Cheney wants more casualties....

[bossanov]

Cheney on Fox News Sunday stated that the US needs to prove to our enemies that we will not retreat when faced with huge levels of casualties.

 

[Rainsford]

I don't quite understand this kind of talk, and not just because of the cavalier way the Vice President is talking about the deaths of US service men and women. You hear this sort of reasoning a lot, that we need to win in Iraq so we don't show weakness to our enemies. In fact, at this point this theory seems to drown out almost all other discussion. Is foreign policy REALLY just an expensive and deadly way to show everyone how big our collective dick is? Not only do I question how valuable it is to be seen this way on the international stage, but I wonder if we're really projecting the image we think we're projecting. Maybe it's just me, but the people I know who act like this look weak, not strong.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
I don't quite understand this kind of talk, and not just because of the cavalier way the Vice President is talking about the deaths of US service men and women. You hear this sort of reasoning a lot, that we need to win in Iraq so we don't show weakness to our enemies. In fact, at this point this theory seems to drown out almost all other discussion. Is foreign policy REALLY just an expensive and deadly way to show everyone how big our collective dick is? Not only do I question how valuable it is to be seen this way on the international stage, but I wonder if we're really projecting the image we think we're projecting. Maybe it's just me, but the people I know who act like this look weak, not strong.

Numerous Islamic websites with interviews with terrorists have shown repeatedly that they will keep fighting because the US eventually looses its stomach for war. When this happens they retreat and leave the country to them. The insurgency knows they cannot beat the US, it will never happen. The thing is that they do not have too, they just need to make the people back home disgusted with the war to win.

You can ignore the interviews until I find them again. I use to have them saved, but I can't find the links right now. I am sure others here have seen them though.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
I don't quite understand this kind of talk, and not just because of the cavalier way the Vice President is talking about the deaths of US service men and women. You hear this sort of reasoning a lot, that we need to win in Iraq so we don't show weakness to our enemies. In fact, at this point this theory seems to drown out almost all other discussion. Is foreign policy REALLY just an expensive and deadly way to show everyone how big our collective dick is? Not only do I question how valuable it is to be seen this way on the international stage, but I wonder if we're really projecting the image we think we're projecting. Maybe it's just me, but the people I know who act like this look weak, not strong.

Not really "weak", IMO, just stupid. War is used to solve a problem, if it isn't solving a problem then it has become pointless. Cheney and others holding that same opinion seem to think that by not giving up everyone who thinks of attacking the US will not do it because of some show of Resolve done now, a detterent if you will. That only works in some circumstances and I suggest that anyone who is willing to die in the act of an attack, say a Suicide Bomber, doesn't really care if they die or will be killed in the process. Perhaps they might not want to die on the way to their target, thus preventing success, but I doubt they have any Fear of dying in that situation, perhaps disappointment.

Taking the emphasis off Al Queda and putting it on Iraq was the biggest boost to the "Enemies" resolve. It provided them the ability to fight another day and to distract the US from acheiving the ultimate goal of bringing the 9/11 perps to Justice. Leaving Iraq does nothing for Al Queda, in fact if the US played their cards right it could mean getting back on track to capturing/eliminating Al Queda and completing the Real Mission.

The WoT is a failure because it was just a smoke screen to attack Iraq.

 

[Stunt]

He doesn't want more casualties, he wants to show the US will not be scared and they are prepared to fight for just causes.
Not the sort of talk I advocate...Cheney has always been good with shooting his mouth off

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Rainsford
I don't quite understand this kind of talk, and not just because of the cavalier way the Vice President is talking about the deaths of US service men and women. You hear this sort of reasoning a lot, that we need to win in Iraq so we don't show weakness to our enemies. In fact, at this point this theory seems to drown out almost all other discussion. Is foreign policy REALLY just an expensive and deadly way to show everyone how big our collective dick is? Not only do I question how valuable it is to be seen this way on the international stage, but I wonder if we're really projecting the image we think we're projecting. Maybe it's just me, but the people I know who act like this look weak, not strong.

Numerous Islamic websites with interviews with terrorists have shown repeatedly that they will keep fighting because the US eventually looses its stomach for war. When this happens they retreat and leave the country to them. The insurgency knows they cannot beat the US, it will never happen. The thing is that they do not have too, they just need to make the people back home disgusted with the war to win.

