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eelw

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The tariffs aren't for any of that shit. Just take the simplest explanation: they're a sales tax on the people. They're designed to loot wealth from us and give it to the shitbag robber barons like Elon when our nazi king slashes their taxes. He's putting Elon's tax burden onto all of us.
It’s hilarious on Canadian forums, the orange apologists. Nah. It’s the art of the deal. He’s showing why he’s a better businessman that Trudeau. Like traitors, leave Canada. We dont want idiots here
 

manly

Lifer
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It’s hilarious on Canadian forums, the orange apologists. Nah. It’s the art of the deal. He’s showing why he’s a better businessman that Trudeau. Like traitors, leave Canada. We dont want idiots here
fuck, there's a cabal of red squirrels up north? 🤮
 

Indus

Lifer
May 11, 2002
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It’s hilarious on Canadian forums, the orange apologists. Nah. It’s the art of the deal. He’s showing why he’s a better businessman that Trudeau. Like traitors, leave Canada. We dont want idiots here

Canada should annex New York and the North East.. Deport those assholes to Texas on buses!

I'd be absolutely fine paying 40% taxes like you guys for universal healthcare
 

Fenixgoon

Lifer
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Canada should annex New York and the North East.. Deport those assholes to Texas on buses!

I'd be absolutely fine paying 40% taxes like you guys for universal healthcare
I'll relocate if that happens. Put me in New York, Canada.
 
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eelw

Lifer
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Canada should annex New York and the North East.. Deport those assholes to Texas on buses!

I'd be absolutely fine paying 40% taxes like you guys for universal healthcare
Even if it means sacrificing your metal penis?
 

Muse

Lifer
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The great big lie, of intelligent billionaires.
Turns out they were just the fattest ugliest and most grotesque leeches in society.
And the American people wanted to bleed out more... and die faster to the disease.

No wonder people have mixed feelings on Mangione.
I don't think I could vote to convict Luigi. Not murder. Worst I could endorse is therapy folks.

"Intelligent billionaires" ??? Isn't that an oxymoron?

A rant concerning this that I read the other day by a female friend of mine on FB:

I don't usually post long winded rants of any kind anywhere on the internet. However, due to the current state of this shit country, I will use this platform to do just that. This platform, which ironically is responsible for the current degraded state of a society ravaged by misinformation and making it so that everyone on the planet thinks their opinion needs to be expressed publicly. But that's a different rant for a different day. Today I took a page out of Dennis Dougherty's book and deleted someone from my FB because frankly their garbage take on Trump (i.e., rationalizing his very real Nazi/fascist ideologies) is just too much. This person wasn't much to lose anyhow, and I'm not at all surprised by their lack of critical thinking skills and their whiny middle aged white man mentality. I know not all middle aged white men are the problem, but I've simply observed too many of them behaving like fucking morons and now they are emboldened to be even worse by our country's leader. Anyway, the person I blocked also tried to hook up with me when I was 15 and he was 23 so I'm not exactly surprised to see how he ended up 30 years later. If you voted for Trump, if you defend billionaires, if you participate in culture wars while ignoring A VERY REAL CLASS WAR, just press that unfriend button and carry on with your life. I won't notice and I won't miss you. If you didn't vote for him, or you didn't vote at all because you realize how broken and useless this system is, then I suggest you gather your community and start making real plans for the shit hitting the fan. It's not the time for neutrality. If you have the luxury of being neutral, you should question that. You should look within, consider your position, and then consider the world around you. Turning any sort of blind eye to what's happening is just as bad as supporting it.
She went on to comment:

I'll also add that being a billionaire is a mental illness. Hoarding wealth is a sign of real sickness in your mind and heart. Literally no one needs that much money. Another sign of mental illness is being absolutely obsessed with what is between someone's legs and what they choose do with it. I've seen posts from conservative extremists (and incels) analyzing someone's gender and/or transition in a way that is absolutely insane. Prioritizing gender issues (which should be non issues and have no negative impact on anyone's lives) over climate science, poverty, and education is a sign of a deep dark illness and complete disregard for human life.
 
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Muse

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Fabbing is a complicated business right. Who the f could have foreseen that Trump would tear up the chips act, who is going to make a big business decision like this on a foundation that flip flops every 4th year... its a matter of national security for the US ... Oh wait. If you were actively trying to DESTROY the US............... Then this makes sense.
Nov. 6, 2016 was arguably the saddest day in American history. There were others, Nov. 22, 1963 and Sept. 11, 2001, pretty bad, but the worst of all now is Nov. 5, 2024.
 

cytg111

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Canada should annex New York and the North East.. Deport those assholes to Texas on buses!

I'd be absolutely fine paying 40% taxes like you guys for universal healthcare

There is an idea... Why not? Open for business, if you want to secede and join the club come on in. Wonder how Trump would react to that..
 
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DZero

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It’s hilarious on Canadian forums, the orange apologists. Nah. It’s the art of the deal. He’s showing why he’s a better businessman that Trudeau. Like traitors, leave Canada. We dont want idiots here
I don't see MAGA, I see Russian lapdogs who deserves a kick in their arse
 

SMOGZINN

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who is going to make a big business decision like this on a foundation that flip flops every 4th year
This is exactly why no one wants to invest in American manufacturing. Trumps Tariffs have no hope of surviving even the 4 years of his Presidency, much less the next time a Democrat takes office. Who is going to plan long term development in a nation that is one of the most expensive in the world to develop in, and is almost certainly going to make that development unnecessary before it is even finished. When you make major policy shifts every time a new party takes power no one wants to invest in you.
 
