Christianity vs MAGA Christianity

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dingster1

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Maga is white evangelical speak wrapped loosely in bible verses. Robert P. Jones has some excellent books on the subject Mainly:The Religion of Whiteness
 

dingster1

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Maga is white evangelical speak wrapped loosely in bible verses. Robert P. Jones has some excellent books on the subject Mainly:The Religion of Whiteness
 

nakedfrog

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I find it interesting how that obviously MAGA author includes "educated" in their definition of woke while ignoring that MAGA is anti-education (though I suppose that ignorance is based on organised religion being anti-education too). Based on that I'm surprised that MAGA hasn't co-opted "woke" and made it their own brand, what with those educated elites and all.
They do like "awake, not woke".
 
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Moonbeam

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Mammon demands both.

People who hate themselves or should I just say almost everybody wants to be good regardless of how bad they want their good to be which means that whatever you tell yourself who you are it will consist of a rationalization. Murders,, for example,in their own minds, only kill people who they believe deserve to die. That’s why Mammon is god. Otherwise one would feel shame and it episode shame we refuse to feel because it is what made us sick.
I was raised pentecostal evangel, specifically in the Assemblies of God denomination. These are the people involved with the satanic panic, the 700 club, jimmy swaggart, etc…

heres just one ddg search:


People in this area teach that God is the first and the last, the alpha and omega, the beginning and the end, everywhere at once, all seeing, all knowing, young earth, dinosaurs were intentionally put in the earths crust to test your faith, stuff like that.

So they simultaneously will teach this and then tell you that you have free will. That does not add up. Either God knows all, or he doesnt. They wont pick, its both.

AG + other evangelicals generally believe the same things. Same people professing that USA is a “christian nation” and want p2025 to be a success.
You had it pretty rough being told any deviance could land you in hell. Having broken out of one jail and landed somewhere better, you are probably well trained and armed to discover you may have leaped from the frying pan into the fire. What if there’s an even better place you could be. No way, right?
 

ch33zw1z

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Just some holy rollers part of the governing body, nbd.

The top post in the thread goes right to Matthew 6:5, A piece of the Sermon on the mount. Christians should familiarize themselves with their documentation.


A link to Matthew 6

 

trenchfoot

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Karoline Leavitt conspicuously wearing a pendant in the shape of a Christian cross while blatantly lying her ass off every chance she gets in defense of Trump's treachery against The Constitution is a perfect example of the Republican party's hypocrisy, double standards and the political weaponization of the nation's predominant religion that's being used against other people of the same religion with the exception that they have an opposing political affiliation.

Want more hypocrisy from the religious right wing? The Republicans who profess their loyalty to Christianity are the very ones that revile and despise their Christian brethren attempting to seek shelter here in the USA, the majority of whom are from the Spanish influenced Catholic faith that repulsively look different from the "Real Americans". Same religion that professes that all peoples are of equal status in their God's eyes yet somehow diametrically opposed in principle when it comes down to the Republican Christian's opinion about who deserves to live here...or not.
 
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To some extent it's a moot point. Trump himself admitted to not being a Christian, not that it wasn't obvious with his lifetime of behavior. When the leader of your "Christian" cult isn't even a Christian, kind of brings into question your own Christianity.
 
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ch33zw1z

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To some extent it's a moot point. Trump himself admitted to not being a Christian, not that it wasn't obvious with his lifetime of behavior. When the leader of your "Christian" cult isn't even a Christian, kind of brings into question your own Christianity.

The bigger picture is that many evangelicals dont care. They want to see prophecies full filled in their lifetimes. Anti christ, one world order, rebuilding Jerusalem, and more!

One shitty link: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...elical-christians-donald-trump-a9676756.html#
 

Moonbeam

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The bigger picture is that many evangelicals dont care. They want to see prophecies full filled in their lifetimes. Anti christ, one world order, rebuilding Jerusalem, and more!