You can ignore the interviews until I find them again. I use to have them saved, but I can't find the links right now. I am sure others here have seen them though.

The Iraqi Insurgency is not the "Enemy". Never was prior to its' existance and still isn't.

 

[Balt]

Originally posted by: Stunt
He doesn't want more casualties, he wants to show the US will not be scared and they are prepared to fight for just causes.
Not the sort of talk I advocate...Cheney has always been good with shooting his mouth off

And shooting other people's mouths off.





Sorry, I couldn't resist.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Balt

Originally posted by: Stunt
He doesn't want more casualties, he wants to show the US will not be scared and they are prepared to fight for just causes.
Not the sort of talk I advocate...Cheney has always been good with shooting his mouth off

And shooting other people's mouths off.





Sorry, I couldn't resist.

hehe

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Rainsford
I don't quite understand this kind of talk, and not just because of the cavalier way the Vice President is talking about the deaths of US service men and women. You hear this sort of reasoning a lot, that we need to win in Iraq so we don't show weakness to our enemies. In fact, at this point this theory seems to drown out almost all other discussion. Is foreign policy REALLY just an expensive and deadly way to show everyone how big our collective dick is? Not only do I question how valuable it is to be seen this way on the international stage, but I wonder if we're really projecting the image we think we're projecting. Maybe it's just me, but the people I know who act like this look weak, not strong.

Numerous Islamic websites with interviews with terrorists have shown repeatedly that they will keep fighting because the US eventually looses its stomach for war. When this happens they retreat and leave the country to them. The insurgency knows they cannot beat the US, it will never happen. The thing is that they do not have too, they just need to make the people back home disgusted with the war to win.

You can ignore the interviews until I find them again. I use to have them saved, but I can't find the links right now. I am sure others here have seen them though.

The Iraqi Insurgency is not the "Enemy". Never was prior to its' existance and still isn't.

Of course not, they work side by side US marines to help bring peace to Iraq.

Religious extremism would be a better enemy. Including Judaism, Muslim and Christian extremism. For right now though, as a physical enemy, the insurgency is an enemy that goes after American citizens.

 

[dahunan]

We didn't have to go outside our borders to find extremists.. they occupy 1600 Penn

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Rainsford
I don't quite understand this kind of talk, and not just because of the cavalier way the Vice President is talking about the deaths of US service men and women. You hear this sort of reasoning a lot, that we need to win in Iraq so we don't show weakness to our enemies. In fact, at this point this theory seems to drown out almost all other discussion. Is foreign policy REALLY just an expensive and deadly way to show everyone how big our collective dick is? Not only do I question how valuable it is to be seen this way on the international stage, but I wonder if we're really projecting the image we think we're projecting. Maybe it's just me, but the people I know who act like this look weak, not strong.

Numerous Islamic websites with interviews with terrorists have shown repeatedly that they will keep fighting because the US eventually looses its stomach for war. When this happens they retreat and leave the country to them. The insurgency knows they cannot beat the US, it will never happen. The thing is that they do not have too, they just need to make the people back home disgusted with the war to win.

You can ignore the interviews until I find them again. I use to have them saved, but I can't find the links right now. I am sure others here have seen them though.

The Iraqi Insurgency is not the "Enemy". Never was prior to its' existance and still isn't.

Of course not, they work side by side US marines to help bring peace to Iraq.

Religious extremism would be a better enemy. Including Judaism, Muslim and Christian extremism. For right now though, as a physical enemy, the insurgency is an enemy that goes after American citizens.

They are a Self Created Enemy attacking a foreign occupation. They are of no consequence to US Territorial Security and not the reason the WoT was started. Al Queda is the Enemy.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Rainsford
I don't quite understand this kind of talk, and not just because of the cavalier way the Vice President is talking about the deaths of US service men and women. You hear this sort of reasoning a lot, that we need to win in Iraq so we don't show weakness to our enemies. In fact, at this point this theory seems to drown out almost all other discussion. Is foreign policy REALLY just an expensive and deadly way to show everyone how big our collective dick is? Not only do I question how valuable it is to be seen this way on the international stage, but I wonder if we're really projecting the image we think we're projecting. Maybe it's just me, but the people I know who act like this look weak, not strong.

