College counselors are stupid

[slsmnaz]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: dullard
BlancoNino, I truely hope you don't let your ego get the better of you. You failed in the past, you might fail again. Sure, you can do better, but your track record says otherwise.

Do you really need 15 credits this semester? Do you really need to work 30 hours/week? Honestly, do you need either of those? Are you willing to give up most of your social life? If you answer yes to all of those, then go ahead and work 30 hours and take 15 hours of class. But, remember, you are probabally failing at life if you do so. Your focus will be wrong. Life isn't about rushing college or giving up your social life so you can work during college.

If looking out for your overall well-being makes your counselor stupid, then she is stupid. But at least you have someone looking out for you. Don't take it for granted. Instead, learn to cherish the people in life that look out for you.

I take 17-20 credits a term, work 40-45 hours, and I'm the president of the volleyball team...and I still have a social life! Its not that big a deal. Maybe his school has some asinine policy of suspending you if you fail a class, that's just stupid.

I would say you have to fail more than one to get suspended.

WTF is President of the volleyball team?? You mean the vb club?

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: Deeko
I take 17-20 credits a term, work 40-45 hours, and I'm the president of the volleyball team...and I still have a social life! Its not that big a deal. Maybe his school has some asinine policy of suspending you if you fail a class, that's just stupid.

And you failed a class. And no matter how you cut it, you have 40-45 hours less social life than people who aren't working full time.

Well to be fair, I failed on a technicality. I got a 0 on a test while I was away for volleyball nationals. But even still, failing ONE class in a college career does not mean you are inept and can't handle a college schedule, its one class out of what, 50-60 that you take?

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: Deeko
I take 17-20 credits a term, work 40-45 hours, and I'm the president of the volleyball team...and I still have a social life! Its not that big a deal. Maybe his school has some asinine policy of suspending you if you fail a class, that's just stupid.

And you failed a class. And no matter how you cut it, you have 40-45 hours less social life than people who aren't working full time.

Do you notice a pattern that the 3 people in this thread who said it is no big deal also failed classes?

no sh!t, we've been there and realize that you can fail a class and it doesn't mean you can't handle college, pretty clear actually.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: slsmnaz

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: dullard
BlancoNino, I truely hope you don't let your ego get the better of you. You failed in the past, you might fail again. Sure, you can do better, but your track record says otherwise.

Do you really need 15 credits this semester? Do you really need to work 30 hours/week? Honestly, do you need either of those? Are you willing to give up most of your social life? If you answer yes to all of those, then go ahead and work 30 hours and take 15 hours of class. But, remember, you are probabally failing at life if you do so. Your focus will be wrong. Life isn't about rushing college or giving up your social life so you can work during college.

If looking out for your overall well-being makes your counselor stupid, then she is stupid. But at least you have someone looking out for you. Don't take it for granted. Instead, learn to cherish the people in life that look out for you.

I take 17-20 credits a term, work 40-45 hours, and I'm the president of the volleyball team...and I still have a social life! Its not that big a deal. Maybe his school has some asinine policy of suspending you if you fail a class, that's just stupid.

I would say you have to fail more than one to get suspended.

WTF is President of the volleyball team?? You mean the vb club?

Yes, it is a club team, your point? Its still a lot of work, on top of practices. I'm also an officer within my fraternity. Point is, I do a lot, and you can do a lot and have a social life.

 

[waggy]

part of the OPs story is not correct. failing 1 class does not put you on probabtion. it usually takes getting a GPA UNDER 2.0 for a semester with a full course load.

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: Deeko
no sh!t, we've been there and realize that you can fail a class and it doesn't mean you can't handle college, pretty clear actually.

Who ever said if you fail a class that you can't handle college?

 

[Baked]

You're gonna fail all your classes and get STD from a squirrel. Enjoy.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: Deeko
no sh!t, we've been there and realize that you can fail a class and it doesn't mean you can't handle college, pretty clear actually.

Who ever said if you fail a class that you can't handle college?

Well, everyone saying that the advisor is right and that he should only take 6 credits implies that.

