Steel made without coke is specialty steel... It is not the same quality of steel used for building and concrete applications. Nor will it ever produce the quantity needed to replace all our roads, bridges, and concrete buildings every 30 years.
Stop with your fantasy pipe dreams.
Fuck the dumb hill people. Everyone thinks it. At least I say it.
What % of coal mined goes to those things compared to what has been going to creating electricity? Or other alternative uses (i.e. alternative to those relatively essential uses you recite, e.g. running engines?).Because a world without Coal and Coal Derivitives is a Dystopian stone Age.
Because... you can't live without steel. things like Buildings, Roadways, Bridges, (Pretty much everything that is a concrete structure), Trains & Ships, Light and Heavy Motorized Vehicles, Motorized Excavation, Lifting, and Farm Equipment are all made from Steel.
Because you can't live without coal derivatives... coke, gases, tars, acids, light oils, plastics, and many common chemicals/medicines - salicylic acid, nitro phenol, picric acid, benzol (which is responsible for a whole range of modern pharmaceuticals), etc.
This is...entirely meaningless.
I think you'll find vengeance is a bitter harvest.
I am for those who seek to redeem this nation, and yes that means !@#$ing those people over politically. To wrest political power from them. But it is also to help them, as well as ourselves. All Americans need to partake in the bounty for us to make peace. To dispel the demons of trickle down leadership.
He can fix anything with a Sharpie.I guess the President needs to tweet about it to fix the lack of demand for steel.
Let’s keep our fingers crossed the President has enough time to tweet about the problem.
US production of thermal coal versus met coal:
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Like I'd be stunned if we need more than a few hundred people total to satisfy domestic demand for coking coal. Even still in the coming decades steel producers will be phasing it out in favor of hydrogen. A lot of steel mills don't even need this since a large and growing portion of US demand is satisfied by electric mini-mills turning scrap into new product.
Steel made without coke is specialty steel... It is not the same quality of steel used for building and concrete applications. Nor will it ever produce the quantity needed to replace all our roads, bridges, and concrete buildings every 30 years.
Stop with your fantasy pipe dreams.
So back in 13 these guys from MIT came up with another method that doesn’t create CO2 for making high quality steel.
http://news.mit.edu/2013/steel-without-greenhouse-gas-emissions-0508
The new process even carries a couple of nice side benefits: The resulting steel should be of higher purity, and eventually, once the process is scaled up, cheaper. Donald Sadoway, the John F. Elliott Professor of Materials Chemistry at MIT and senior author of a new paper describing the process, says this could be a significant “win, win, win” proposition.
This year Bill Gates is funding them.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/fortune.com/2019/01/09/boston-metal/amp/
A venture capital firm led by Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates has invested in a startup that is trying to significantly cut carbon emissions from steel manufacturing.
Breakthrough Energy Ventures led a $20 millionfunding round in Boston Metal, which is developing a process to reduce carbon emissions in steel making by using electricity instead of traditional pollution-heavy techniques.
So when it comes to innovation and progress I’ll trust the “wisdom” of MIT engineers and venture capitalists like Gates over conservatives any day.
Yah, gimme my humberger.Edumacated Northern Liberals....bah
All the derivatives you mentioned come from cracking oil feedstocks, not typically coal.Because a world without Coal and Coal Derivitives is a Dystopian stone Age.
Because... you can't live without steel. things like Buildings, Roadways, Bridges, (Pretty much everything that is a concrete structure), Trains & Ships, Light and Heavy Motorized Vehicles, Motorized Excavation, Lifting, and Farm Equipment are all made from Steel.
Because you can't live without coal derivatives... coke, gases, tars, acids, light oils, plastics, and many common chemicals/medicines - salicylic acid, nitro phenol, picric acid, benzol (which is responsible for a whole range of modern pharmaceuticals), etc.
My nephew in law works at Evraz Steel in Pueblo, CO. They use recycled steel exclusively to make a variety of products-
Wire Rod and Coiled Reinforcing Bar - EVRAZ North America
www.evrazna.com
As you say, there is demand for metallugical coal, which doesn't have the same properties as thermal coal. It's a small % of all coal mined in the world.
An even bigger worry for a lot of people is how they'll survive in retirement. Lots of people just work until they die, same as it's ever been. Just about the time a lot of families are getting over the last catastrophe wrought by economic forces beyond their control they get hit by another. One of the things I saw working for the local transit company for decades was people coming in who'd been beat up- by the interest rates in the early 80's, by the S&L crash, the Tech bust, the housing bubble, restructuring of the airlines, being consolidated, right sized, down sized offshored, automated, outsourced & sold out so many times it makes my head spin.
That trickle down thing doesn't work for shit for a lot of people.
Structural Concrete requires grade 75 or 80 to meet code.
Evraz North American maxes out at grade 60.
Which doesn't explain the use of of Evraz steel to reinforce the Seattle tunnel as shown in the link.
I can sympathize with frustration that these people routinely refuse to help themselves by electing representatives that actually would protect their interests instead of engaging in cultural and political food fights while their safety nets and livelihoods evaporate with no help in sight. I mean at this point I feel sorry for them but they've made the same choices repeatedly...they don't want no saving.
They're often poorly educated & readily deceived. ...
Sympathies, but they should also help themselves and others and stop voting GOP.