Numerous Islamic websites with interviews with terrorists have shown repeatedly that they will keep fighting because the US eventually looses its stomach for war. When this happens they retreat and leave the country to them. The insurgency knows they cannot beat the US, it will never happen. The thing is that they do not have too, they just need to make the people back home disgusted with the war to win.

You can ignore the interviews until I find them again. I use to have them saved, but I can't find the links right now. I am sure others here have seen them though.

The Iraqi Insurgency is not the "Enemy". Never was prior to its' existance and still isn't.

Of course not, they work side by side US marines to help bring peace to Iraq.

Religious extremism would be a better enemy. Including Judaism, Muslim and Christian extremism. For right now though, as a physical enemy, the insurgency is an enemy that goes after American citizens.

They are a Self Created Enemy attacking a foreign occupation. They are of no consequence to US Territorial Security and not the reason the WoT was started. Al Queda is the Enemy.

Do you believe that Al Queda is not involved in any action whatsoever in Iraq?

 

[Termagant]

Say what you will about the message "cutting and running" would send around the world.... but the bumbling fashion America has undertaken the war so far has really resounded around the world as a huge sign of weakness and incompetence.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Rainsford
I don't quite understand this kind of talk, and not just because of the cavalier way the Vice President is talking about the deaths of US service men and women. You hear this sort of reasoning a lot, that we need to win in Iraq so we don't show weakness to our enemies. In fact, at this point this theory seems to drown out almost all other discussion. Is foreign policy REALLY just an expensive and deadly way to show everyone how big our collective dick is? Not only do I question how valuable it is to be seen this way on the international stage, but I wonder if we're really projecting the image we think we're projecting. Maybe it's just me, but the people I know who act like this look weak, not strong.

Numerous Islamic websites with interviews with terrorists have shown repeatedly that they will keep fighting because the US eventually looses its stomach for war. When this happens they retreat and leave the country to them. The insurgency knows they cannot beat the US, it will never happen. The thing is that they do not have too, they just need to make the people back home disgusted with the war to win.

You can ignore the interviews until I find them again. I use to have them saved, but I can't find the links right now. I am sure others here have seen them though.

The Iraqi Insurgency is not the "Enemy". Never was prior to its' existance and still isn't.

Of course not, they work side by side US marines to help bring peace to Iraq.

Religious extremism would be a better enemy. Including Judaism, Muslim and Christian extremism. For right now though, as a physical enemy, the insurgency is an enemy that goes after American citizens.

They are a Self Created Enemy attacking a foreign occupation. They are of no consequence to US Territorial Security and not the reason the WoT was started. Al Queda is the Enemy.

How do these people deny that our attack on Iraq only ADDED ENEMIES ...

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Rainsford
I don't quite understand this kind of talk, and not just because of the cavalier way the Vice President is talking about the deaths of US service men and women. You hear this sort of reasoning a lot, that we need to win in Iraq so we don't show weakness to our enemies. In fact, at this point this theory seems to drown out almost all other discussion. Is foreign policy REALLY just an expensive and deadly way to show everyone how big our collective dick is? Not only do I question how valuable it is to be seen this way on the international stage, but I wonder if we're really projecting the image we think we're projecting. Maybe it's just me, but the people I know who act like this look weak, not strong.

Numerous Islamic websites with interviews with terrorists have shown repeatedly that they will keep fighting because the US eventually looses its stomach for war. When this happens they retreat and leave the country to them. The insurgency knows they cannot beat the US, it will never happen. The thing is that they do not have too, they just need to make the people back home disgusted with the war to win.

You can ignore the interviews until I find them again. I use to have them saved, but I can't find the links right now. I am sure others here have seen them though.

The Iraqi Insurgency is not the "Enemy". Never was prior to its' existance and still isn't.

Of course not, they work side by side US marines to help bring peace to Iraq.

Religious extremism would be a better enemy. Including Judaism, Muslim and Christian extremism. For right now though, as a physical enemy, the insurgency is an enemy that goes after American citizens.

