CL2 or CL3?

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: Noid
http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.php?t=237991&page=3

Even though the results are not as smooth as previous tests, you can see the same trend repeating itself. At higher FSB speeds, with the tRAS value set at 10 or 11, the score actually surpasses a tRAS value of 5 or 6.


raising the tRAS timing of your nForce2 RAM to a high 11 will give better memory performance

You can draw your own conclusions from that muddled mess, but I'm gonna stick my tRAS at 11, which seems to be the overall winner on balance. It doesn't win everything, but it does the best overall in the tests.

Haha, that's funny! Why didn't you post 4 threads proving your point, instead of proving my point? The only mentions of anything less than 200 fsb in any of those threads says that a TRAS of 7 is faster than a TRAS of 11 at 166 fsb. Like I said in my previous post, at anything over 200 fsb, a TRAS of 11 is faster. That's the "accepted" standard for the nForce2 chipset, although, since my memory will run 2-2-2-5 timings up to 230 fsb, I decided to try it for myself. On both of my current nForce2 motherboards, a 194 mhz fsb pretty much came to a tie with a TRAS of 5 or 11, but at 195 and up, 11 was slightly faster than 5.

edit: Oh, I forgot to say that as the fsb went higher, the difference between a TRAS of 5 and 11 became wider, with 11 being faster, of course.

 

[Noid]

Originally posted by: myocardia
With any memory timings, lower is always better (faster).

Your being rather redundant....

He's buying PC3200 ... thats 200fsb memory.

And, most likely,, he will be overclocking,,, (over 200fsb)

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: Noid
Your being rather redundant....

He's buying PC3200 ... thats 200fsb memory.

And, most likely,, he will be overclocking,,, (over 200fsb)

Not only did he never say he would be overclocking, unless he's buying a P4C or a mobile Athlon, there's a very good chance that he won't make it to 200 fsb.:roll:

 

[Noid]

Ok,,, I'm not here to argue with you ...

I've made my point.

And your getting OBTUSE (imo)

Have a nice day,,, try not to take offense to my dialoge.

 

[myocardia]

Your point, Noid, was wrong. Unless you have a fsb approaching 200, a TRAS of 11 isn't faster, it's slower. Oh, and it makes no difference to me what you think, since my MENSA card proves otherwise about my obtuseness.

edit: Oh, I almost forgot, that 195 fsb only applies to ram with a TRAS of 5. With ram that will only do a TRAS of 6, it would be slightly lower (190 fsb would be my guess), and ram that will only do a TRAS of 7 would be even lower still (probably faster at 11 at around 185 fsb).

 

[Zebo]

In the nfs-7 I found tras of 9 to be fastest. How I do this is run memtest 3.1, if you look in the upper left as it loads you'll see what yoou bandwitdh is. Repeat for all tras's 6-12. Which ever gives the highest thoughput is fastest.

In the MN31N and AN35N I found 11 to be fastest.

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: Zebo
In the nfs-7 I found tras of 9 to be fastest. How I do this is run memtest 3.1, if you look in the upper left as it loads you'll see what yoou bandwitdh is. Repeat for all tras's 6-12. Which ever gives the highest thoughput is fastest.

In the MN31N and AN35N I found 11 to be fastest.

Yeah, not only does the ram you have make a difference, the motherboard makes a difference, although my guess is that it's actually which version of the nForce2 chipset the board has that makes the difference, not who actually made the board. Anyone know for sure about that?

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: myocardia

Originally posted by: Zebo
In the nfs-7 I found tras of 9 to be fastest. How I do this is run memtest 3.1, if you look in the upper left as it loads you'll see what yoou bandwitdh is. Repeat for all tras's 6-12. Which ever gives the highest thoughput is fastest.

In the MN31N and AN35N I found 11 to be fastest.

Yeah, not only does the ram you have make a difference, the motherboard makes a difference, although my guess is that it's actually which version of the nForce2 chipset the board has that makes the difference, not who actually made the board. Anyone know for sure about that?

It's also dependant on the other timmings and FSB..gosh so many varibles.

