Chevrolet SS

[PricklyPete]

I am seriously excited about this car. Wish I had a reason to buy a new car...hope the reviews are good.

http://m.autoblog.com/2013/02/14/ch...-show-car/?post=1&icid=autoblog_river_article

It will be interesting how visually different it will be from the Holden. Some may say it looks boring, but I think it is perfectly understated. I like Audi's though, so I realize I tend toward boring styling.

Really hoping the new small block is in this thing from the new Corvette...as well as the tall 7 gear manual trans. Would be great to see Chevy offering a true sports sedan. Might be the last we see for a long while.

 

[Phanuel]

It better look more like that burnt orange one than this one - http://www.autoblog.com/2013/02/10/new-holden-commodore-bows-presages-chevy-ss-w-video/

The grey one looks completely boring and un-stated, not even understated. I'm also an Audi fan-boy as far as looks go, but that first Commodore is just plain Buick levels of boring. :/

 

[Viper GTS]

I'm intrigued by this as well. The unfortunate reality is a RWD sports sedan is probably not the most practical daily driver choice given my new home in the Northeast but it sure would be a lot of fun. If it could get about 90% of CTS-V performance for like 60% of the cost that could be a very compelling package.

Viper GTS

 

[PricklyPete]

It better look more like that burnt orange one than this one - http://www.autoblog.com/2013/02/10/new-holden-commodore-bows-presages-chevy-ss-w-video/

The grey one looks completely boring and un-stated, not even understated. I'm also an Audi fan-boy as far as looks go, but that first Commodore is just plain Buick levels of boring. :/

I believe that is the "luxury" version of the platform in Australia, whereas the one I posted is the "sports" version of the platform. My hunch is the SS will be closer to the sports version. Honestly, I just want it to look the same with a chevy badge instead of Holden badge.

 

[Phanuel]

Don't worry, they'll bring back that horrible Pontiac front end and slap it on this like they did the G8 and ruin it.

 

[PricklyPete]

I'm intrigued by this as well. The unfortunate reality is a RWD sports sedan is probably not the most practical daily driver choice given my new home in the Northeast but it sure would be a lot of fun. If it could get about 90% of CTS-V performance for like 60% of the cost that could be a very compelling package.

Viper GTS

Yes. I would really like the car...but...

1) I don't have a car and don't need a car.
2) The one car my wife and I share is ~3 years old, is AWD, and gets awesome gas mileage for our weekend trips up to the mountains.

It would be really hard to talk myself into getting one of these...even if the reviews are stellar.

Still, I wish I had a reason to buy it...I love the idea of a reasonably priced, competent, RWD sports car from a US manufacturer. I realize there has been a Dodge/Chrysler for a while...but until reacently, it did did not have a great powertrain and looked like ass the whole time.

I really hope Chevy nails it with this.

 

[JackBurton]

Doesn't do anything for me.

 

[Dr. Detroit]

So the G8 topped out at $32K -

The SS will top out no higher than $36-38K realistically? Will be a tremendous bargain just like the G8 was - comparable to a 550i.

Before switching jobs I almost bought a 2009.5 G8 on the fire sale. Was 2-days away from pulling the trigger at a dealer in Bakersfield and was forced to switch jobs.

I'm glad to see GM producing these -

 

[PricklyPete]

So the G8 topped out at $32K -

The SS will top out no higher than $36-38K realistically? Will be a tremendous bargain just like the G8 was - comparable to a 550i.

Before switching jobs I almost bought a 2009.5 G8 on the fire sale. Was 2-days away from pulling the trigger at a dealer in Bakersfield and was forced to switch jobs.

I'm glad to see GM producing these -

G8 GXP (really the only awesome variant of the G8 with the proper LS2, Brembo brakes, and manual transmission) was $40k (or like 39K), so it sounds like this will be much closer to this car. Still should be a screaming deal vs. similar luxury/german competition if it performs anywhere near the CTS/ATS in dynamics. Just seems really promising.

 

[KeithP]

G8 GXP (really the only awesome variant of the G8 with the proper LS2, Brembo brakes, and manual transmission) was $40k (or like 39K), so it sounds like this will be much closer to this car. Still should be a screaming deal vs. similar luxury/german competition if it performs anywhere near the CTS/ATS in dynamics. Just seems really promising.