They are a Self Created Enemy attacking a foreign occupation. They are of no consequence to US Territorial Security and not the reason the WoT was started. Al Queda is the Enemy.

Do you believe that Al Queda is not involved in any action whatsoever in Iraq?

It's Moot. They have some part inn what's going on in Iraq, but very little and the only reason any are there is to create havoc. Most of those causing problems for US/Coalition Forces have no direct connections to Al Queda. Afghanistan and Pakistan is where Al Queda has a large presence.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Rainsford
I don't quite understand this kind of talk, and not just because of the cavalier way the Vice President is talking about the deaths of US service men and women. You hear this sort of reasoning a lot, that we need to win in Iraq so we don't show weakness to our enemies. In fact, at this point this theory seems to drown out almost all other discussion. Is foreign policy REALLY just an expensive and deadly way to show everyone how big our collective dick is? Not only do I question how valuable it is to be seen this way on the international stage, but I wonder if we're really projecting the image we think we're projecting. Maybe it's just me, but the people I know who act like this look weak, not strong.

Numerous Islamic websites with interviews with terrorists have shown repeatedly that they will keep fighting because the US eventually looses its stomach for war. When this happens they retreat and leave the country to them. The insurgency knows they cannot beat the US, it will never happen. The thing is that they do not have too, they just need to make the people back home disgusted with the war to win.

You can ignore the interviews until I find them again. I use to have them saved, but I can't find the links right now. I am sure others here have seen them though.

The Iraqi Insurgency is not the "Enemy". Never was prior to its' existance and still isn't.

Of course not, they work side by side US marines to help bring peace to Iraq.

Religious extremism would be a better enemy. Including Judaism, Muslim and Christian extremism. For right now though, as a physical enemy, the insurgency is an enemy that goes after American citizens.

They are a Self Created Enemy attacking a foreign occupation. They are of no consequence to US Territorial Security and not the reason the WoT was started. Al Queda is the Enemy.

Do you believe that Al Queda is not involved in any action whatsoever in Iraq?

Were they BEFORE we bombed the fvck out of that place?

 

[Jaskalas]

I?d support the Administration if they were willing to order our troops to find and kill our enemy. However, the only standing orders have been to sit in the meat grinder ? that is not how guerilla warfare is won. Sherman knew best.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Rainsford
I don't quite understand this kind of talk, and not just because of the cavalier way the Vice President is talking about the deaths of US service men and women. You hear this sort of reasoning a lot, that we need to win in Iraq so we don't show weakness to our enemies. In fact, at this point this theory seems to drown out almost all other discussion. Is foreign policy REALLY just an expensive and deadly way to show everyone how big our collective dick is? Not only do I question how valuable it is to be seen this way on the international stage, but I wonder if we're really projecting the image we think we're projecting. Maybe it's just me, but the people I know who act like this look weak, not strong.

Numerous Islamic websites with interviews with terrorists have shown repeatedly that they will keep fighting because the US eventually looses its stomach for war. When this happens they retreat and leave the country to them. The insurgency knows they cannot beat the US, it will never happen. The thing is that they do not have too, they just need to make the people back home disgusted with the war to win.

You can ignore the interviews until I find them again. I use to have them saved, but I can't find the links right now. I am sure others here have seen them though.

The Iraqi Insurgency is not the "Enemy". Never was prior to its' existance and still isn't.

Of course not, they work side by side US marines to help bring peace to Iraq.

Religious extremism would be a better enemy. Including Judaism, Muslim and Christian extremism. For right now though, as a physical enemy, the insurgency is an enemy that goes after American citizens.

They are a Self Created Enemy attacking a foreign occupation. They are of no consequence to US Territorial Security and not the reason the WoT was started. Al Queda is the Enemy.

How do these people deny that our attack on Iraq only ADDED ENEMIES ...

I haven't a clue and hope to never be of that mindset because it's about as stupid as stupid can be.

 

[Lemon law]

If this surge goes as the President stated---its going to involve urban combat---Cheney may well be right---expect Vietnam sized US causality lists.
300 a week will chew up 15,600 troops in just a year----got resolve?

