You aren't a partisan, for the simple fact that you are willing to criticize your "team." Again, you are not using the term partisan correctly. That's just the way it is....
Again, if you are baldly stating that one team is evil, you have a team. Pretending otherwise just makes you look dishonest and/or stupid. There is almost no one here who blindly defends their team no matter what, because almost no one agrees with any party 100% of the time. I for instance have "a team", the right. Even though I disagree with probably 60% of everything the Republicans do and stand for, even though I've been coming down on the left (or at least with the Democrats) on most issues lately, the right is the side with which I most align myself. (Not counting the Libertarians, with whom I share more positions but also have fundamental differences.) I could easily profess my nonpartisan status based on environmental issues, gay marriage, Obama's Syrian performance, parts of Obamacare and a host of other issues.
It would however be dishonest for me to do so, and smart people would think me either stupid enough to believe I'm non-partisan, or at the least stupid enough to believe that other people will believe it. It's the Internet so there's really no down side to me if others think I'm stupid, but there's no particular reason for me to be dishonest either. There are relatively few people on these forums (or any political forums) who don't really have a side - Hayabusa Rider comes immediately to mind, and BoberFett - and those who don't have a preferred side tend to either be arguing politics mainly on the force of one or two issues, or else they're libertarians or anarchists who hate both parties roughly equally and want a place to say so.
I'm not asking for any heat. Just some creativity, and more importantly, make sure you're right before you use them.As to the insults, they aren't supposed to have any heat. Just my way of saying "dumb ass", don't mean nothin'. They are my version "Jane, you ignorant slut." If I ever think you really need insulting, I'll work harder, I promise.
Let me ask you this, but keep in mind that I'm still not advocating any action against Syria:You say you aren't apologizing. Good imitation. Shira isn't out for blood. He didn't care a bit either way. He doesn't want Syrians killed. He just doesn't care if we kill them. He's an indifferent murderer. His "good intentions" explicitly involving Syria and guess who lives there? Syrians. Assad is responsible? Perhaps. He's gone? Nope. But he doesn't care. He want's an example, like Tex. Tex really doesn't hate Iraqis either.
So without compelling evidence that Assad ordered the strikes, Shira said killing was the right thing to do, and don't say that "strike" doesn't mean just that. You know it does.
If Assad was responsible, killing Syrians punishes him. OK, if you think so. It prevents others from doing the same. Really? Ok, how many Syrians are worth the evidence you have for that? Will Assad have been removed? No. So what happens? Maybe a couple hundred more are killed, but not one with a chemical weapons, assuming that it was Assad to begin with. How comforting.
I am at least honest enough to not defend those of either side who call or called for killing Syrians based on "example" or some perceived notion that we're right on the face of it for murder, but others are wrong, at least if they use chemical weapons. You purposefully ignore his saying that we who oppose that are wrong, that Obama should have killed although none of his contentions could be backed up, but instead that we're entitled to be skeptical because of Bush, but apparently we should have faith and accept Obama. Might as well, because w are ignorant and deserve to be ignored.
That's the part you like to miss.
In shira's defense, he may be more like me, not particularly wanting war but willing to take the President's word that he solemnly judges this action to be the best taken. Remember, while war is a horrible thing, it's not the most horrible thing in this world. Syrians are going to die whether or not we strike, and there's no guarantee that by not striking we won't allow even more misery.
Personally I'm glad we didn't strike because I'm not convinced we even have the right culprit, and on a purely selfish note I'd like to keep my country out of any fight between a rate and a snake. But at the same time, I recognize that Presidents not only have access to more (and hopefully, much better) intel, but must also think about international consequences. If I don't strike, will I embolden another dictator to use chemical weapons? This is why on Syria as with Iraq, I'm willing to accept whatever decision the President makes, realizing that as a nobody on the Internet I am free to ignore things that were I President I morally would have to consider. I do not think that Presidents take lightly the decision to strike or to commit military forces.
You aren't being treated the same way now. You are in the vast majority when it comes to action on Syria. You have some sort of victim complex going here.I lived longer than many here and have seen my share of deaths by faith. We had faith that the Communists in SE Asia had to be taken down or we'd be speaking russian/chinese right now. I've seen faith in a war where we leave one caused by an attack on us to get a leader which was greatly disliked and effectively framed for it. I saw a country collapse as a result, a million or more die as a result of our faith in a President. I've seen much more I'm not ever going to speak about.
I have no doubt that you are correct. He has faith that his favored leader is making the right decisions for the right reasons. That is a horrible way to act in a society which pretends to be free or have a connection with democracy.
When I was a kid I had a great teacher who was a raging leftist. I loved the guy and I learned something from him I've always practiced. "Question Authority". How many live have been lost because we did not? We have people who look down on religion, but adopt a faith in politicians which submit has caused more deaths in recent times than any church. Faith in Bush. Faith in Obama. Not that either schemes to be evil, but there are political pressures to act in some ways, there are personal agendas which lead to blindness. There are errors in judgment and understanding, all things which are a basis for questioning.
