Concealed carry weapon discussion

[3NF]

Originally posted by: XNice
All of this stating the obvious will not work against someone who truly refuses to accept the reality of his upbringing. This is all a waste of time and forum space. Darwin, Amused, others just let him be and let Darwinism take further care of him.

And jesus, people you don't have to quote the entire thread for one statement.

for example,

Originally posted by: 3NF

I think ALL guns should be taken away!

PS - Your 'experience' means nothing to me.

Nothing much means anything to you, especially if it makes logical sense.

The reality of my upbringing? What exactly is that, Drexel boy?

 

[XNice]

Well, its already been said, posted, and typed many times already so if you don't get it by now, I can't help ya. Maybe a degree from Drexel University would help you understand easier. You should call their admissions office, as guns are banned from their campus with only one exception: The rifle club members can bring their rifles to the gun range that is located on campus.

3NF, you are a lost hope. Maybe you should do everyone a favor and leave this thread so we can carry intelligent discussion on the matter of Gun Control.

 

[meltdown75]

This just in: the criminals have taken over Canada.

EVERYBODY RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!!1!1!one

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: meltdown75
This just in: the criminals have taken over Canada.

EVERYBODY RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!!1!1!one

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: meltdown75
This just in: the criminals have taken over Canada.

EVERYBODY RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!!1!1!one

:laugh:

Oh, you know exactly what I mean you tard.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: meltdown75
This just in: the criminals have taken over Canada.

EVERYBODY RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!!1!1!one

:laugh:

Oh, you know exactly what I mean you tard.

No, seriously, I don't. I guess I am a "tard."

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: Amused
Because unlike Canada, most of us in the US get to be on an even level with the criminals.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: Amused
Because unlike Canada, most of us in the US get to be on an even level with the criminals.

Ah, I see.

Canada's gun related crime may be lower than the US, but it is not nonexistent. It was a major campaign issue this election because of high rates in metropolitan areas.

Canada's violent crime rate and homicide rate is lower across the board... suggesting it is a culture difference, not a hardware difference that sets the US and Canada apart when it comes to crime.

 

[adairusmc]

Originally posted by: 3NF

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: 3NF

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: 3NF

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: 3NF

Originally posted by: XNice
I clean them, I bring them to the range to practice my hand eye coordination to supplement the practice I get from pc games. I also keep it on my waist while walking in my hood to give me a peace of mind that I didn't/wouldn't have while walking without. I also use it to scare off would be attackers.

I sometimes listen to rap music and point it at the mirror in an attempt to mimic what I watch on MTV.

That's a lovely picture - you should be on the cover of the NRA or whatever gun magazines exist. I think this clearly epitomizes the mentality of a gun owner.

The difference is, he's kidding and you're not.

That's OK, though. Since your knee-jerk hysteria and equating law abiding gun owners with criminals epitomizes the irrational mentality of gun grabbers.

How am I to know the difference between a law abiding citizen that carries a concealed weapon, from a potential robber or killer that carries a concealed weapon?

The law abiding citizen has a CCW license.

Can you tell me the percentage of CCW license holders that have been convicted of violent gun crimes?

You don't even know, do you? You have no rational reason for your fears.

Finally, what if your best friend/brother/wife got a CCW license? Would they suddenly be a threat to you?

That's the difference? You carry a license? Do you display your license in an obvious place, for others to know that you carry a concealed weapon?

Nope. But for friends I would gladly show them my CCW permit. The whole point of CCW is to not let the criminals know you are carrying.

Do you carry your firearm everywhere? Would you enter a home, let's say of someone you just met, and not tell them that you have a firearm? Or do you wait until they ask if you have a CCW permit?

I carry my firearm into houses of people I have never met all the time. I do not tell them, that would defeat the purpose of the firearm being concealed. I always carry when I have to enter a customers home. I never even bring the subject up.

 

[3NF]

Originally posted by: XNice
Well, its already been said, posted, and typed many times already so if you don't get it by now, I can't help ya. Maybe a degree from Drexel University would help you understand easier. You should call their admissions office, as guns are banned from their campus with only one exception: The rifle club members can bring their rifles to the gun range that is located on campus.

