check out my water block!

[grkM3]

Guys I have 2 huge radiators and a water block with a 300watt peltier on it in the loop.

Im sure I could get an ivy to break 5.5 for benching and I'll prolly pick one up to mess with.the first thing I'll do is pop the heat spreader off and slap this water block on it.

 

[Puppies04]

You implied that you couldn't scale clock speed up on IB CPUs no matter what.

Oh really, thats what I said was it...

You can run niagara falls over an IB CPU, you will still get limited results.

Go find a dictionary and see if "limited results" means "no improvement"

As for the "way better clocks" you keep talking about, i'm using your numbers here. You proposed a 6% increase between high level water and high level air cooling. Now in my mind (and i'm sure in anyone who understands the English language) 6% is a lot better described as "limited results" than "way better".

Your entire post is once again twisting what I have said in plain English so you can try to make a point that doesn't exist and then you have the audacity to claim that i'm looking for an arguement, you are a joke.

What is so hard to understand?

You tell me.

 

[Puppies04]

Guys I have 2 huge radiators and a water block with a 300watt peltier on it in the loop.

Im sure I could get an ivy to break 5.5 for benching and I'll prolly pick one up to mess with.the first thing I'll do is pop the heat spreader off and slap this water block on it.

What temp does the water get down to?

 

[dma0991]

What temp does the water get down to?

Peltier cools CPU, water cools peltier. Heat is expelled from the water through the radiator.

 

[Don Karnage]

On air my limit is 4.6 because the voltage required for 4.7 takes my IBT temps super high. With water i could run 4.8Ghz on a daily basis and 5 Ghz to do benchmarks.

I just want to state i've tested 5 ivy bridge processors on air and water. The earlier the batch the hotter it ran. If you were to buy one today you should be able to squeeze 4.7-4.8 on air with great air cooling.

 

[lehtv]

LOL... a whopping 200MHz difference between air and water. That's worth about $10.

 

[Schmide]

LOL... a whopping 200MHz difference between air and water. That's worth about $10.

But near silence is priceless

 

[Puppies04]

Peltier cools CPU, water cools peltier. Heat is expelled from the water through the radiator.

Sorry completely misread your earlier post lol.

 

[OVerLoRDI]

http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/product/liquid/upgrade/cl-w0037/cl-w0037.asp#overview

Thanks for that. Kind of an interesting product. Too bad it is 80mm. Most good fans are 120, 80mm is a relic.

Thermaltake+water cooler=hm....

Yeah that usually isnt a good sign....

 

[OVerLoRDI]

The reality is, for ivy and even sandy (to a lesser extent) water cooling isnt that important. Yes you can squeeze out a few hundred mhz, but it isnt worth it for the cost.

Water cooling is good for:
1. Cpu cooling noise levels
2. Gpu overclocking, temps, and noise

 

[T_Yamamoto]

The reality is, for ivy and even sandy (to a lesser extent) water cooling isnt that important. Yes you can squeeze out a few hundred mhz, but it isnt worth it for the cost.

Water cooling is good for:
1. Cpu cooling noise levels
2. Gpu overclocking, temps, and noise

+1

 

[cmdrdredd]

Oh really, thats what I said was it...



Go find a dictionary and see if "limited results" means "no improvement"

As for the "way better clocks" you keep talking about, i'm using your numbers here. You proposed a 6% increase between high level water and high level air cooling. Now in my mind (and i'm sure in anyone who understands the English language) 6% is a lot better described as "limited results" than "way better".

Your entire post is once again twisting what I have said in plain English so you can try to make a point that doesn't exist and then you have the audacity to claim that i'm looking for an arguement, you are a joke.



You tell me.

Nice way to misquote. I said water was way better than air. It is, PERIOD! Why do you keep changing the subject? I'm talking about the cooling properites, custom water is better than air. Always has been and always will be. My god...what's wrong with you? I said NOTHING about percentage of increase in clock speed, in fact I never mentioned clocks it could hit. Not until Don replied with his experiences did we even get any info related to that. So I don't know what the hell you're even trying to say. The joke is you're retarded comment that ignores everything I say.

Here's facts for you...

Water is better than air.
Water can hit higher clocks because it cools the CPU better
You are limited more by the temps than the voltage
Take what the above statements say and you can infer that water will let you hit higher clocks. Genius!

 

[Puppies04]

What you said...

"You can come here and talk all you want but you still don't know what you're talking about. My CPU can go much higher than 4.6Ghz, I've had it up to 4.9. It may have even been stable if I could get the temps down. I'm sure if I did some modding (de-lid) and did a custom water loop with all the high performance stuff I could get it 24/7 at 4.9 or maybe even higher."

Nice way to misquote. I said water was way better than air. It is, PERIOD! Why do you keep changing the subject? I'm talking about the cooling properites, custom water is better than air. Always has been and always will be. My god...what's wrong with you? I said NOTHING about percentage of increase in clock speed, in fact I never mentioned clocks it could hit.

Now we have confirmed you are a liar I will not bother replying to your stupid posts.