I'm picking Obama because that's who's in charge now and Syria is or was our chosen place of death. Obama says Assad was responsible. Where is the evidence that Assad ordered the strike? Where? Killing Syrians where chemical weapons will stop others from using them. Well where's the evidence? What rational basis of proof do you have? So the answer is we kill and hope and trust.
Going back to Bush I watch a nation of great faith. The Democrats as well as the republicans. Moonbeam, Harvey, and myself and perhaps a few others questioned. We were treated like I've been now. "We're saving lives by doing this." "Our ends justify our means". On and on it went. We heard about "aluminum tubes". Where was the public questioning? They had faith. The press? It had faith as well.
Political faith is the enemy of life and liberty. Every major action by our representatives ought to be examined with a critical and skeptical eye. Only once it passes muster should we approve.
He may have had good intentions, but if we had acted as he wanted we would have paved the road of good intentions with the blood of others. That is what I chiefly despise.
Let me ask you this, but keep in mind that I'm still not advocating any action against Syria:
If the only people killed by US airstrikes were Syrian military, would that be in any way justifiable? What if some of the ones killed were the ones who obeyed orders to use the chems in the first place, assuming that Assad did in fact order the chem use?
Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends.
Can't argue with any of that.I lived longer than many here and have seen my share of deaths by faith. We had faith that the Communists in SE Asia had to be taken down or we'd be speaking russian/chinese right now. I've seen faith in a war where we leave one caused by an attack on us to get a leader which was greatly disliked and effectively framed for it. I saw a country collapse as a result, a million or more die as a result of our faith in a President. I've seen much more I'm not ever going to speak about.
I have no doubt that you are correct. He has faith that his favored leader is making the right decisions for the right reasons. That is a horrible way to act in a society which pretends to be free or have a connection with democracy.
When I was a kid I had a great teacher who was a raging leftist. I loved the guy and I learned something from him I've always practiced. "Question Authority". How many live have been lost because we did not? We have people who look down on religion, but adopt a faith in politicians which submit has caused more deaths in recent times than any church. Faith in Bush. Faith in Obama. Not that either schemes to be evil, but there are political pressures to act in some ways, there are personal agendas which lead to blindness. There are errors in judgment and understanding, all things which are a basis for questioning.
I'm picking Obama because that's who's in charge now and Syria is or was our chosen place of death. Obama says Assad was responsible. Where is the evidence that Assad ordered the strike? Where? Killing Syrians where chemical weapons will stop others from using them. Well where's the evidence? What rational basis of proof do you have? So the answer is we kill and hope and trust.
Going back to Bush I watch a nation of great faith. The Democrats as well as the republicans. Moonbeam, Harvey, and myself and perhaps a few others questioned. We were treated like I've been now. "We're saving lives by doing this." "Our ends justify our means". On and on it went. We heard about "aluminum tubes". Where was the public questioning? They had faith. The press? It had faith as well.
Political faith is the enemy of life and liberty. Every major action by our representatives ought to be examined with a critical and skeptical eye. Only once it passes muster should we approve.
He may have had good intentions, but if we had acted as he wanted we would have paved the road of good intentions with the blood of others. That is what I chiefly despise.
Well I think we can both agree that war should be the absolute last option on the table regarding any issue. I honestly have no idea what should be done about the Syria situation and don't envy Obama's position one bit.I understand you aren't for war and I think I've been too harsh on you but life presents many faces, some not to pretty to look at. It influences our perceptions and I'm no different. My apologies.
Let me answer you this way. Would I agree that some may need to die in order to prevent the deaths of others? Yes I would. Do I like that I just said that? No. I think this a very good line from LOTR
What of us then (and that would be all of us including those in power) who are not among "the very wise"? We "think" we may be stopping Assad. We "think" he was responsible. We hope we aren't killing the wrong people. I don't see how those who aren't responsible whoever they are can be separated by guilt for execution. What we're left with is the reality of what happens to people who are the victims. They die and it always leaves scars on others. There are many who deserve death. I have a hard time being a judge when it involves inflicting it on those who do not merit death. How can one restore a father or mother or child to a family? The world does not permit abstract deadly action, it is real and demands a harsh price. I am not one who is worthy to extract it from others. Maybe not a direct answer, but I don't know how to answer something that I see as not being possible.
As an unbiased middle of the road moderate, I must say that the level of discourse from the left is much more erudite and informed than that of the right.
No, your meter is fine. You are broken. Don't you have some prepping to do?Ummm... yea and stuff. I would peg you a lot farther left than you see yourself, though, and you also seem to dwell in the less erudite and informed portion of the left.
Was your post intended to be sarcastic, and is my meter broken?
Hey dank69, is this you?
http://www.howaboutwe.com/users/dank69
It says you're gay and have no dates. No dates...? With your easygoing sunshiny personality I'm really surprised.