Based on what was said in this article....
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/11/30/how-the-ss-will-become-chevys-four-door-corvette-halo-car/

I am guessing the car will be in the low to mid 40s nicely equipped, maybe cracking 50K full loaded.

-KeithP

 

[PricklyPete]

Based on what was said in this article....
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/11/30/how-the-ss-will-become-chevys-four-door-corvette-halo-car/

I am guessing the car will be in the low to mid 40s nicely equipped, maybe cracking 50K full loaded.

-KeithP

It will be a tough sell for a Chevy...but if it is nice enough...maybe enough enthusiasts will see through the badge. I'd happily pay $50K for a loaded one. Hell a 328i can cost $50K when loaded.

 

[Vic Vega]

I'm intrigued by this as well. The unfortunate reality is a RWD sports sedan is probably not the most practical daily driver choice given my new home in the Northeast but it sure would be a lot of fun. If it could get about 90% of CTS-V performance for like 60% of the cost that could be a very compelling package.

Viper GTS

I've been driving RWD cars in the snow my entire life. Most people have been driving FWD cars since the 90s though so they believe they need it.

 

[Pariah]

Looks like an interesting car until I read the article about it going up market. That makes no sense. Anyone who wants that will buy a Cadillac. Why would GM try to compete with themselves? Didn't they learn anything from the pre-bailout GM? People are more interested in a 4 door Mustang GT than a 4 door Corvette. There are plenty of $50k+ performance sedans. The only reason I can see them doing this is because of the UAW not allowing them to import enough to sell the car at a $30-$35k base price.

G8 GXP used an LS3 variant, not LS2.

 

[PricklyPete]

Looks like an interesting car until I read the article about it going up market. That makes no sense. Anyone who wants that will buy a Cadillac. Why would GM try to compete with themselves? Didn't they learn anything from the pre-bailout GM? People are more interested in a 4 door Mustang GT than a 4 door Corvette. There are plenty of $50k+ performance sedans. The only reason I can see them doing this is because of the UAW not allowing them to import enough to sell the car at a $30-$35k base price.

G8 GXP used an LS3 variant, not LS2.

Correct...my statement earlier was wrong.

 

[nerp]

More RWD sedans the better.

 

[PricklyPete]

More RWD sedans the better.

:thumbsup:

 

[JulesMaximus]

It will be a tough sell for a Chevy...but if it is nice enough...maybe enough enthusiasts will see through the badge. I'd happily pay $50K for a loaded one. Hell a 328i can cost $50K when loaded.

No fucking way would I pay anywhere near that for a 328i. Check the used market, there are tons of them barely used for $10-15k less than that.

So many great values on the used luxury and performance car market. Kind of hard to get excited over new cars these days really.

 

[Railgun]

Hell a 328i can cost $50K when loaded.

Then you're doing it wrong.

 

[phucheneh]

I thought this was a necro at first.

Didn't they already bring the Commodore over here...twice? And failed both times?

Number one problem, IMO, is that it's not exactly a special car in its native land. But they want to bring it over here, tweak the styling a minute bit, and sell it as a sportscar.

As much as I wish there was, there's just no demand for cheap RWD cars. People want flash; if they're gonna buy GM, they're gonna buy a Camaro, Corvette, or CTS.

If they brought these over and sold them for Mustang/Camaro money, maybe there's a chance they could generate interest. V6 Camaro money, at least...the fact that the V8 version doubles MSRP is so insanely retarded....426 to 580hp...23k to 54k...what?

Who in their right fucking mind would pay that? Yeah, why don't you just keep your shitty HOOOO-URRRRR POWEERRRRR NASCAR engine and I'll just go for the 335is instead. Or a G37s or Nismo 370z (and save ten grand). Or one of the other multitude of choices that, while not closing in on 600hp, function 100% better, like...as cars.

But I have a feeling this will be more of the same. Lots of power. Wrapped in excrement. For way too much money.

edit: go figure, the BR-Z keeps seeming more and more appealing in the midst of these on-paper power wars.

 

[PricklyPete]

No fucking way would I pay anywhere near that for a 328i. Check the used market, there are tons of them barely used for $10-15k less than that.

So many great values on the used luxury and performance car market. Kind of hard to get excited over new cars these days really.