 

[Rubycon]

That "waterblock" in the OP demonstrates a complete lack of engineering. Just as some manufacturers have installed heatsinks over the blocks on heat pipe designs.

The block should put heat into the water where it is dealt with either with radiators or a chilled water system.

Most systems have far too limited radiator capacity IMO. If the water temp is more than 5 degrees above ambient, radiator capacity is rather limited. A 1 degree or 0 degree (water temp same temp as room ambient) will achieve best results. Note that these results are basically impossible to achieve with radiators that are mounted in the same chassis unless your chassis is very large.

 

[T_Yamamoto]

That "waterblock" in the OP demonstrates a complete lack of engineering. Just as some manufacturers have installed heatsinks over the blocks on heat pipe designs.

The block should put heat into the water where it is dealt with either with radiators or a chilled water system.

Most systems have far too limited radiator capacity IMO. If the water temp is more than 5 degrees above ambient, radiator capacity is rather limited. A 1 degree or 0 degree (water temp same temp as room ambient) will achieve best results. Note that these results are basically impossible to achieve with radiators that are mounted in the same chassis unless your chassis is very large.

So what you're saying is that the watrrblock the op got is ghetto and is not very good?

 

[alyarb]

No, but there is a heat exchanger on the block. It's not a ghetto design. In fact it was probably designed with great care. The problem with it is that those fins will put heat into the chassis air.

The whole point of water cooling is to keep all the heat locked up until it can be dumped outside of the chassis. This block seems to miss that key concept.

When you go into publix, or a data center, where are the heat exchangers? They are on the roof, or in a separate building far away from the heat sources.

 

[GrumpyMan]

Guys I have 2 huge radiators and a water block with a 300watt peltier on it in the loop.

Im sure I could get an ivy to break 5.5 for benching and I'll prolly pick one up to mess with.the first thing I'll do is pop the heat spreader off and slap this water block on it.

Ok you bench it, it's finally stable, you get kudos from everyone in the community, then what are you going to do with the rig?

 

[SetiroN]

ROTFL are you freakin' serious? That thing is utter crap.

 

[grkM3]

ROTFL are you freakin' serious? That thing is utter crap.

oh really? please explain to us why its utter crap?

This block is twice as thick as normal blocks and has what 12 copper pipes going into it along with channels for water to also pass threw.Please tell me why you think its crap.

this block goes part of a kit that uses a external heat exchanger from them and is an upgraded BLOCK,you poeple need to look at this as a block with more copper to take the heat away from the cpu.

If you have ever used water cooling the first thing you do after trying it for the first time is start upgrading things and look online for the biggest copper block to put on the cpu.

this block will cool a cpu better than most after market air coolers without even running water threw it.

 

[deathBOB]

More copper =/ good performance

 

[SetiroN]

grkM3, I don't mean to be offensive, but your understanding of physics rivals a 8 years old kid. You sound like 8-years-old-me comparing my friends' lego spaceships, claiming mine's superiority because: double the pieces used to build the engines == twice the speed.

But it's actually funny to see you go at it, so please take your $120 thermaltake masterpiece and report your temperatures for the forum's entertainment.


On a sidenote...
THROUGH.

 

[Subyman]

Really, way better? What like 50% or something? Plenty of people running 6.9ghz on their water cooling setups are they, oh sry maybe you meant 20% better surely there are tons of people running 5.4 on water... whats that oh you meant less than 10% better. Your choice of words do you a disservice. IBs heat limitations are well documented as a combination of smaller more dense cores and a possible negative performance of the IHS and thermal compound compared to previous chips which was changed due to increased thermal cycling because of the denser cores (according to intel). If you want way better performance you need to go sub ambient and normal water cooling doesn't do that.

Depends on what the metric for "better" is. Obviously, it should be temperatures, not overclockability as overclockability is not directly proportional to thermals. As for thermals, yes water is 50%+ better than air in a lot of cases. My 470 went from 94C under load to 38C under load with a waterblock. Going from a tuniq tower to a waterblock on my 2500k was 62C under load to 42C under load.

Water is not only very good at lowering temps, it also lowers the delta between idle and load, which helps long term thermal stress on the components. Not to mention the reduction in noise with a properly outfitted water set up.

 

[T_Yamamoto]

More copper =/ good performance

So I can put a block on copper and I'd make my computer cooler?

 

[Don Karnage]

LOL... a whopping 200MHz difference between air and water. That's worth about $10.

Not to me

 

[grkM3]

grkM3, I don't mean to be offensive, but your understanding of physics rivals a 8 years old kid. You sound like 8-years-old-me comparing my friends' lego spaceships, claiming mine's superiority because: double the pieces used to build the engines == twice the speed.

But it's actually funny to see you go at it, so please take your $120 thermaltake masterpiece and report your temperatures for the forum's entertainment.


On a sidenote...
THROUGH.

Thanks for the explanation on how this is utter crap bud.I'll let you know how well it does on my test bench with 4 pelts 3 heat exchangers and chilled water going threw it.

But please tell me how this big crap of copper won't pull better temps than the custom block I'm running now.I'm dying to hear back on your physics lessons