Christopher Hitchens 1949–2011

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zinfamous

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I'm sort of embarrassed to say that I just learned of this man today. However, after reading some of his articles and his brief biography, I feel justified to say that the world lost a great human being,

well, he was a supreme dick. nothing he shied away from, though.

A bit notorious: he was a prominent writer for the Nation for many years (and thus a supreme liberal wackadoo), then turned a major 180 c. 1999 or so and became staunchly libertarian-hawkish-conservative crackhead.

A drunken lout in every conceivable definition of the word, this supreme atheist british asshole would destroy anyone in a debate. and he always did. and people loved it.

I think he will very well be missed, and yet few would shy away from reminded anyone of his hard-headed demeanor.

gotta love the Hitch.
 

IndyColtsFan

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It's not the belief I attack, it's the expression of such, in how you choose to live your life.

I certainly do not believe that religion stigmatizes any one individual as ignorant or uneducated, worthless or trite. Far from it. I've known plenty of atheist idiots out there to equal the brilliant, well-educated theologians that could trounce you in an honest debate.

not at all what I'm saying. It's simply how one chooses to live their life and present themselves.

I agree 100%. Death and your own mortality are highly personal issues to deal with and I'll never begrudge anyone for either believing or not believing in God. What I don't like, however, is the overzealous religious people shoving their religion and beliefs down your throat.

I will say there is a tendency to bash religious people on AT (and I say that as a non-religious person) and in some cases it is justified (Westboro Baptist Church) but in many cases, it goes overboard and paints the picture of anyone who is religious as being ignorant. I attribute this to the fact that many of the people here are young, probably still in college or recently graduated, and they haven't experienced life enough to make a proper determination. Believe me, when you're older and you start seeing friends and family die off, your perspective changes.

Oh, and RIP Hitchens. Too many relatively young people are still dying of cancer, and it really serves to invalidate my faith in modern medicine.
 

slayer202

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We've lost a great man . I hope the very end wasn't too uncomfortable

<3 ya Hitch, thank you
 

sdifox

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The world, and the US in particular, is in desperate need of more people like Hitchens. Whether you agreed with him or not, he was always intelligently thought provoking, the very antithesis of our current political and media machines.

well said. Rip.
 

oynaz

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Not sure if offensive or hilarious.
Edit: Leaning towards hilarious.


I think Hitchens would be able to see the joke.

Are people really discussing with a guy calling himself RisenZealot?
 

classy

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Oh well, as I have said before, I hope for his sake, he was right...........................
 
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That's just plain ignorance right there and I know you're smarter then that. It was clear from the second post in this thread that anyone who had a belief in God was an insane zealot and ignorant. Now of course that is NOT physical persecution but it is psychological. People who don't believe are free to auto call out believers as uneducated morons. For a believer to say the same would simply be turned around on them.

So sorry kind sir but by this very thread it's obvious you people who don't give a piss about our beliefs will get pissy BEFORE any of us even start to type in the thread.

Well, yeah, that's pretty clear to most people that belief in your god makes you an insane zealot and ignorant. I mean, come on, we know the facts. My god said you were wrong and that you would try to persecute me by claiming that he was wrong.

Insane or not real will always be real. The truth will always be the truth. Just because your mind cannot grasp the idea of an ever lasting God does not make it insane or untrue. Mr Hitchens is finding this out right now probably. I can't say that for sure as I don't know his heart and I can't judge. I'm just guessing based off of his own words.

See now there's your problem. You're just guessing. God told me that you were wrong. I'm gonna take his word for it over yours. I'm not sure why you can't seem to see it my way since god was the one that told me. I wish you'd stop persecuting me by even mentioning anything else.
 
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Oh well, as I have said before, I hope for his sake, he was right...........................

Why? Jesus will just forgive you if you ask him to and then you'll be in heaven. At least that's how my god said it goes. He was like, lol, come at me bro! And then he was like, don't worry dude, you got VIP passes, and you gonna get you them virgins (and he gives me a wink, cause you know, they "virgins" but they opened up wide for the gee-oh-dee) and we pop-poppin them bottles of bubbly as we rock them cherubs and flap-flap our wings (and you know those wings all blinged out and shining, got that seraphim sheen, straight up ballin dog).
 

Ninjahedge

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The main problem with religion is simple.

For some reason humans are so egotistical that no matter how "different" a background they come from, their gods somehow represent a portion of themselves.

Very few practice the notion that life itself is all that it is, a cycle or some form of spirituality that pervades our existence WITHOUT having to make a tall guy with a beard or some 6 armed woman with a funny hat in charge of it.

You can be a great member of society WITHOUT having to do so in the name or following the word of your God. You can also be an Atheist that, while you may not believe yourself, respect the beliefs of others.

The problem comes when people try to force themselves on others, or embrace dated doctrines that were created at a time when society needed them and people would not follow them unless their god said so.

