Chavez claims Colombian incursion

Atreus21

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http://www.breitbart.com/artic...e3d.861&show_article=1

Chavez claims Colombian troops entered Venezuela

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez on Sunday charged that Colombian troops had entered Venezuela across the Orinoco River, a move he warned was a "provocation" by his Colombian counterpart Alvaro Uribe.

"We are not talking about a patrol with a few soldiers that strayed over a border" into Venezuela, he said.

"These troops crossed the Orinoco River in a boat and carried out an incursion into Venezuelan territory," Chavez said on his weekly television show "Hello President."


"When our troops got there (the Colombian troops) had already gone away," said Chavez, a leftist populist who has very strained ties with the conservative Uribe, the United States' closest regional ally.

Venezuela, along with many other Latin American nations, is incensed at a new agreement allowing the United States to use seven Colombian military bases.

"The Yankees are starting to command the Colombian Armed Forces; they are the ones who are in charge, who are in charge of these provocations, who make up huge lies," Chavez added.

He also suggested preferential pricing for Venezuelan oil and oil derivatives may be on the way out for Colombia. "The supply should stop, they can buy it at the market price. Why should we be favoring Uribe's government that way?" Chavez asked.

http://www.breitbart.com/artic...9VNB2O1&show_article=1

Chavez urges military to be prepared for conflict

Aug 9 09:19 PM US/Eastern
By CHRISTOPHER TOOTHAKER
Associated Press Writer

CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) - President Hugo Chavez told his military on Sunday to be prepared for a possible confrontation with Colombia, warning that Bogota's plans to increase the U.S. military presence at its bases poses a threat to Venezuela.

Chavez has issued near daily warnings that Washington could use bases in Colombia to destabilize the region since learning of negotiations to lease seven Colombian military bases to the United States.


"The threat against us is growing," Chavez said. "I call on the people and the armed forces, let's go, ready for combat!"

The former paratroop commander said Colombian soldiers were recently spotted crossing the porous 1,400-mile (2,300-kilometer) border that separates the two countries and suggested that Colombia may have been trying to provoke Venezuela's military.

"They crossed the Orinoco River in a boat and entered Venezuelan territory," Chavez said. "When our troops arrived, they'd already left."

Chavez said Venezuela's foreign ministry would file a formal complaint and warned Colombia that "Venezuela's military will respond if there's an attack against Venezuela."

Chavez said he would attend this week's summit of the Union of South American Nations in Quito, Ecuador, to urge his Latin American allies to pressure Colombian President Alvaro Uribe to reconsider plans to increase the U.S. military presence.

"We cannot ignore this threat," Chavez said during his weekly radio and television program, "Hello President."

Chavez also halted shipments of subsidized fuel to Colombia, saying Venezuela should not be sending cheap gasoline to an antagonistic neighbor.

"Let them buy it at the real price. How are we going to favor Uribe's government in this manner?" he said.

Colombian officials say Venezuela has no reason to be concerned, and that the U.S. forces would help fight drug trafficking. The proposed 10-year agreement, they claim, would not push the number of American troops and civilian military contractors beyond 1,400?the maximum currently permitted by U.S. law.

Tensions between the neighboring South American nations also have been heightened over Colombia's disclosure that three Swedish-made anti-tank weapons found at a rebel camp last year had been purchased by Venezuela's military.

Chavez has accused Colombia of acting irresponsibly in its accusation that the anti-tank rocket launchers sold to Venezuela in 1988 were obtained by the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, or FARC. Sweden confirmed the weapons were originally sold to Venezuela's military.

Chavez denies aiding the FARC. He claims the United States is using Colombia as part of a broader plan to portray him as a supporter of terrorist groups to provide justification for U.S. military intervention in Venezuela.

Chavez said Sunday that diplomatic relations with Uribe's government "remain frozen" even though he ordered Venezuela's ambassador to return to Colombia more than a week after he was recalled.

Opinions?

I don't trust Chavez as far as I can spit. Do we have any other reports of a Colombian incursion? Anything at all to suggest he might not be completely making this up? Does anyone put it past Chavez to try something like this given his prior antics?
 

