Concealed weapons on campus

[ShawnD1]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: ShawnD1

Originally posted by: JD50
The stupid one is the one that thinks that a non lethal weapon is a good way to stop someone with a gun. That's a great way to get yourself shot.

this one time these mafia guys wanted to kill me and they all had guns but i had a broken pool cue and i kicked all their asses

They will not be handing out glocks on orientation day.

i'll lobby to change that

Holy Sh*t Chuck Norris is a member here? Sorry that your boy Huckabee lost.

nah this is Sammo Hung. the asian avatar is a dead giveaway

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Quintox

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Quintox

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Moreover, do you feel uncomfortable everywhere else in the country? Because people carry everywhere else. To give you some idea, if you go to a movie theater in Washington, and there are 200 people in the theater with you, then statistically between 2 and 8 people in there have a gun on them (legally). Remember, everywhere you go in America at least 1 out of a hundred people is legally carrying a gun on them right then.

Yup I do.

Why? Do you plan on robbing a movie theater?

I don't like the fact that a person near me is holding a deadly weapon.

Anyone with even moderate training can kill you quickly and efficiently with whatever is at hand...they really don't need a gun (though it can make it easier). Remember that firearms are used significantly more often to protect life than to take it criminally or accidentally.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Quintox

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Moreover, do you feel uncomfortable everywhere else in the country? Because people carry everywhere else. To give you some idea, if you go to a movie theater in Washington, and there are 200 people in the theater with you, then statistically between 2 and 8 people in there have a gun on them (legally). Remember, everywhere you go in America at least 1 out of a hundred people is legally carrying a gun on them right then.

Yup I do.

Ok, fair enough.

Now then...do you realize that licensed carriers are 5 times less likely to be involved in a violent crime than an average citizen? That's also less often than law enforcement officers (statistically). In other words there's no logical, factual, statistically supportable reason to be uncomfortable over persons with a license carrying.

People fear what they don't understand...therefore it's likely that you're uncomfortable because you don't understand that in reality concealed permit holders are significantly safer to be around than just about anyone else. The key to helping you feel more comfortable in life is to research the facts and come to understand the issues, so that you're no longer afraid/uncomfortable.

That's our main role in SCCC - educate the public.

:thumbsup:

 

[Q]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Hey I'm not 'opposed' to you or anything I was just stating my opinion.

Guns + college students = not good IMO.

I like your 3rd quote in your sig BTW. Good novel, read it a few weeks ago in my English class.

 

[misle]

The fear of firearms is pretty silly. I just finished my CCW training, but I haven't had time to go visit my sheriff to be fingerprinted and have my background check to get my permit.

You need to realize that (in Missouri) you have to be 21 to own a handgun and at least 23 to conceal carry. So, the vast majority of students are not eligible for CCW anyway.

 

[mitchel]

Originally posted by: Quintox

Originally posted by: ric1287

hahaha...what do you do with the tazer? Run up to a guy with a shotgun and hope he doesn't blow a hole in your chest before you can shock him?

People need to remember that allowing CC on campus DOES NOT MEAN that every Joe Frat Guy is going to buy a gun. The same people who have CC in the "normal world" are going to be the ones who carry on campus. They will not be handing out glocks on orientation day.

OK well it doesn't have to be a tazer, whatever other non lethal weapon there is. (lol)

I'm in college now, and I just wouldn't feel comfortable knowing someone is sitting in my classroom with a glock on their side. How would you feel if there was a really, really weird guy in one of your classes and he had one of those? Wouldn't that make you a little nervous?
Anywho, that was just my opinion, I'm not going to 'argue' anymore. I just thought it was interesting.

No. Why would someone carrying a weapon legally make me nervous?

The ones I'm nervous about are the ones that ILLEGALLY bring guns onto campus and then shoot people with it. No laws are going to stop those people from bringing their guns anyways.

So why should law obeying students/citizens not legally be allowed a weapon to defend themself?

 

[mitchel]

Originally posted by: Quintox

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Hey I'm not 'opposed' to you or anything I was just stating my opinion.

Guns + college students = not good IMO.

I like your 3rd quote in your sig BTW. Good novel, read it a few weeks ago in my English class.

Grads + Professors are nonexistant people on campus nowadays. It's all just the underage drunk guys.

^^
Sarcasm.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Quintox

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Hey I'm not 'opposed' to you or anything I was just stating my opinion.

Guns + college students = not good IMO.

I like your 3rd quote in your sig BTW. Good novel, read it a few weeks ago in my English class.

It's no problem at all...it's just my job to be there when anyone mentions us so that I can make sure the facts get into the discussion. Like I said, our main goal is actually education.