Sure, but you can never compare new and used prices between cars. The fact is that a loaded 328i new goes for ~50k.

 

[PricklyPete]

Then you're doing it wrong.

Well you could say the same with getting a loaded SS. All I am saying is that if you go to the configuration tool on BMW's website, it will come out to50k loaded. So I would not be surprised if the same happened with a SS.

 

[PricklyPete]

I thought this was a necro at first.

Didn't they already bring the Commodore over here...twice? And failed both times?

Number one problem, IMO, is that it's not exactly a special car in its native land. But they want to bring it over here, tweak the styling a minute bit, and sell it as a sportscar.

As much as I wish there was, there's just no demand for cheap RWD cars. People want flash; if they're gonna buy GM, they're gonna buy a Camaro, Corvette, or CTS.

If they brought these over and sold them for Mustang/Camaro money, maybe there's a chance they could generate interest. V6 Camaro money, at least...the fact that the V8 version doubles MSRP is so insanely retarded....426 to 580hp...23k to 54k...what?

Who in their right fucking mind would pay that? Yeah, why don't you just keep your shitty HOOOO-URRRRR POWEERRRRR NASCAR engine and I'll just go for the 335is instead. Or a G37s or Nismo 370z (and save ten grand). Or one of the other multitude of choices that, while not closing in on 600hp, function 100% better, like...as cars.

But I have a feeling this will be more of the same. Lots of power. Wrapped in excrement. For way too much money.

edit: go figure, the BR-Z keeps seeming more and more appealing in the midst of these on-paper power wars.

??? 30k for ~430 hp V8 in a camaro...not 23k. You get a LOT more than just a supercharger when you move up to a ZL1. Go look at videos of the 'Ring times. It is a monster on the track...put any 50k German mobile to shame.

 

[JackBurton]

??? 30k for ~430 hp V8 in a camaro...not 23k. You get a LOT more than just a supercharger when you move up to a ZL1. Go look at videos of the 'Ring times. It is a monster on the track...put any 50k German mobile to shame.

The SS's are normally closer to 40K than 30K. Not sure where he pulled out the 23K figure though, unless he's talking about the V6 Camaro. And yes, there is a big difference between the plain 'ol V6 Camaro and ZL1. There's even a big difference between the standard SS and ZL1.

 

[PricklyPete]

The SS's are normally closer to 40K than 30K. Not sure were he pulled out the 23K figure though, unless he's talking about the V6 Camaro. And yes, there is a big difference between the plain 'ol V6 Camaro and ZL1.

Agreed, I was just putting the base price since that is what he was working with, but really the base ZL1 is like a loaded SS with a bunch more performance parts. I don't like the look of the camaro, but that car is amazing for 55k.

 

[JackBurton]

I thought this was a necro at first.

Didn't they already bring the Commodore over here...twice? And failed both times?

Number one problem, IMO, is that it's not exactly a special car in its native land. But they want to bring it over here, tweak the styling a minute bit, and sell it as a sportscar.

As much as I wish there was, there's just no demand for cheap RWD cars. People want flash; if they're gonna buy GM, they're gonna buy a Camaro, Corvette, or CTS.

If they brought these over and sold them for Mustang/Camaro money, maybe there's a chance they could generate interest. V6 Camaro money, at least...the fact that the V8 version doubles MSRP is so insanely retarded....426 to 580hp...23k to 54k...what?

Who in their right fucking mind would pay that? Yeah, why don't you just keep your shitty HOOOO-URRRRR POWEERRRRR NASCAR engine and I'll just go for the 335is instead. Or a G37s or Nismo 370z (and save ten grand). Or one of the other multitude of choices that, while not closing in on 600hp, function 100% better, like...as cars.

But I have a feeling this will be more of the same. Lots of power. Wrapped in excrement. For way too much money.

edit: go figure, the BR-Z keeps seeming more and more appealing in the midst of these on-paper power wars.

I'd put the 335is and G37s in a different category. They're nice cars, but built for a different purpose. The Nismo 370z, meh, it's a fun little car, but way underpowered. I wouldn't even consider one.

With the Camaro ZL1, it's for people that love the Camaro but just want more performance than the standard SS offers. I don't particularly like Camaro's so I wouldn't even consider one, but I'm glad GM did release the ZL1. It just makes things more exciting.