 

[slsmnaz]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: Deeko
no sh!t, we've been there and realize that you can fail a class and it doesn't mean you can't handle college, pretty clear actually.

Who ever said if you fail a class that you can't handle college?

Well, everyone saying that the advisor is right and that he should only take 6 credits implies that.

Re-read the OP. He was placed on academic suspension which implies he failed more than 1 class. As waggy pointed out, it usually takes a GPA below 2.0 for that to happen at most schools. One class would not be an issue but below 2.0 shows a pattern of not being able to handle the full class load.

 

[KLin]

Originally posted by: slsmnaz

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: Deeko
no sh!t, we've been there and realize that you can fail a class and it doesn't mean you can't handle college, pretty clear actually.

Who ever said if you fail a class that you can't handle college?

Well, everyone saying that the advisor is right and that he should only take 6 credits implies that.

Re-read the OP. He was placed on academic suspension which implies he failed more than 1 class. As waggy pointed out, it usually takes a GPA below 2.0 for that to happen at most schools. One class would not be an issue but below 2.0 shows a pattern of not being able to handle the full class load.

Sounds like this would be settled by the OP coming clean with how he did during the Spring semester.

 

[ActuaryTm]

The obvious answer is to quit school, and deliver pizzas for the rest of your life.

I hear the tips are excellent.

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: Deeko
Well, everyone saying that the advisor is right and that he should only take 6 credits implies that.

Why does saying "take it slow and steady" imply that he "can't handle college"? If we thought he couldn't handle college, then we would give him advice to quit. But that isn't even close to what I or the counselor said.

Sure there are a few jokes in this thread, but I think they were intended as jokes and not serious statements that he can't handle college.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

BlancoNino can't seem to understand what the counselor said. The 45 hours a week was arrived at by taking one class for 5 credits plus two hours of homework a night plus thirty hours of work a week. Thats five hours of class plus five times two hours plus thirty hours of work equals a total of 45 hours. GET IT? If you think two hours of homework a night for a 5 credit class is too much you WILL fail.

Get over yourself, listen to the guidence counselors advice and, prove you can do the work.

 

[EmperorIQ]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: Deeko
no sh!t, we've been there and realize that you can fail a class and it doesn't mean you can't handle college, pretty clear actually.

Who ever said if you fail a class that you can't handle college?

Well, everyone saying that the advisor is right and that he should only take 6 credits implies that.

No, I get where you're coming from Deeko. I took on a lot on college, my gpa was below 3.0, but I was a very active person in college, officer of 3 clubs, job, and research, etc etc.

However, it looks like, in general, everyone in this thread is trying to point out to the OP that the counselor isn't an idiot but she/he is just watching out for the OP. OP should probably listen to advices from counselors, they've worked their jobs for a long time and have seen the same thing everyear. Based on their experience they most likely know what they are talking about.

 

[Icanoutsmokeany1]

Sounds like she wanted to make it easier on you to make grades and work. You have to show actions and then maybe you can earn more classes.

 

[pray4mojo]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Did you guys not read the whole 45 hours a week thing? It's ridiculous. No class gives that much homework. I've proven I can take more than 6 credits at a time without any problem. Like I said, it has nothing to do with my job, just me not being motivated to do the homework. But she continues to use my job as an excuse to downsize my credits.

What? The norm is 1.5-2 hours of homework for every hour you spend in class. So 10 hours of homework a week for a 5 hour class sounds about right.

Who really sticks to this norm?

 

[jmcoreymv]

Originally posted by: pray4mojo

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Did you guys not read the whole 45 hours a week thing? It's ridiculous. No class gives that much homework. I've proven I can take more than 6 credits at a time without any problem. Like I said, it has nothing to do with my job, just me not being motivated to do the homework. But she continues to use my job as an excuse to downsize my credits.

What? The norm is 1.5-2 hours of homework for every hour you spend in class. So 10 hours of homework a week for a 5 hour class sounds about right.

Who really sticks to this norm?

Seriously, its usually been about an hour/week per 4-unit class for me.

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: pray4mojo
Who really sticks to this norm?

Many professors give enough work to surpass that norm. Most professors give less work. It all boils down to what classes you take and from whom.

