation is "Windows PE".
 
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