3NF, you are a lost hope. Maybe you should do everyone a favor and leave this thread so we can carry intelligent discussion on the matter of Gun Control.

That really doesn't answer my question. You just presume to know what my upbringing was like, when in fact you don't know anything about me. The single gun incident with my father doesn't equate to an upbringing that was entire hell. I'm from Quakertown and my brother and I BOTH went to Drexel! However, we were smart enough to get out of Philly - although I still love the Eagles.

I was actually robbed (at gun point) on Broad street one night after my drunk friend insisted we stop for a cheese steak after boozing up on South Street. He goes in and we wait in the car. Next thing you know, a pair of thugs come over and stick a gun into the car asking for all our money, cds, and leather jackets. In hindsight, I don't think it was a real gun and I don't think if I had one it would have helped the situation.

Also, the education at Drexel is way overpriced.

 

[XNice]

You are right about leaving philly. I am saving up to do the same, im just glad im not a native like those animals are. You are also right about Drexel being overpriced. Your situation on broad street is common and probably one of the main reasons I carry.

What you are wrong about is the fact that I didn't answer your question. I don't feel like going back in the thread and quoting all of your statements, but as a quick synopisis: your dad was a criminal and gave you a horrible experience to go through. FACT. You're arguments that no one needs a gun. FACT. I know enough to say you cannot remove bias from your perceptions.

 

[3NF]

Originally posted by: adairusmc

I carry my firearm into houses of people I have never met all the time. I do not tell them, that would defeat the purpose of the firearm being concealed. I always carry when I have to enter a customers home. I never even bring the subject up.

And that's legal? If someone asked you leave, or to leave your firearm behind, would you? I think it's pretty disrespectful to enter a person's home and not let them know you have a firearm, but that's just my opinion and I'm sure no one here will agree with it.

 

[adairusmc]

Originally posted by: 3NF

Originally posted by: adairusmc

I carry my firearm into houses of people I have never met all the time. I do not tell them, that would defeat the purpose of the firearm being concealed. I always carry when I have to enter a customers home. I never even bring the subject up.

And that's legal? If someone asked you leave, or to leave your firearm behind, would you? I think it's pretty disrespectful to enter a person's home and not let them know you have a firearm, but that's just my opinion and I'm sure no one here will agree with it.

There is nothing legally preventing me from doing so, unless the customer happens to be a courthouse or in a federal building.

They will never find out, so they will have no reason to ask me to leave. I do not advertise the fact that I am carrying.

 

[XNice]

People always fear what they don't understand. 3NF needs to read his constitution again(for once).

 

[3NF]

Originally posted by: XNice
People always fear what they don't understand. 3NF needs to read his constitution again(for once).

Huh, where is this coming from? I believe my last statement was,

And that's legal? If someone asked you leave, or to leave your firearm behind, would you? I think it's pretty disrespectful to enter a person's home and not let them know you have a firearm, but that's just my opinion and I'm sure no one here will agree with it.

Is reading the constitution going to help me understand and not fear guns?

PS - Saving up money to leave Philly? What, your overpriced education didn't lead to an overpriced job?

 

[fubar569]

I fear anyone that carries a gun because I don't know what you might do with it. How am I to discern you between a potential robber or a law abiding citizen? Or do you pronounce the fact that you carrying a weapon everywhere you go?

If you were to enter my home, packing heat, and didn't inform me that you were then I would just assume you are a threat to my family and ask you to leave. The fact that you are carrying a concealed weapon implies you are a threat. Period.

the whole point of carrying concealed it to keep it that way...concealed. my family knows i have it, and so do my closest one or 2 friends. the intraweb doesnt count as i dont count on meeting many of you in real life...and if i do, i hope the manners and logic you display are far better than you do in here...

so i am a threat...is the officer you are refusing to let enter your home with a gun a threat too? what if he has a warrant? if that case you really dont have a freakin choice. he can carry a bazooka into your house and there isnt a damn thing you can do about it. a gun is part of the job to protect them from other idiots who choose to use thier weapons to harm others. part of the responsibility of being a CCW is knowing when and where to fire. the bank scenario could've gone both ways - without the line of it being a plastic gun - would that change things if you were able to put the robber down without any collateral damage?