Stock up on your resolve now at www.dickhead.gov

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
If this surge goes as the President stated---its going to involve urban combat---Cheney may well be right---expect Vietnam sized US causality lists.
300 a week will chew up 15,600 troops in just a year----got resolve?

What the hell is this?
They are already fighting an urban combat, making a comparison to Vietnam is misguided and straight up fear mongering. At least you know the number of weeks in a year and how to use a calculator

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Rainsford
I don't quite understand this kind of talk, and not just because of the cavalier way the Vice President is talking about the deaths of US service men and women. You hear this sort of reasoning a lot, that we need to win in Iraq so we don't show weakness to our enemies. In fact, at this point this theory seems to drown out almost all other discussion. Is foreign policy REALLY just an expensive and deadly way to show everyone how big our collective dick is? Not only do I question how valuable it is to be seen this way on the international stage, but I wonder if we're really projecting the image we think we're projecting. Maybe it's just me, but the people I know who act like this look weak, not strong.

Numerous Islamic websites with interviews with terrorists have shown repeatedly that they will keep fighting because the US eventually looses its stomach for war. When this happens they retreat and leave the country to them. The insurgency knows they cannot beat the US, it will never happen. The thing is that they do not have too, they just need to make the people back home disgusted with the war to win.

You can ignore the interviews until I find them again. I use to have them saved, but I can't find the links right now. I am sure others here have seen them though.

The Iraqi Insurgency is not the "Enemy". Never was prior to its' existance and still isn't.

Of course not, they work side by side US marines to help bring peace to Iraq.

Religious extremism would be a better enemy. Including Judaism, Muslim and Christian extremism. For right now though, as a physical enemy, the insurgency is an enemy that goes after American citizens.

They are a Self Created Enemy attacking a foreign occupation. They are of no consequence to US Territorial Security and not the reason the WoT was started. Al Queda is the Enemy.

Do you believe that Al Queda is not involved in any action whatsoever in Iraq?

It's Moot. They have some part inn what's going on in Iraq, but very little and the only reason any are there is to create havoc. Most of those causing problems for US/Coalition Forces have no direct connections to Al Queda. Afghanistan and Pakistan is where Al Queda has a large presence.

It is not moot. Your mindset was the insurgency was not the enemy. al Queda was. If Al Queda is not operating in the insurgency than they are the enemy. Al Queda is also a Islamic extremist organization. Any organizations that take up there call of Jihad on the US, or to attack the US and its allies are now a part of the enemy.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Rainsford
I don't quite understand this kind of talk, and not just because of the cavalier way the Vice President is talking about the deaths of US service men and women. You hear this sort of reasoning a lot, that we need to win in Iraq so we don't show weakness to our enemies. In fact, at this point this theory seems to drown out almost all other discussion. Is foreign policy REALLY just an expensive and deadly way to show everyone how big our collective dick is? Not only do I question how valuable it is to be seen this way on the international stage, but I wonder if we're really projecting the image we think we're projecting. Maybe it's just me, but the people I know who act like this look weak, not strong.

Numerous Islamic websites with interviews with terrorists have shown repeatedly that they will keep fighting because the US eventually looses its stomach for war. When this happens they retreat and leave the country to them. The insurgency knows they cannot beat the US, it will never happen. The thing is that they do not have too, they just need to make the people back home disgusted with the war to win.

You can ignore the interviews until I find them again. I use to have them saved, but I can't find the links right now. I am sure others here have seen them though.

The Iraqi Insurgency is not the "Enemy". Never was prior to its' existance and still isn't.

Of course not, they work side by side US marines to help bring peace to Iraq.

Religious extremism would be a better enemy. Including Judaism, Muslim and Christian extremism. For right now though, as a physical enemy, the insurgency is an enemy that goes after American citizens.

They are a Self Created Enemy attacking a foreign occupation. They are of no consequence to US Territorial Security and not the reason the WoT was started. Al Queda is the Enemy.

Do you believe that Al Queda is not involved in any action whatsoever in Iraq?

Were they BEFORE we bombed the fvck out of that place?

Your point? They are there now.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
I?d support the Administration if they were willing to order our troops to find and kill our enemy. However, the only standing orders have been to sit in the meat grinder ? that is not how guerilla warfare is won. Sherman knew best.