JS80

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Originally posted by: Atreus21
"The Yankees are starting to command the Colombian Armed Forces; they are the ones who are in charge, who are in charge of these provocations, who make up huge lies," Chavez added.

WTF did when does Steinbrenner control a foreign country's military? I don't even think he has a Colombian player on his payroll.
 

OCGuy

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The only good that would come out of him being a warmonger is a well placed cruise missile. I would not put it past him to start wars against any non-Leftist governments in SA.
 

CrackRabbit

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Originally posted by: OCguy
The only good that would come out of him being a warmonger is a well placed cruise missile. I would not put it past him to start wars against any non-Leftist governments in SA.

Attempting to invade Columbia would be about the stupidest thing he could do.
It would be like the first Gulf War all over again.
 

Genx87

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If he is preparing for war that means his power is running thin and he need something to unify the country behind him.
 

JS80

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Originally posted by: Genx87
If he is preparing for war that means his power is running thin and he need something to unify the country behind him.

And he can do that now that Bush is out of office. He feels emboldened by what NK and Iran did, he prob thinks he can get away with this too.
 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: CrackRabbit
Originally posted by: OCguy
The only good that would come out of him being a warmonger is a well placed cruise missile. I would not put it past him to start wars against any non-Leftist governments in SA.

Attempting to invade Columbia would be about the stupidest thing he could do.
It would be like the first Gulf War all over again.

You think Obama is going to commit a large number of US troops to bail out Columbia? I doubt it.
 

CrackRabbit

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Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: CrackRabbit
Originally posted by: OCguy
The only good that would come out of him being a warmonger is a well placed cruise missile. I would not put it past him to start wars against any non-Leftist governments in SA.

Attempting to invade Columbia would be about the stupidest thing he could do.
It would be like the first Gulf War all over again.

You think Obama is going to commit a large number of US troops to bail out Columbia? I doubt it.

Nope, but like you said all it would take is a well placed cruise missile. Or a few of them.
Venezuela is a paper tiger, all you need to get rid of them is a couple of matches.
 

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Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: CrackRabbit
Originally posted by: OCguy
The only good that would come out of him being a warmonger is a well placed cruise missile. I would not put it past him to start wars against any non-Leftist governments in SA.

Attempting to invade Columbia would be about the stupidest thing he could do.
It would be like the first Gulf War all over again.

You think Obama is going to commit a large number of US troops to bail out Columbia? I doubt it.

Air and naval support would probably be sufficient. Suppress the Venezuelan air force and cut off the lines of supply for their invasion. The Colombians should be able to handle the rest.

99% chance this is just more bluster out of South America's loudest wannabe dictator.
 

IndyColtsFan

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Originally posted by: K1052

99% chance this is just more bluster out of South America's loudest wannabe dictator.

Fear not, I am sure Craig234 will arrive at any moment to speak about what surely is a "small misunderstanding."
 

Deeko

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Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: Genx87
If he is preparing for war that means his power is running thin and he need something to unify the country behind him.

And he can do that now that Bush is out of office. He feels emboldened by what NK and Iran did, he prob thinks he can get away with this too.

wow, that's cute.
 

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Maybe the U.S. should get out of Colombia and quit messing with the dictator. We have spent billions in Colombia and gotten very little results. Time to pull out.
 

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Originally posted by: marincounty
Maybe the U.S. should get out of Colombia and quit messing with the dictator. We have spent billions in Colombia and gotten very little results. Time to pull out.

Who is "messing" with who?
 

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Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: marincounty
Maybe the U.S. should get out of Colombia and quit messing with the dictator. We have spent billions in Colombia and gotten very little results. Time to pull out.

Who is "messing" with who?

quote: "Venezuela, along with many other Latin American nations, is incensed at a new agreement allowing the United States to use seven Colombian military bases. "

Would you like it if Mexico allowed Venezuela to use seven military bases in Mexico?
 

TechBoyJK

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Originally posted by: marincounty
Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: marincounty
Maybe the U.S. should get out of Colombia and quit messing with the dictator. We have spent billions in Colombia and gotten very little results. Time to pull out.