It might help to come to accept that 'college student' is not a category that can be used to infer traits of those within it. Not accurately at least. All types of people attend college; old, young, male, female, current military, former military, law enforcement, self-defense experts, the uninformed, etc....all along with the young, aggressive, greek lifestyle people you're thinking of. If you allow yourself to stereotype based on the heading of 'college student' you're doing a disservice to yourself, the students, and the country/world in general.

 

[adairusmc]

Originally posted by: zoiks
Outlaw guns for the public. Anyone caught would be shot down by the police. That'll do the trick.

It will certainly do the trick, if you want another civil war.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Quintox

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Quintox

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Moreover, do you feel uncomfortable everywhere else in the country? Because people carry everywhere else. To give you some idea, if you go to a movie theater in Washington, and there are 200 people in the theater with you, then statistically between 2 and 8 people in there have a gun on them (legally). Remember, everywhere you go in America at least 1 out of a hundred people is legally carrying a gun on them right then.

Yup I do.

Why? Do you plan on robbing a movie theater?

I don't like the fact that a person near me is holding a deadly weapon.

Why?

He doesn't want to get shot while he's robbing them.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: mitchel

Originally posted by: Quintox

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Hey I'm not 'opposed' to you or anything I was just stating my opinion.

Guns + college students = not good IMO.

I like your 3rd quote in your sig BTW. Good novel, read it a few weeks ago in my English class.

Grads + Professors are nonexistant people on campus nowadays. It's all just the underage drunk guys.

^^
Sarcasm.

An interesting tidbit along those lines:

In 1997 47% of college students were over 25. That number has since increased DRASTICALLY. College is no longer about 18-22 years olds.

 

[ShawnD1]

Originally posted by: Quintox
Guns + college students = not good IMO.

I agree that most college students should not carry guns, but that's why concealed weapons generally require some kind of license or testing or something. Random nutcases with their "I'm going to leave the US if Bush wins the election" mentality cannot get a permit.

The crazy people who can't get a license end up stealing guns anyway. Those two kids involved in Columbine didn't buy those guns at a gun store; too young.
Cho Seung-Hui, the Virginia Tech guy, probably bought his guns legally, but he took them to class even though it's against school policy. The policy seems to make sense - people like Cho are dangerous and should not be carrying guns around. The problem is that those crazy people don't listen, so we need to change the rules to deal with that issue.

 

[Q]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
It's no problem at all...it's just my job to be there when anyone mentions us so that I can make sure the facts get into the discussion. Like I said, our main goal is actually education.

It might help to come to accept that 'college student' is not a category that can be used to infer traits of those within it. Not accurately at least. All types of people attend college; old, young, male, female, current military, former military, law enforcement, self-defense experts, the uninformed, etc....all along with the young, aggressive, greek lifestyle people you're thinking of. If you allow yourself to stereotype based on the heading of 'college student' you're doing a disservice to yourself, the students, and the country/world in general.

I know I just am not comfortable with people having guns on campus. I know theoretically it is a 'good' idea in one sense but oh well.

Heh, the whole thread vs Quintox. OK I'm going to eat something now

And JS80 -- grow up.

 

[Chiropteran]

As long as it's illegal to carry guns on campus nobody can use guns to commit crimes on campus!

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Quintox

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
It's no problem at all...it's just my job to be there when anyone mentions us so that I can make sure the facts get into the discussion. Like I said, our main goal is actually education.

It might help to come to accept that 'college student' is not a category that can be used to infer traits of those within it. Not accurately at least. All types of people attend college; old, young, male, female, current military, former military, law enforcement, self-defense experts, the uninformed, etc....all along with the young, aggressive, greek lifestyle people you're thinking of. If you allow yourself to stereotype based on the heading of 'college student' you're doing a disservice to yourself, the students, and the country/world in general.

I know I just am not comfortable with people having guns on campus. I know theoretically it is a 'good' idea in one sense but oh well.

Heh, the whole thread vs Quintox. OK I'm going to eat something now

And JS80 -- grow up.

You really shouldn't feel that way. You're in the majority (if just barely). It really is the natural reaction. What's most important is to acknowledge that you feel that way, and ask yourself why. This is true of everything in life - don't just accept that things are a certain way. Question the why, and work on taking control over your initial reactions and forming your final opinions based on facts and logic.

 

[ShawnD1]

Originally posted by: Chiropteran
As long as it's illegal to carry guns on campus nobody can use guns to commit crimes on campus!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=S7pGt_O1uM8

 

[Kelvrick]

Originally posted by: Chiropteran
As long as it's illegal to carry guns on campus nobody can use guns to commit crimes on campus!