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This is exactly why no one wants to invest in American manufacturing. Trumps Tariffs have no hope of surviving even the 4 years of his Presidency, much less the next time a Democrat takes office. Who is going to plan long term development in a nation that is one of the most expensive in the world to develop in, and is almost certainly going to make that development unnecessary before it is even finished. When you make major policy shifts every time a new party takes power no one wants to invest in you.
Also, factories take years to build. No one is going to make capital decisions that will have implications for potentially decades because there is a purile, irrational baby in the White House.
 

eelw

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And even if they build everything in America, how much more will it be compared to stuff made elsewhere? Like no $10,000 EVs coming out of America plants. Not saying Taiwan labour is cheap, but it will still be less than what the average costs in US fabs. Doubt Apple will have same prices for Made In America iPhones. Imagine the costs of medication mass produced Stateside. Hello $10,000 insulin meds
 

Indus

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Nov. 6, 2016 was arguably the saddest day in American history. There were others, Nov. 22, 1963 and Sept. 11, 2001, pretty bad, but the worst of all now is Nov. 5, 2024.

Nov 8 but yes otherwise I agree with you.
 
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And even if they build everything in America, how much more will it be compared to stuff made elsewhere? Like no $10,000 EVs coming out of America plants. Not saying Taiwan labour is cheap, but it will still be less than what the average costs in US fabs. Doubt Apple will have same prices for Made In America iPhones. Imagine the costs of medication mass produced Stateside. Hello $10,000 insulin meds
It's not always a matter of cheapness. Sometimes, it's just having the knowledgeable people to do the labor. You can't just pop up a random, complicated assembly line anywhere in the US and expect it to run as well as those already established ex-US on day 1 or even day 365.
 

iRONic

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Rhetorical question… How nervous can Ford & South Korea be with their eleventy billions of dollars invested in building out their EV battery factories in Tennessee and Kentucky?
 

cytg111

Lifer
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Also, factories take years to build. No one is going to make capital decisions that will have implications for potentially decades because there is a purile, irrational baby in the White House.
New fabs are like 10 years in the making right? The only thing that makes sense is that he is out to destroy US.
Or maybe he knows this policy will stand for the next 20 years cause democracy is dead.
 

cytg111

Lifer
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Rhetorical question… How nervous can Ford & South Korea be with their eleventy billions of dollars invested in building out their EV battery factories in Tennessee and Kentucky?
Id say very.

Gonna cancel that and give the contract to Musk. Somehow.
 
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New fabs are like 10 years in the making right? The only thing that makes sense is that he is out to destroy US.
Or maybe he knows this policy will stand for the next 20 years cause democracy is dead.
I don't know if he's purposefully trying to do anything. Trump is pretty stupid, and there are lots of stupid and evil people around him. And then Trump admires the trappings of dictators. I don't think it's very deep. It's just stupid man likes stupid and evil policies and stupid and evil things happen as a result.
 
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eelw

Lifer
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I don't know if he's purposefully trying to do anything. Trump is pretty stupid, and there are lots of stupid and evil people around him. And then Trump admires the trappings of dictators. I don't think it's very deep. It's just stupid man likes stupid and evil policies and stupid and evil things happen as a result.
Yup. Stupid people like Navarro. Evil people like Miller. But then I’d assume Wiles being the calming voice.
 
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hal2kilo

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And even if they build everything in America, how much more will it be compared to stuff made elsewhere? Like no $10,000 EVs coming out of America plants. Not saying Taiwan labour is cheap, but it will still be less than what the average costs in US fabs. Doubt Apple will have same prices for Made In America iPhones. Imagine the costs of medication mass produced Stateside. Hello $10,000 insulin meds
It will be built by robots here very quickly. UIC comes to mind. Can't deprive the billionaires of at least their 3rd home.
 

manly

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And even if they build everything in America, how much more will it be compared to stuff made elsewhere? Like no $10,000 EVs coming out of America plants. Not saying Taiwan labour is cheap, but it will still be less than what the average costs in US fabs. Doubt Apple will have same prices for Made In America iPhones. Imagine the costs of medication mass produced Stateside. Hello $10,000 insulin meds
I don't know about semiconductor fabs, but average salary in Taiwan is actually pretty cheap (in the same ballpark as the top cities in the PRC).

The estimates of what a Made in USA iPhone would cost are shockingly high, but I'm not sure I completely buy it. I'm sure it's broadly true, but Apple would figure out a way to fully automate the assembly to minimize labor input costs to a bare minimum. Oops, ninja'd by @hal2kilo .
 

SteveGrabowski

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Canada should annex New York and the North East.. Deport those assholes to Texas on buses!

I'd be absolutely fine paying 40% taxes like you guys for universal healthcare
Gonna eventually be paying 40% taxes in the US anyways once you factor in the Trump Sales Tax so yeah I'd love to be Canadian and have my taxes pay for universal healthcare and an educated population instead of bullshit like more weapons for Israel and TV ad campaigns thanking Trump. Please let me come back on the return trip of those buses lol.
 
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