and while we're on this topic, i suppose you've banned knives, scissors, pens, straws, string, twine, fising line, sewing needles, and the sunday paper while you're at it? cause surely all those objects in the household would also be capable of inflicting serious bodily injury right? it's not the gun that makes a person a threat...it's the person that makes them a threat...and i hate to say this...but i have to....like your father - his metality and lack of control made him a threat...the gun didnt make him a criminal...neither did the knife...his complete detachment from reality is what made him into the person he was...

so do us a favor and dont take it out on the rest of the world because you happened to see a dose of what actually happens out here on any given day. would you rather have turn and ran if you were capable of fighting? or would you rather use any means nessesary to prevent harm to your mom? maybe someone shoulda posed that question to you sooner...

 

[XNice]

LOL 3NF, you need professional help. I'm washing my hands of you.

 

[3NF]

Originally posted by: fubar569

I fear anyone that carries a gun because I don't know what you might do with it. How am I to discern you between a potential robber or a law abiding citizen? Or do you pronounce the fact that you carrying a weapon everywhere you go?

If you were to enter my home, packing heat, and didn't inform me that you were then I would just assume you are a threat to my family and ask you to leave. The fact that you are carrying a concealed weapon implies you are a threat. Period.

the whole point of carrying concealed it to keep it that way...concealed. my family knows i have it, and so do my closest one or 2 friends. the intraweb doesnt count as i dont count on meeting many of you in real life...and if i do, i hope the manners and logic you display are far better than you do in here...

so i am a threat...is the officer you are refusing to let enter your home with a gun a threat too? what if he has a warrant? if that case you really dont have a freakin choice. he can carry a bazooka into your house and there isnt a damn thing you can do about it. a gun is part of the job to protect them from other idiots who choose to use thier weapons to harm others. part of the responsibility of being a CCW is knowing when and where to fire. the bank scenario could've gone both ways - without the line of it being a plastic gun - would that change things if you were able to put the robber down without any collateral damage?

and while we're on this topic, i suppose you've banned knives, scissors, pens, straws, string, twine, fising line, sewing needles, and the sunday paper while you're at it? cause surely all those objects in the household would also be capable of inflicting serious bodily injury right? it's not the gun that makes a person a threat...it's the person that makes them a threat...and i hate to say this...but i have to....like your father - his metality and lack of control made him a threat...the gun didnt make him a criminal...neither did the knife...his complete detachment from reality is what made him into the person he was...

so do us a favor and dont take it out on the rest of the world because you happened to see a dose of what actually happens out here on any given day. would you rather have turn and ran if you were capable of fighting? or would you rather use any means nessesary to prevent harm to your mom? maybe someone shoulda posed that question to you sooner...

I will not allow anyone to enter my home with a gun. Obviously, if they had a warrant, I don't have a choice. But I do have a choice to allow who enters and what they bring. The thing that really surprises me is that many of you would enter with a concealed weapon, and not even care about it.

As for banning pencils, newspapers, etc. - that's hardly a comparison. You could kill someone with these, but they aren't designed to kill people. The only purpose to manufacture a gun is so that it can be used to kill someone or something - at least that's the only point I see for it.

I'll continue to do and say what I want - the only way you're going to stop me is to shoot me with your gun!

 

[3NF]

Originally posted by: XNice
LOL 3NF, you need professional help. I'm washing my hands of you.

LOL - you explain why so eloquently! You need to get out of Philly - maybe you can go work with Amused in IL and sell sandwiches.

 

[adairusmc]

Originally posted by: 3NF

Originally posted by: fubar569

I fear anyone that carries a gun because I don't know what you might do with it. How am I to discern you between a potential robber or a law abiding citizen? Or do you pronounce the fact that you carrying a weapon everywhere you go?