One shitty link: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...elical-christians-donald-trump-a9676756.html#
The condition of self hate creates an unconscious desire for self destruction. It's what we sinners feel we deserve. And we create what we fear. Only knowing your true inner condition can save anybody from that, but as I said, we would rather die than know how we feel.
 

ch33zw1z

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The condition of self hate creates an unconscious desire for self destruction. It's what we sinners feel we deserve. And we create what we fear. Only knowing your true inner condition can save anybody from that, but as I said, we would rather die than know how we feel.

Ok thanks for the standard canned response.
 
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cytg111

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But what about, uh, are we calling it "simulationism"?
That would be the Creationism to that table .

But sure, if you can back it up with rational thought, testable theories, principles of science, it's good to go in my timeline.

Bottom line is that we need to get away from magic-think.
Religion got us here, now it's time for the next paradigm.

We KNOW there is no magic gods as per defined in the old Jedi texts.
It is time to move on.
 

Moonbeam

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That would be the Creationism to that table .

But sure, if you can back it up with rational thought, testable theories, principles of science, it's good to go in my timeline.

Bottom line is that we need to get away from magic-think.
Religion got us here, now it's time for the next paradigm.

We KNOW there is no magic gods as per defined in the old Jedi texts.
It is time to move on.
That’s what God said when he completely remade the universe some time back removing all traces that He exists. “Time to move on. Let’s make it so they can find Me only by looking within themselves. By hiding in the last place they would ever look I will be seen only by those who know their real need.”
 

ch33zw1z

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That’s what God said when he completely remade the universe some time back removing all traces that He exists. “Time to move on. Let’s make it so they can find Me only by looking within themselves. By hiding in the last place they would ever look I will be seen only by those who know their real need.”
Cool theory.
 

cytg111

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That’s what God said when he completely remade the universe some time back removing all traces that He exists. “Time to move on. Let’s make it so they can find Me only by looking within themselves. By hiding in the last place they would ever look I will be seen only by those who know their real need.”
Well he missed a trace then didnt he... not very omega of him. Not impressed.
 

Moonbeam

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we all know what you saidCool theory.
No, no, not a theory. We all know it just like we all know what you said we all know.

Either that or you bandy about a word like knowing arrogantly assuming you know what it is. I can do that too. I assumed that it is generally considered from a scientific point of view that the question of God’s existence is a question that can’t be addressed scientifically and is thus unanswerable by the scientific method leaving us knowing that science can’t either prove or deny God’s existence and that for that reason your, in your arrogant self righteous belief that if it can’t be known by science, proven one way or the other by it, that God actually does not exist.

We know that science is helpless to answer that question so now you have decided he does not exist which in turn defines for you what it is that you don’t believe in, a bearded white guy resting on a cloud, a self created figment of your past conditioning. You imagined a pink elephant with pointy ears and now claim your stupidity hallucination does not exist. Congratulations. But your arrogance consists in the also fantastical assumption that every believer in God is experiencing the same thing as you, some similarly fantastical hallucination.

Why do you do that? It is because you also have a second fantastical belief you have not examined, that what you call knowing is the only way anybody ever knows things.

Can you know anything instinctively? How much access do you have to that? Are there insights that come from pattern recognition? Would their precision increase with greater and greater exposure to life itself, time dependent, driven by education, intention and application.

Does a seeker seek plasticity and a fearful mind a static environment? Can one act like a child while another with emotional maturity. Is what we see conditioned by visual acuity? Does greater experience lead to a capacity to experience more and more subtle things. Do you really know yourself?

Perhaps knowing that God exists is simply a matter of a radical shift in pattern awareness you personally have not experienced but could if your ego were not in the way.

I have long had a fondness for this comment from an apparently fictional work.

“There are a million paths in life and they all lead nowhere. Choose a path that has a heart.” The Sufis say you will find God nowhere else.
 
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Moonbeam

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Well he missed a trace then didnt he... not very omega of him. Not impressed.
He put me here to Tell you, didn’t He! I don’t see how much more Omega you could get. And as far as not being impressed, that’s just your self hate talking. You were made to feel not just unimpressive but worthless, and that left you mad at the world. For you now is the psychosis of misery created by the desire to get even for being made to believe in that worthlessness as your only option to survive.