Simple examples are vaccinations, the eating of pork, holy cows and other beliefs that probably started out as social or political decisions that had the name of god slapped on it and people stopped questioning it. It is like telling a kid "because I said so" when they ask why.

The problems start happening when these beliefs are either forced on others or they start putting the public at risk (vaccinations, you need general cooperation to try and ELIMINATE a disease. Polio is probably one of the best examples of this).

Some of the best religious minds on all fronts for and against are, in many cases, the ones most willing to rationally discuss the origins, social impact, and veracity of many of the tenets of religion. It is only when you get to the sheeple that you start getting people uncomfortable with something that cannot be touched, held, or glued to your dashboard and start yelling at each other as a result.


For a God that believes in loving his fellow man, there sure is a hell of a lot of hate.
 

angminas

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non-christians are an extreme minority in this country. don't ever--for a fucking second--think that your religion is ever being oppressed in this country.

Don't ever for a second think that a majority can't be oppressed.

I hope the very end wasn't too uncomfortable

It was. Don't let your faith blind you into believing in something that never happened. Don't tell yourself fairy tales about how gruesome and miserable cancer is.

I lost both of my parents to cancer. Today is two years since my mother passed, in fact.
 

angminas

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Some of the best religious minds on all fronts for and against are, in many cases, the ones most willing to rationally discuss the origins, social impact, and veracity of many of the tenets of religion. It is only when you get to the sheeple that you start getting people uncomfortable with something that cannot be touched, held, or glued to your dashboard and start yelling at each other as a result.

Yes, there are thinkers and sheeple on every side.

For a God that believes in loving his fellow man, there sure is a hell of a lot of hate.

There are a lot of things I don't understand about God and his ways, but one thing I've learned is that they start to make more sense when I try them. For instance, loving your enemy...sounds ridiculous from a purely selfish, worldly standpoint, but the truth is, it's the only way to destroy fear and hate. It works amazingly well. For instance, when I recently read Mr. Hitchens's article about his illness, I cried. And I wouldn't have it any other way.
 

child of wonder

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Very saddened to see this news, but I told my wife just last night "I expect to wake up any day now and see that he's gone." Just didn't know it would be so soon.

RIP Hitch. Your wit, intelligence, and rhetoric can never be replaced.

I am glad that Richard Dawkins got a chance to sit down and speak with him at length very recently. The interview will appear in the Christmas issue of the New Statesman.
 

slayer202

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&#8220;I personally want to &#8216;do&#8217; death in the active and not the passive,&#8221; he wrote, &#8220;and to be there to look it in the eye and be doing something when it comes for me.&#8221;


let's just ignore the idiotic trolls, don't humor them with responses
 

CLite

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Meh, as an atheist who has absolutely no believe in any fairytales here's my take on Hitchens. He was a bitter man who could never accept the fact that lies and fairytales gave other people solace and comfort, so he turned to alcoholism.

The human mind is a delicate thing, and the desire to produce a big-brother feeling is actually an evolutionary trait, a region of the brain that when subjected to electrical impulses produces divine intervention like experiences.

It's tough to face the inevitable realization that life will come to an end. Either you are enjoying life and want it to continue in some fairytale afterlife, or you are in abject misery (like middle of the Congo) getting raped every day and want there to be some greater meaning to your horrific life experiences. In any case the idea of a big brother gives people in both situations a feeling of comfort and solace. I don't begrudge them that and I hope in my life I don't ever learn to hate such people as deeply as Hitchens did.

Now, I agree with Hitchens that organized religion has many downsides that need to be corrected, but I think between the choices of bitter alcoholics and deluded believers I would rather the majority of people believe in fairytales.
 

WelshBloke

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...It was. Don't let your faith blind you into believing in something that never happened. Don't tell yourself fairy tales about how gruesome and miserable cancer is.


Not necessarily. I've seen a lot of people die from cancer and some have passed away peacefully, others not so.
 

classy

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Why? Jesus will just forgive you if you ask him to and then you'll be in heaven. At least that's how my god said it goes. He was like, lol, come at me bro! And then he was like, don't worry dude, you got VIP passes, and you gonna get you them virgins (and he gives me a wink, cause you know, they "virgins" but they opened up wide for the gee-oh-dee) and we pop-poppin them bottles of bubbly as we rock them cherubs and flap-flap our wings (and you know those wings all blinged out and shining, got that seraphim sheen, straight up ballin dog).


I know its cliche and cool to be a Jesus hater, but its all good.

Like I said, I hope he was right. I don't believe that way, but my believe ain't worth much now. And neither is anyone else's for that matter. But, after that final breath and we die out from this life, I hope you and him are right. You get to live only once, so if you are wrong, ain't gonna be no do overs. There will be no take backs or RMAs. Once that ticket is punched, no belief will be necessary and unfortunately no amount of belief then will be able change what's done. So I hope he was right and maybe myself and many others are wrong.

Death is permanent and the gateway to a never ending state of being. So you better be right.....................
 
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