If you were to enter my home, packing heat, and didn't inform me that you were then I would just assume you are a threat to my family and ask you to leave. The fact that you are carrying a concealed weapon implies you are a threat. Period.

the whole point of carrying concealed it to keep it that way...concealed. my family knows i have it, and so do my closest one or 2 friends. the intraweb doesnt count as i dont count on meeting many of you in real life...and if i do, i hope the manners and logic you display are far better than you do in here...

so i am a threat...is the officer you are refusing to let enter your home with a gun a threat too? what if he has a warrant? if that case you really dont have a freakin choice. he can carry a bazooka into your house and there isnt a damn thing you can do about it. a gun is part of the job to protect them from other idiots who choose to use thier weapons to harm others. part of the responsibility of being a CCW is knowing when and where to fire. the bank scenario could've gone both ways - without the line of it being a plastic gun - would that change things if you were able to put the robber down without any collateral damage?

and while we're on this topic, i suppose you've banned knives, scissors, pens, straws, string, twine, fising line, sewing needles, and the sunday paper while you're at it? cause surely all those objects in the household would also be capable of inflicting serious bodily injury right? it's not the gun that makes a person a threat...it's the person that makes them a threat...and i hate to say this...but i have to....like your father - his metality and lack of control made him a threat...the gun didnt make him a criminal...neither did the knife...his complete detachment from reality is what made him into the person he was...

so do us a favor and dont take it out on the rest of the world because you happened to see a dose of what actually happens out here on any given day. would you rather have turn and ran if you were capable of fighting? or would you rather use any means nessesary to prevent harm to your mom? maybe someone shoulda posed that question to you sooner...

I will not allow anyone to enter my home with a gun. Obviously, if they had a warrant, I don't have a choice. But I do have a choice to allow who enters and what they bring. The thing that really surprises me is that many of you would enter with a concealed weapon, and not even care about it.

Thats your choice.

If one of my customers finds out that I carry, and asks me to leave, then they are instantly ineligible for internet service from my company. Since we are the only broadband provider in this part of the state, that is just too bad for that person.

 

[3NF]

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Thats your choice.

If one of my customers finds out that I carry, and asks me to leave, then they are instantly ineligible for internet service from my company. Since we are the only broadband provider in this part of the state, that is just too bad for that person.

No broadband - that's evil. So you're saying that if someone doesn't approve with the fact that you carry a gun and won't let you enter THEIR HOME because of it, your business will deny them service? Is that part of your service agreement? I can't help but to think that ... umm ... is illegal? Regardless of the legality, it's just lame man.

Sounds like you run a great business. Don't approve of my gun? No service for you!!

 

[adairusmc]

Terms of service can be changed at any time without notice. The point it, we can choose to do business with anyone we like - or choose not to do business with them. If someone had a problem like that, then we can no longer provide service to them. I deny service to people for lesser reasons than that, I am just saying in that situation the customer basically is saying to me that they don't want service from us.

Never have that problem where I live though, people up here generally embrace freedom.

 

[ElMonoDelMar]

Originally posted by: 3NF

No broadband - that's evil. So you're saying that if someone doesn't approve with the fact that you carry a gun and won't let you enter THEIR HOME because of it, your business will deny them service? Is that part of your service agreement? I can't help but to think that ... umm ... is illegal? Regardless of the legality, it's just lame man.

Sounds like you run a great business. Don't approve of my gun? No service for you!!

It's not any worse for the cable company to deny service than it would be for you to deny entrance into your home. Seems like both parties have a mutual agreement to not to business based on that one issue.

 

[XNice]

adairusmc, how come you waste your time? You cannot teach a child multiplication if he doesn't understand addition. Such an complex topic like gun control can never be explained to someone who doesn't understand the basics of personal freedom and responsibility.

The only way trolls leave is if they get ignored....

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: adairusmc
Terms of service can be changed at any time without notice. The point it, we can choose to do business with anyone we like - or choose not to do business with them. If someone had a problem like that, then we can no longer provide service to them. I deny service to people for lesser reasons than that, I am just saying in that situation the customer basically is saying to me that they don't want service from us.

Never have that problem where I live though, people up here generally embrace freedom.

freedom? so imposeing your right ot carry on someones PRIVATE residance is freedom?

while i think 3nf is a nutcase i do agree on this. IF someone does not want a gun in the ho use the person should respect that. To then say since i can't carry in your house we are NOT going to give you internet service is insane. from a business standpoint and one of respect.