I tell you the facts so that knowing them creates a possibility to reconsider. You are not worthless at all but you feel that way. Challenge it or not.
 

cytg111

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He put me here to Tell you, didn’t He! I don’t see how much more Omega you could get. And as far as not being impressed, that’s just your self hate talking. You were made to feel not just unimpressive but worthless, and that left you mad at the world. For you now is the psychosis of misery created by the desire to get even for being made to believe in that worthlessness as your only option to survive.

I tell you the facts so that knowing them creates a possibility to reconsider. You are not worthless at all but you feel that way. Challenge it or not.
107 joules of brain energy was wasted writing this message.

Hey put a footer on that message that says something like "for 2$ you can know more" with a link to fundme page, go find an email collection and spam that shit.

I take 10% for the idea.
 
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ch33zw1z

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No, no, not a theory. We all know it just like we all know what you said we all know.

Either that or you bandy about a word like knowing arrogantly assuming you know what it is. I can do that too. I assumed that it is generally considered from a scientific point of view that the question of God’s existence is a question that can’t be addressed scientifically and is thus unanswerable by the scientific method leaving us knowing that science can’t either prove or deny God’s existence and that for that reason your, in your arrogant self righteous belief that if it can’t be known by science, proven one way or the other by it, that God actually does not exist.

We know that science is helpless to answer that question so now you have decided he does not exist which in turn defines for you what it is that you don’t believe in, a bearded white guy resting on a cloud, a self created figment of your past conditioning. You imagined a pink elephant with pointy ears and now claim your stupidity hallucination does not exist. Congratulations. But your arrogance consists in the also fantastical assumption that every believer in God is experiencing the same thing as you, some similarly fantastical hallucination.

Why do you do that? It is because you also have a second fantastical belief you have not examined, that what you call knowing is the only way anybody ever knows things.

Can you know anything instinctively? How much access do you have to that? Are there insights that come from pattern recognition? Would their precision increase with greater and greater exposure to life itself, time dependent, driven by education, intention and application.

Does a seeker seek plasticity and a fearful mind a static environment? Can one act like a child while another with emotional maturity. Is what we see conditioned by visual acuity? Does greater experience lead to a capacity to experience more and more subtle things. Do you really know yourself?

Perhaps knowing that God exists is simply a matter of a radical shift in pattern awareness you personally have not experienced but could if your ego were not in the way.

I have long had a fondness for this comment from an apparently fictional work.

“There are a million paths in life and they all lead nowhere. Choose a path that has a heart.” The Sufis say you will find God nowhere else.

“This theory is not a theory”, ok, provide evidence that your theory is not a theory, but a factual account of what God did. You said this, prove it:

That’s what God said when he completely remade the universe some time back removing all traces that He exists. “Time to move on. Let’s make it so they can find Me only by looking within themselves. By hiding in the last place they would ever look I will be seen only by those who know their real need.”
 

Moonbeam

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“This theory is not a theory”, ok, provide evidence that your theory is not a theory, but a factual account of what God did. You said this, prove it:
I have a problem and the result is that I made a mistake which I feel a need to inform you about and apologize for. I have a issue with letters which means that when I see ch33zw1z I see c followed by gobbledygook so when i see your name I know I'm talking to c gobbledygook Even gobbledygook is just goobly beloved patriot to me. And when I look at cytg111 it's the same person c goobblygook. And as I am aware of the fact that there are two people who are the same person I have to be very careful not to stupidly mistake one of you for the other because while is see the same person I know that isn't the case. Well I made a mistake. And it was cytg111 that said, "We KNOW there is no magic gods as per defined in the old Jedi texts.
It is time to move on." and in the sense of fact rather than theory, I said two could play that game and did the same back to him proposing a theory and saying it was fact. They you came along and said 'nice theory bro", when all I was saying is that I could also pretend a theory has been factually proven. At that point I confused him with you. I was simply illustrating that his knowing. like my pretending to know were both delivered without any proof at all. So my reply was addressed to the wrong person.

So sorry for the mix up and sorry too that I can't prove what I said because it was said knowing there's no proof of it. So additionally the comments I made as to how you believe you know what you really don't know should have been posted to him had it been him who said cool theory.
 
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