 

[myocardia]

Yeah, for sure. The fsb is the biggest variable though, by far. In my tests, at 166 fsb, a TRAS of 5 killed a TRAS of 11, but at ~230 (I think it was actually 228), 11 killed 5. That was all at 2-2-2-x, though. Like I said before, if you have 2.5-3-3-x memory, you will get different results at lower fsb's, and different results yet again if you have 3-3-3-x or 3-4-4-x memory.

 

[Noid]

Originally posted by: myocardia
Your point, Noid, was wrong. Unless you have a fsb approaching 200

^^^- obtuse (and contradictory)

Originally posted by: myocardia
Oh, and it makes no difference to me what you think, since my MENSA card proves otherwise about my obtuseness.

From MENSA website ...

Mensa has no other eligibility requirements other than IQ testing

(says nothing about how to use your IQ in a logical manner, or social interaction for that matter)

PS.. I appologize for the thread creep

 

[myocardia]

Social interaction doesn't have the slightest thing to do with the word obtuse, idiot. And the only person who is contradicting themselves in this thread is you. I, however, should have been more clear when I made that first statement about ram timings. But, since he didn't feel the need to even tell us what motherboard he is using, I didn't feel the need to write a very long reply. Oh, and let me reiterate, your point was wrong, since fsb plays a major role in whether or not a TRAS of 11 is faster with an nForce2 chipset.

 

[Noid]

THIS is an Idiot

Your assumptions make me laugh.

Others argue that IQ testing is unnecessarily narrow and have proposed wider testing that covers emotional/social intelligence, creativity, artistic intelligence, etc. An extreme argument along these lines states that "one's IQ is merely a measure of how good one is at doing IQ tests." While this is inherently almost a truism it conveys the impression that either there is no correlation with actual IQ, or that the concept of IQ is meaningless.

 

[myocardia]

You're right, Noid, that definition of an idiot applies to you.

 

[Noid]

Free Online IQ test

All in Fun ... Try it

You should do MUCH better than me ...
(Idiot to MENSA ratio)

I try this one later ...

ooo ... another one

 

[Gamingphreek]

Hey guys cut that sh!t out now! This thread is not for flame wars take it to PM or dont do it. OK!!

I cant get memtest to work on mine... can anyone get me a link to one. Im having a bit of internet troubles at the time .

-Kevin

 

[Kryai]

Just took that test where you got an IQ of 131...

It seems that I too had scored a 131, now perhaps thats pure coincidence, but my knowledge of sites that do indeed claim to test your IQ, want your money for thier detailed analysis, and perhaps a score of 131 is high enough to produce intrigue and not as much suspicion as to have recieved an inflated score.

Nonetheless, it seems the true battle isnt about online IQ scores but online penis sizes... I'd hope that those of higher IQ would know that pointless anger and posturing further no real objectives on a message board.

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Hey guys cut that sh!t out now! This thread is not for flame wars take it to PM or dont do it. OK!!

I cant get memtest to work on mine... can anyone get me a link to one. Im having a bit of internet troubles at the time .

-Kevin

What would having internet troubles have to do with you not being able to run Memtest? Are you saying that you can't download it?

 

[Gamingphreek]

Yeah i couldn't downloadd it. Sry should have cleared that up a bit.

-Kevin

 

[rogue1979]

original post:

I am getting new RAM but im not sure what the diference is between Corsair Value Select 512mb PC3200 DDR400Mhz CL2 or Corsair Value Select 512mb PC3200 DDR400Mhz CL3. Which one is better? The CL3 costs more, but is it better for gaming? And why?

Since no more details are given it would be reasonable to answer on the basis of the stock speed of the memory. Therefore tRAS 11 would likely be the fastest.

With any memory timings, lower is always better (faster). WRONG based on the limited information given.

Not only did he never say he would be overclocking, unless he's buying a P4C or a mobile Athlon, there's a very good chance that he won't make it to 200 fsb.

How do you know he isn't using a 3200+ or an 800MHz fsb P4? Both are quite common.

myocardia, why do you have to keep bringing up MENSA?, Feeling inadequate?

Since MENSA isn't teaching you any manners or much of anything else, I'll clue you in on an a little observation. Your rude posts sure aren't helping your credibility or popularity on this forum.