Majoring in underwater basket weaving will have a different class load than chemical engineering for example. I chose chemical engineering as an example since it is an extremely easy major but that typically has lots of long homework.

Also, remember that 2 hour guideline is for weeks in which you are cramming for a test.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: pray4mojo

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Did you guys not read the whole 45 hours a week thing? It's ridiculous. No class gives that much homework. I've proven I can take more than 6 credits at a time without any problem. Like I said, it has nothing to do with my job, just me not being motivated to do the homework. But she continues to use my job as an excuse to downsize my credits.

What? The norm is 1.5-2 hours of homework for every hour you spend in class. So 10 hours of homework a week for a 5 hour class sounds about right.

Who really sticks to this norm?

I guess it depends on the class and college. when i was in college i was close to 1.5 hours per hour etc.

 

[imported_Imp]

To get suspended definately means the GPA was too low, but it doesn't have to mean more than 1 class was failed. At my College, you get put on probation for a 55-60% average, but 'suspended' for 50-55% and less. Anyways, the counsellor is definately trying to be helpful, and it's pretty stupid to call her/him stupid. I fuxxor3d a whole semester during first year due to lack of motivation and WoW (addiction). Came back last year to be among the top quarter of the class.

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Did you guys not read the whole 45 hours a week thing? It's ridiculous. No class gives that much homework. I've proven I can take more than 6 credits at a time without any problem. Like I said, it has nothing to do with my job, just me not being motivated to do the homework. But she continues to use my job as an excuse to downsize my credits.

What? The norm is 1.5-2 hours of homework for every hour you spend in class. So 10 hours of homework a week for a 5 hour class sounds about right.

And anybody who's been to college knows that's not even remotely close to the actual amount. I've gotten A's and B's in classes (not PE classes either) where I've done an average of 5-10 minutes of homework a night. Junior colleges are way different.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Did you guys not read the whole 45 hours a week thing? It's ridiculous. No class gives that much homework. I've proven I can take more than 6 credits at a time without any problem. Like I said, it has nothing to do with my job, just me not being motivated to do the homework. But she continues to use my job as an excuse to downsize my credits.

What? The norm is 1.5-2 hours of homework for every hour you spend in class. So 10 hours of homework a week for a 5 hour class sounds about right.

And anybody who's been to college knows that's not even remotely close to the actual amount. I've gotten A's and B's in classes (not PE classes either) where I've done an average of 5-10 minutes of homework a night. Junior colleges are way different.

ahh wait until you hit a real college.

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: dullard
BlancoNino, I truely hope you don't let your ego get the better of you. You failed in the past, you might fail again. Sure, you can do better, but your track record says otherwise.

Do you really need 15 credits this semester? Do you really need to work 30 hours/week? Honestly, do you need either of those? Are you willing to give up most of your social life? If you answer yes to all of those, then go ahead and work 30 hours and take 15 hours of class. But, remember, you are probabally failing at life if you do so. Your focus will be wrong. Life isn't about rushing college or giving up your social life so you can work during college.

If looking out for your overall well-being makes your counselor stupid, then she is stupid. But at least you have someone looking out for you. Don't take it for granted. Instead, learn to cherish the people in life that look out for you.

Yes I do need 15 credits. I need 45 credits to graduate and anything less in the next 3 quarters will leave me taking summer classes and graduating and trying to transfer to a University late. I'm on a schedule here. My main point is that I screwed up Spring quarter, but showed that I could do much better in summer quarter. She wants me to do the same in fall quarter, but I say that's stupid because I've already shown her that I can handle it. Just 1 slip-up.

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
And anybody who's been to college knows that's not even remotely close to the actual amount. I've gotten A's and B's in classes (not PE classes either) where I've done an average of 5-10 minutes of homework a night. Junior colleges are way different.

5-10 minutes studying for a test? No wonder you failed.

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: waggy
part of the OPs story is not correct. failing 1 class does not put you on probabtion. it usually takes getting a GPA UNDER 2.0 for a semester with a full course load.

yes and getting an F and a B will put you under that 2.0.