I agree. If the administration actually allowed them to attack there enemies I would support them, as it is now they seem to be nothing more than human shields as people bicker as to the plan. The should deal with Iraq as a whole in the same manner they dealt with Falujah.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Rainsford
I don't quite understand this kind of talk, and not just because of the cavalier way the Vice President is talking about the deaths of US service men and women. You hear this sort of reasoning a lot, that we need to win in Iraq so we don't show weakness to our enemies. In fact, at this point this theory seems to drown out almost all other discussion. Is foreign policy REALLY just an expensive and deadly way to show everyone how big our collective dick is? Not only do I question how valuable it is to be seen this way on the international stage, but I wonder if we're really projecting the image we think we're projecting. Maybe it's just me, but the people I know who act like this look weak, not strong.

Numerous Islamic websites with interviews with terrorists have shown repeatedly that they will keep fighting because the US eventually looses its stomach for war. When this happens they retreat and leave the country to them. The insurgency knows they cannot beat the US, it will never happen. The thing is that they do not have too, they just need to make the people back home disgusted with the war to win.

You can ignore the interviews until I find them again. I use to have them saved, but I can't find the links right now. I am sure others here have seen them though.

The Iraqi Insurgency is not the "Enemy". Never was prior to its' existance and still isn't.

Of course not, they work side by side US marines to help bring peace to Iraq.

Religious extremism would be a better enemy. Including Judaism, Muslim and Christian extremism. For right now though, as a physical enemy, the insurgency is an enemy that goes after American citizens.

They are a Self Created Enemy attacking a foreign occupation. They are of no consequence to US Territorial Security and not the reason the WoT was started. Al Queda is the Enemy.

Do you believe that Al Queda is not involved in any action whatsoever in Iraq?

It's Moot. They have some part inn what's going on in Iraq, but very little and the only reason any are there is to create havoc. Most of those causing problems for US/Coalition Forces have no direct connections to Al Queda. Afghanistan and Pakistan is where Al Queda has a large presence.

It is not moot. Your mindset was the insurgency was not the enemy. al Queda was. If Al Queda is not operating in the insurgency than they are the enemy. Al Queda is also a Islamic extremist organization. Any organizations that take up there call of Jihad on the US, or to attack the US and its allies are now a part of the enemy.

The Insurgency is not fighting for Al Queda and couldn't care less about Al Queda. They fight for their Country or more accurately their vision for the future of their Country.

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Rainsford
I don't quite understand this kind of talk, and not just because of the cavalier way the Vice President is talking about the deaths of US service men and women. You hear this sort of reasoning a lot, that we need to win in Iraq so we don't show weakness to our enemies. In fact, at this point this theory seems to drown out almost all other discussion. Is foreign policy REALLY just an expensive and deadly way to show everyone how big our collective dick is? Not only do I question how valuable it is to be seen this way on the international stage, but I wonder if we're really projecting the image we think we're projecting. Maybe it's just me, but the people I know who act like this look weak, not strong.

Numerous Islamic websites with interviews with terrorists have shown repeatedly that they will keep fighting because the US eventually looses its stomach for war. When this happens they retreat and leave the country to them. The insurgency knows they cannot beat the US, it will never happen. The thing is that they do not have too, they just need to make the people back home disgusted with the war to win.

You can ignore the interviews until I find them again. I use to have them saved, but I can't find the links right now. I am sure others here have seen them though.

The Iraqi Insurgency is not the "Enemy". Never was prior to its' existance and still isn't.

Of course not, they work side by side US marines to help bring peace to Iraq.

Religious extremism would be a better enemy. Including Judaism, Muslim and Christian extremism. For right now though, as a physical enemy, the insurgency is an enemy that goes after American citizens.

They are a Self Created Enemy attacking a foreign occupation. They are of no consequence to US Territorial Security and not the reason the WoT was started. Al Queda is the Enemy.

How do these people deny that our attack on Iraq only ADDED ENEMIES ...

I haven't a clue and hope to never be of that mindset because it's about as stupid as stupid can be.

You are right. You haven't a clue. You don't get that by invading Iraq we created a perfect environment for terrorism to flourish.