Who is "messing" with who?

quote: "Venezuela, along with many other Latin American nations, is incensed at a new agreement allowing the United States to use seven Colombian military bases. "

Would you like it if Mexico allowed Venezuela to use seven military bases in Mexico?

Mexico wouldn't do that.

 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: marincounty
Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: marincounty
Maybe the U.S. should get out of Colombia and quit messing with the dictator. We have spent billions in Colombia and gotten very little results. Time to pull out.

Who is "messing" with who?

quote: "Venezuela, along with many other Latin American nations, is incensed at a new agreement allowing the United States to use seven Colombian military bases. "

Would you like it if Mexico allowed Venezuela to use seven military bases in Mexico?


Who cares if I would like it? Columbia is a sovereign nation and can have defense pacts with whoever they choose.

Cuba lets Russians on its soil.
 

marincounty

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Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: marincounty
Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: marincounty
Maybe the U.S. should get out of Colombia and quit messing with the dictator. We have spent billions in Colombia and gotten very little results. Time to pull out.

Who is "messing" with who?

quote: "Venezuela, along with many other Latin American nations, is incensed at a new agreement allowing the United States to use seven Colombian military bases. "

Would you like it if Mexico allowed Venezuela to use seven military bases in Mexico?


Who cares if I would like it? Columbia is a sovereign nation and can have defense pacts with whoever they choose.

Cuba lets Russians on its soil.

Answer: You would be screaming like a bitch if Mexico let Venezuela use bases there.
The commies are coming.
 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: marincounty

Answer: You would be screaming like a bitch if Mexico let Venezuela use bases there.
The commies are coming.

Really? I would be screaming because an inferior military has troops near us? How would this be something new?
 

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Saber rattling by this douche bag has more to do with him trying to use such endeavors to re-gain support among the "masses" and to mask more power grabbing maneuvers to isolate and eliminate those who would dare challenge him Venezuela. Venezuela itself does not have the ability to invade and hold territory in Colombia. Yet as every leftist dictator knows they need a scape goat in order to keep people from growing wise to their political shenanigans of smoke and mirrors. Hopefully Chavez will one day end up like all dictators should end up in life and that is swinging off a lamp post by a noose.
 

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Chavez needed a new boogeyman and he has a convenient one living next door. Whether you agree with our relationship with Colombia or not, this isn't about Colombia. It is about Chavez drumming up support at home based on perceived grievances. Nothing new here. I swear, Chavez is just about as bad with his sabre-rattling as NK is. The only difference being that Chavez hasn't been at it long enough to piss off enough countries. The best thing we can do here is ignore him and let him throw his little tantrum. Speak softly - i.e. let Chavez know we are ignoring him and not taking his rantings seriously. When he finally does something stupid (like invade Colombia for instance) then whip out the big stick and see how he measures up.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: marincounty
Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: marincounty
Maybe the U.S. should get out of Colombia and quit messing with the dictator. We have spent billions in Colombia and gotten very little results. Time to pull out.

Who is "messing" with who?

quote: "Venezuela, along with many other Latin American nations, is incensed at a new agreement allowing the United States to use seven Colombian military bases. "

Would you like it if Mexico allowed Venezuela to use seven military bases in Mexico?

Why would I give a shit what Mexico does?
 

Colt45

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Originally posted by: marincounty
Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: marincounty
Maybe the U.S. should get out of Colombia and quit messing with the dictator. We have spent billions in Colombia and gotten very little results. Time to pull out.

Who is "messing" with who?

quote: "Venezuela, along with many other Latin American nations, is incensed at a new agreement allowing the United States to use seven Colombian military bases. "

Would you like it if Mexico allowed ( Russia | China ) to use seven military bases in Mexico?

fixed
 

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Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: CrackRabbit
Originally posted by: OCguy
The only good that would come out of him being a warmonger is a well placed cruise missile. I would not put it past him to start wars against any non-Leftist governments in SA.

Attempting to invade Columbia would be about the stupidest thing he could do.
It would be like the first Gulf War all over again.

You think Obama is going to commit a large number of US troops to bail out Columbia? I doubt it.

But that doesn't leave out the chance of a nice air raid bombing sorties.
 
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