Don't forget, murder is illegal, so is theft, assault, rape, speeding...

 

[ShawnD1]

Originally posted by: Kelvrick

Originally posted by: Chiropteran
As long as it's illegal to carry guns on campus nobody can use guns to commit crimes on campus!

Don't forget, murder is illegal, so is theft, assault, rape, speeding...

Dueling was legal in the 1700s

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: Quintox

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Quintox

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Moreover, do you feel uncomfortable everywhere else in the country? Because people carry everywhere else. To give you some idea, if you go to a movie theater in Washington, and there are 200 people in the theater with you, then statistically between 2 and 8 people in there have a gun on them (legally). Remember, everywhere you go in America at least 1 out of a hundred people is legally carrying a gun on them right then.

Yup I do.

Why? Do you plan on robbing a movie theater?

I don't like the fact that a person near me is holding a deadly weapon.

What about the black belt two rows down? Or the ex-Navy SEAL behind you?

The world is a risky place.

 

[marvdmartian]

For those people that oppose concealed carry on campus, think of it this way. If you're one of the nutjobs you're so scared about having guns, and you know for a fact that no one but (maybe) campus security is carrying a weapon, don't you think it's MORE likely that said nutjob is going to go on a killing spree??

However, if there's a chance that the nutjob, just as soon as he takes out his firearm to begin his slaughter, might get shot by a law abiding citizen who's carrying a concealed firearm..... don't you think maybe the nutjob is going to think twice about starting some shit?

Let's face reality, shall we?

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: Quintox

Originally posted by: ric1287

hahaha...what do you do with the tazer? Run up to a guy with a shotgun and hope he doesn't blow a hole in your chest before you can shock him?

People need to remember that allowing CC on campus DOES NOT MEAN that every Joe Frat Guy is going to buy a gun. The same people who have CC in the "normal world" are going to be the ones who carry on campus. They will not be handing out glocks on orientation day.

OK well it doesn't have to be a tazer, whatever other non lethal weapon there is. (lol)

I'm in college now, and I just wouldn't feel comfortable knowing someone is sitting in my classroom with a glock on their side. How would you feel if there was a really, really weird guy in one of your classes and he had one of those? Wouldn't that make you a little nervous?

Anywho, that was just my opinion, I'm not going to 'argue' anymore. I just thought it was interesting.

what's stopping someone from bringing one into that class without a permit?
The ones with permits are the more sane ones, because they believe in upholding safety. Going through the routine to get a CC shows they want it to always have it on them for protection. The ones that want to assault with a weapon don't go through legal means, as the weapon is logged to their name.

Personally, I'd feel good having people with CCs around. Besides, someone with a CC you'd never know, because it has to be concealed. You can't just have it openly viewable on your side... unless of course the state allows for open-carry. I'd imagine concealed carry on campuses would be kept in your bag. So, you'd be just as likely to know if they are carrying with it permissible, as you are to know if they are carrying right now. No difference, but more safety, as they are permitted to fire for defensive purposes, when their life is threatened, and it can be argued they could defend others as well.

I don't think Ohio State will offer concealed carry on campus in my time at school, as it's never even been brought up as a ballot issue for student government to lobby to the school board... so it's aways away.

+

 

[zennyboy21]

lol... I'm the same way.

 

[AreaCode7O7]

The only reason I could think of that it would not be a good idea is that somebody might notice a person carrying a gun, assume it was legal, and fail to report in an unusual situation, possibly stopping preventative action. However, since that type of prevention has not ever, to my knowledge, happened, it doesn't seem a strenuous objection. Usually the crazies are either caught before they get the weapons to school or they aren't caught til it's too late.

 

[0roo0roo]

honestly i dont mind.
people out to murder conceal regardles sof the law

Originally posted by: AreaCode707
The only reason I could think of that it would not be a good idea is that somebody might notice a person carrying a gun, assume it was legal, and fail to report in an unusual situation, possibly stopping preventative action. However, since that type of prevention has not ever, to my knowledge, happened, it doesn't seem a strenuous objection. Usually the crazies are either caught before they get the weapons to school or they aren't caught til it's too late.

yea but how often has that happened? school shooters don't go to school and take their time. they know their time is limited, they get down to business right away. there is no chance to report the situation. they either go in brazenly shooting, or hide it well then shoot up the place asap.

 

[StageLeft]

This way, if a gunman does come on campus into a classroom, the student(s) can tazer them, and have a good chance of effectively stopping him.

Haha Gun > Tazer.

I still think it won't help jack sh*t, but a tazer simply is no match for a gun.