Lol boomer, there are probably 1000 dank69s across the intertubes. That guy is much better looking than I am.
Are you capable of being honest for two fucking seconds?
I know. I am "all the trolls."Because they are all you.
Thanks sweetie. :wub:And you underestimate how good you look with a tight ball gag in your mouth, honey.
I'll try, but I'll need you to quote some of my dishonesty so I can go back and fix it.You first, why not set an example?
I lived longer than many here and have seen my share of deaths by faith. We had faith that the Communists in SE Asia had to be taken down or we'd be speaking russian/chinese right now. I've seen faith in a war where we leave one caused by an attack on us to get a leader which was greatly disliked and effectively framed for it. I saw a country collapse as a result, a million or more die as a result of our faith in a President. I've seen much more I'm not ever going to speak about.
I have no doubt that you are correct. He has faith that his favored leader is making the right decisions for the right reasons. That is a horrible way to act in a society which pretends to be free or have a connection with democracy.
When I was a kid I had a great teacher who was a raging leftist. I loved the guy and I learned something from him I've always practiced. "Question Authority". How many live have been lost because we did not? We have people who look down on religion, but adopt a faith in politicians which submit has caused more deaths in recent times than any church. Faith in Bush. Faith in Obama. Not that either schemes to be evil, but there are political pressures to act in some ways, there are personal agendas which lead to blindness. There are errors in judgment and understanding, all things which are a basis for questioning.
I'm picking Obama because that's who's in charge now and Syria is or was our chosen place of death. Obama says Assad was responsible. Where is the evidence that Assad ordered the strike? Where? Killing Syrians where chemical weapons will stop others from using them. Well where's the evidence? What rational basis of proof do you have? So the answer is we kill and hope and trust.
Going back to Bush I watch a nation of great faith. The Democrats as well as the republicans. Moonbeam, Harvey, and myself and perhaps a few others questioned. We were treated like I've been now. "We're saving lives by doing this." "Our ends justify our means". On and on it went. We heard about "aluminum tubes". Where was the public questioning? They had faith. The press? It had faith as well.
Political faith is the enemy of life and liberty. Every major action by our representatives ought to be examined with a critical and skeptical eye. Only once it passes muster should we approve.
He may have had good intentions, but if we had acted as he wanted we would have paved the road of good intentions with the blood of others. That is what I chiefly despise.
No, your meter is fine. You are broken. Don't you have some prepping to do?
I tell you I am all the trolls and you counter by telling me I am a troll. :hmm:I believe everyone here sees you as a troll but yourself, yet you seem fine with that. Sounds good to me, too.
LOL +1He's hot, I would hit that ass. After I put a tight ball gag in his mouth to stop the shit stream of BS that pours from it. Too bad that's also probably someones pic he stole just to lure gay strangers into his dank foreclosure basement.
Wasn't so bad? It rocked. Best thing I've read today. Nothing like some bondage humor to liven up a bad day.Honestly both sections seem about the same, except the people in the other section are more polite. Is it worth the alienation? The kind of thing just witnessed above (or, err, behind?), in the odd exchanges about bondage or something. Wasn't so bad, was it? Even if the other section is twice as... productive, it's got far fewer workers. And everyone given enough opportunity to make statements is bound to state something worthwhile. I hope.
For what it's worth, I don't consider you a troll.I tell you I am all the trolls and you counter by telling me I am a troll. :hmm:
I tell you I am all the trolls and you counter by telling me I am a troll. :hmm:
LOL +1
Wasn't so bad? It rocked. Best thing I've read today. Nothing like some bondage humor to liven up a bad day.
I'm considering adding random ball gag references to my drawings.
For what it's worth, I don't consider you a troll.
Well, it was still funny to me, although granted I didn't look at the link so SlickSnake's gag was somewhat new to me. We all have to ability though to decide how to take something; we don't HAVE to be offended or see it as a way of scoring some sort of moral superiority points which don't even exist, but your point is probably accurate given some evident bad blood pre-existing this thread.Humor is fine, but was it really appropriate for boomerang to go there or SlickSnake to keep the 'joke' up long after it wasn't funny anymore?
It seems more like a cheap shot to score some sort of moral superiority points for no real reason. It adds nothing to the conversation and, as you can see, just becomes a sideshow distraction.
Well, it was still funny to me, although granted I didn't look at the link so SlickSnake's gag was somewhat new to me. We all have to ability though to decide how to take something; we don't HAVE to be offended or see it as a way of scoring some sort of moral superiority points which don't even exist, but your point is probably accurate given some evident bad blood pre-existing this thread.
Thanks....
For what it's worth, I don't consider you a troll.
When does your episode of Doomsday Preppers air?Sweetie, you came into my thread about sleeping sheeple, trolled it and me, then refused to back up your bull shit. That makes you a troll in my book.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2338378
You aren't even half as funny or witty as you think you are. But young adult males with too much testosterone surging through their veins who think about penis a lot and who don't get laid enough often act out in public like that.