Christ! Agent Orange!!!

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: MisfitsFiend

Should the US give $$ to Vietnam for the widespread use of Agent Orange?

from a couple of weeks ago...

My vote...no. It was war, sh!t happens.

It was a war 30 years ago. Kids born today are paying the price. I guess actually being a father gives you a different perspective on things. I feel nothing but hatred for the companies that made this shit, and towards the judge that threw it out. These are innocent kids that we are screwing over. Had there been a chemical spill in the US 30 years ago and kids were all fvcked up from it today, There would be riots in the streets if a judge just threw out the case.

 

[Schneider879]

Great Zues' bread!

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: eigen

Originally posted by: Uppsala9496
We owe them nothing for cleanup! How about taking care of the veterans that suffered first.

:beer::thumbsup:

You two are despicable. We invaded their country and they never attacked ours. We owe them a lot.

 

[ribbon13]

If anyone owes Vietnam, it's the French, as they started it!

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: eigen
didnt really phase me....My dad was part of tiger force...
http://www.veteransforpeace.org/Tiger_force_120803.htm

So I had known we murdered innocent people since I was young.My dad philsophy was that If they are dead they cant kill you...It worked.Sorry the kids life is ruined but better him than my family.

Your dad was a fvcking pussy.
From the article you linked "a member of the Tiger Force had decapitated an infant."
In the My Lai massacre, over 500 men women and children were murdered in cold blood. You may think your dad is some hero, but he isn't. I would spit in his face. We could have only wished he was killed before you were created, as your arrogant attitude is why no one likes Americans.

 

[krcat1]

Originally posted by: ribbon13
If anyone owes Vietnam, it's the French, as they started it!

One of the US's greatest mistakes was allowing the French to reclaim Vietnam.

Ho was (supposedly) running around with a copy of the Dec of Independence after the Japanese went down. The Allies and his resistance were on good terms. May a deal could have been worked out for Vietnamese independence in 1945, without communism?

Instead, the French got a chance to reclaim their honor.......

 

[desk]

Originally posted by: tk149

Originally posted by: eigen

didnt really phase me....My dad was part of tiger force...
http://www.veteransforpeace.org/Tiger_force_120803.htm

So I had known we murdered innocent people since I was young.My dad philsophy was that If they are dead they cant kill you...It worked.Sorry the kids life is ruined but better him than my family.

Holy S***! I had no idea. I love my country, but these are U.S. government sanctioned massacres. New sig material.

NFS4, poor taste. I *almost* wish your child turns out like that.

he makes a tasteless joke, so you wish that he has a horribly disfigured kid? wow, i hope i never offend you.

 

[GoingUp]

looks like a cartoon character

 

[Sentinel]

that's sick, Vietnam still ruins people's lives.

 

[HamSupLo]

I hope that kid is not in any pain. As America, let's not preach about human rights and stoping the use of WMD, when we in fact have used nukes and chemical weapons on a large scale.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

Originally posted by: Amused
It is my opinion that just like "Gulf Lore Syndrome," the "Agent Orange" myth is largely just that, a myth.

That's pretty insulting to both my grandfather that served proudly in the US military, as well as all of the other soldiers that risked their lives in Desert Storm/Shield. You really think that all of them suddenly became paranoid delusional liars when they returned from combat? That's it's all one coldly-calculated scheme cooked up by some shady lawyers to extract money from the US gov't based on assertions made from some soldiers? You really amaze me with your diverse viewpoints.

Not at all.

I am saying that a percentage of returning soldiers would have come down with various cancers ANYHOW. These myths gave them something to blame them on.

There is no sound science behind Gulf Lore Syndrome. Not to mention the Agent Orange hysteria. In fact, when peer reviewed and repeated studies are done, they show NO higher incidence of cancers and other maladies among vets of these wars and the general population.

But, just like the breast implant hysteria, the myths took on a life of their own and anyone who questioned them were, and still are by your example, labeled as "insulting" and "against the troops."

Well, here's a heads up: I'm a Gulf war I era vet. My father was a WWII Vet, and my GF's father and uncle are Vietnam vets. To question my regard for veterans is absurd.

Maybe you just need to grow up?

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: eigen

well me and NFS4 did...Sue us...

It's not that I found it funny, it's the FIRST thing that came to my mind when I saw the picture. The rest of you had better not lie and say that you didn't think it too...

i don't even know WTF you're talking about, let alone would i think of it.

It's the goonies, and I had thought the same thing.

 

[KarenMarie]

While I can appreciate the emotions of both sides... I feel that there is one thing that was overlooked... the judge threw this out cause he interprets the law to say that the chemical companies cannot be held repsonsible for their actions under direct orders of the President during a time of war. That would be like taking every soldier who fired a bullet to court.

While there may be some moral responsibility, there is no legal responsibility according to this judge.

 

[Buickbeast]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
While I can appreciate the emotions of both sides... I feel that there is one thing that was overlooked... the judge threw this out cause he interprets the law to say that the chemical companies cannot be held repsonsible for their actions under direct orders of the President during a time of war. That would be like taking every soldier who fired a bullet to court.

Actually it would be like the bullet companies get sued becuase they made the bullets. If anything, it's not the companies that made Agent Orange fault, it's the people that oked the use of it.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson
Do you (Americans) realize that, in the eyes of all the foreigners reading this thread, you come across as a bunch of arrogant, insensitive boors? I feel absolutely disgusted by some of the stuff I read here.

I'll be sure to let you know when I give a rat's ass.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: Feldenak
My vote...no. It was war, sh!t happens.

:thumbsup:

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: HamSupLo
I hope that kid is not in any pain. As America, let's not preach about human rights and stoping the use of WMD, when we in fact have used nukes and chemical weapons on a large scale.

You obviously have no knowledge about chemical weapons. At the time of its use, Agent Orange was a herbicide and nothing more. As soon as it's deadly (or at least life altering) effects were discovered, it was immediately removed from military use. Compare that to a dirty bomb...

 

[MrCodeDude]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: eigen

well me and NFS4 did...Sue us...

It's not that I found it funny, it's the FIRST thing that came to my mind when I saw the picture. The rest of you had better not lie and say that you didn't think it too...

I don't know who Sloth is.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: HamSupLo
I guess we can't blame Saddam for gassing the Kurds. War sucks.

Read above.

 

Originally posted by: MazerRackham
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&...11133810_uzzeaqbb_photo0&e=4&ncid=1778

EDIT: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?g=even...e&a=&tmpl=sl&ns=&l=0&e=21&a=0&printer=


Just wow.

Woah! I hope they fight this out and to the finish! :| At the very least the companies or responsible parties should clean up the mess made and left!

Originally posted by: moshquerade
i wish there were more to the article about this than what is in the picture caption.

What happened to the saying, A picture is worth a thousand words? :roll:

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: DearQT

Woah! I hope they fight this out and to the finish! :| At the very least the companies or responsible parties should clean up the mess made and left!

We should also sue gun makers every time some idiot decides to shoot someone :roll:

Originally posted by: DearQT
What happened to the saying, A picture is worth a thousand words? :roll:

Some of us like to base decisions on facts rather than emotions.

 

Let's sue every company that has ever manufactured anything ever used in any war.

 

[DigDug]

Once again a thread on ATOT has done nothing but serve to reveal the callousness and arrogance of our fellow Americans. Most of you pipsqueaks have never left your state, let alone own a passport, yet have no problem brushing off the plight millions of people on this planet with a flick of the wrist. I see where you learn it from - the leaders of our country do the exact same thing...

When pushed into a corner, most of you bring out the "my father was there" argument as some sort of justification for the need to gas, poison and destroy generations of people, yet fail to realize that Vietnam was a situation in which WE INJECTED OURSELVES. Your "father was there" because he was a peon ruled by a selfish and arrogant leadership. The people you should view with contempt are not the poor, disfigured people of Vietnam but the scumbags who used your father as a chess piece in their political game.

I went to Vietnam this summer, and I'll tell you - they were such welcoming and warm people. Despite 1/100th of the education opportunities and experience we have here, most of the population, unlike you morons, have the intellectual depth to understand the political dynamic that led to this. They don't blame your fathers, they blame our leaders. Why don't you?

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: DigDug
Once again a thread on ATOT has done nothing but serve to reveal the callousness and arrogance of our fellow Americans. Most you pipsqueaks have never left your state, let alone own a passport, yet have no problem brushing off the plight millions of people on this planet with a flick of the wrist. I see where you learn it from - the leaders of our country do the exact same thing...

When pushed into a corner, most of you bring out the "my father was there" argument as some sort of justification for the need to gas, poison and destroy generations of people, yet fail to realize that Vietnam was a situation in which WE INJECTED OURSELVES. Your "father was there" because he was a peon ruled by a selfish and arrogant leadership. The people you should view with contempt are not the poor, disfigured people of Vietnam but the scumbags who used your father as a chess piece in their political game.

I went to Vietnam this summer, and I'll tell you - they were such welcoming and warm people. Despite 1/100th of the education opportunities and experience we have here, most of the population, unlike you morons, have the intellectual depth to understand that your fathers were peons and that their plight was the result of the (misguided) leaders of this country.

Discussion technique #2783: Insult 270 million people that you have never met. Well done.

 

[DigDug]

Discussion technique #2783: Insult 270 million people that you have never met. Well done.

Mr. Carrico,

And, pray tell, who are this 270 million? Finish that last homework assignment for your Hooked-on-Phonics course and then reread what I wrote. It is clear that I address those who callously and arrogantly dismiss the damage done in Vietnam either becuase (1) they see it as a justification for the preservation of their family members who were unnecessarily placed into the situation and/or (2) who feel that some people's lives are not worth as much as their own.