Concealed weapons on campus

[AnthroAndStargate]

i would not feel safe on my campus if students could carry guns. drunk fratboys + guns = a bad combo. they cause enough trouble without weapons, god knows what would happen if they were packing.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: AnthroAndStargate
i would not feel safe on my campus if students could carry guns. drunk fratboys + guns = a bad combo. they cause enough trouble without weapons, god knows what would happen if they were packing.

Well if they were only shooting each other it wouldn't be so bad but unfortunately students who aren't Frat Boys would get caught in the crossfire.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: AnthroAndStargate
i would not feel safe on my campus if students could carry guns. drunk fratboys + guns = a bad combo. they cause enough trouble without weapons, god knows what would happen if they were packing.

Sigh.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: AnthroAndStargate
i would not feel safe on my campus if students could carry guns. drunk fratboys + guns = a bad combo. they cause enough trouble without weapons, god knows what would happen if they were packing.

it is already illegal to be drunk with a CCW, it is grounds for revocation if not jail.

if anything, you should be more worried about illegally packing frat boys at parties before ones with a CCW.

If someone is gonna pack illegally anyways, not having a CCW is not gonna stop them.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

I think that any gun owner should be required to take a comprehensive gun training course which teaches basics such sa gun safety, trigger discipline, and such

Also, if you are under the influence of any drug or chemical while carrying a CCW, you will get your license revoked and you ass put in jail.

 

[Ruptga]

Originally posted by: Quintox

Oh I know the more effective way is to of course shoot the gunman, but if he comes into your class room, the tazer can reach him just fine. I just think having anybody be able to get a license is too dangerous.

Well, you're right there, no licensing system should ever pass 100% of applicants.

I think this is a great idea, if concealed carry is legal in the state, it should be allowed pretty much anywhere in the state, unless of course specific private institutions want to ban it on their premises. Are these folks campaigning for the government to allow it on campuses, or is the decision already in the hands of the campuses?

 

[thomsbrain]

Most college students can't be trusted to bathe themselves regularly, let alone carry deadly force.

I understand the need for additional safety, but I'd rather see it in the hands of trained professional law enforcement than in the hands of a frat-boi who is still working off the last of the previous night's bender.

 

[thomsbrain]

Originally posted by: marvdmartian
For those people that oppose concealed carry on campus, think of it this way. If you're one of the nutjobs you're so scared about having guns, and you know for a fact that no one but (maybe) campus security is carrying a weapon, don't you think it's MORE likely that said nutjob is going to go on a killing spree??

However, if there's a chance that the nutjob, just as soon as he takes out his firearm to begin his slaughter, might get shot by a law abiding citizen who's carrying a concealed firearm..... don't you think maybe the nutjob is going to think twice about starting some shit?

Let's face reality, shall we?

Nutjobs don't think twice about starting shit. That's why we call them nutjobs.

Let's face reality, shall we?

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: thomsbrain
Most college students can't be trusted to bathe themselves regularly, let alone carry deadly force.

I understand the need for additional safety, but I'd rather see it in the hands of trained professional law enforcement than in the hands of a frat-boi who is still working off the last of the previous night's bender.

Sigh (again).

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: AnthroAndStargate
i would not feel safe on my campus if students could carry guns. drunk fratboys + guns = a bad combo. they cause enough trouble without weapons, god knows what would happen if they were packing.

it is already illegal to be drunk with a CCW, it is grounds for revocation if not jail.

if anything, you should be more worried about illegally packing frat boys at parties before ones with a CCW.

If someone is gonna pack illegally anyways, not having a CCW is not gonna stop them.

If you think someone who is otherwise law abiding is going to be just as likely to carry a be drunk and carry a weapon on campus where it's always illegal as if it were legal to CCW, you're deluded. And if the frat boy can't have a weapon in the dorm or whatever, period, that removes it from the equation.


It's like driving drunk. Do you really think drunk driving would be just as likely under prohibition, just because driving drunk is illegal anyway?

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: marvdmartian
For those people that oppose concealed carry on campus, think of it this way. If you're one of the nutjobs you're so scared about having guns, and you know for a fact that no one but (maybe) campus security is carrying a weapon, don't you think it's MORE likely that said nutjob is going to go on a killing spree??

However, if there's a chance that the nutjob, just as soon as he takes out his firearm to begin his slaughter, might get shot by a law abiding citizen who's carrying a concealed firearm..... don't you think maybe the nutjob is going to think twice about starting some shit?

Let's face reality, shall we?

Uhhhh you know the VA Tech killer shot himself right?

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: AnthroAndStargate
i would not feel safe on my campus if students could carry guns. drunk fratboys + guns = a bad combo. they cause enough trouble without weapons, god knows what would happen if they were packing.

i don't feel safe on any campus that lets the students drive.
lets just say people just out of high school still drive like sh*t.

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: AnthroAndStargate
i would not feel safe on my campus if students could carry guns. drunk fratboys + guns = a bad combo. they cause enough trouble without weapons, god knows what would happen if they were packing.

i don't feel safe on any campus that lets the students drive.
lets just say people just out of high school still drive like sh*t.

Driving wasn't allowed on my campus.

 

[FallenHero]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: marvdmartian
For those people that oppose concealed carry on campus, think of it this way. If you're one of the nutjobs you're so scared about having guns, and you know for a fact that no one but (maybe) campus security is carrying a weapon, don't you think it's MORE likely that said nutjob is going to go on a killing spree??

However, if there's a chance that the nutjob, just as soon as he takes out his firearm to begin his slaughter, might get shot by a law abiding citizen who's carrying a concealed firearm..... don't you think maybe the nutjob is going to think twice about starting some shit?

Let's face reality, shall we?

Uhhhh you know the VA Tech killer shot himself right?

So because he shot himself we should not allow others to carry? Is that the logic you are going for?

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: FallenHero

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: marvdmartian
For those people that oppose concealed carry on campus, think of it this way. If you're one of the nutjobs you're so scared about having guns, and you know for a fact that no one but (maybe) campus security is carrying a weapon, don't you think it's MORE likely that said nutjob is going to go on a killing spree??

However, if there's a chance that the nutjob, just as soon as he takes out his firearm to begin his slaughter, might get shot by a law abiding citizen who's carrying a concealed firearm..... don't you think maybe the nutjob is going to think twice about starting some shit?

Let's face reality, shall we?

Uhhhh you know the VA Tech killer shot himself right?

So because he shot himself we should not allow others to carry? Is that the logic you are going for?

I'm going for the logic that if someone isn't afraid to die, the threat of the possibility of another student carrying a gun is not a deterrent. You might as well call the death penalty a deterrent for suicide bombers.

Someone killing him before he kills too many people is a valid argument, but CCW being a deterrent is illogical.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton
I'm going for the logic that if someone isn't afraid to die, the threat of the possibility of another student carrying a gun is not a deterrent. You might as well call the death penalty a deterrent for suicide bombers.

Someone killing him before he kills too many people is a valid argument, but CCW being a deterrent is illogical.

It may not be a deterrent for the rampage, but it is most certainly a deterrent for the time and location of the attack.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: AnthroAndStargate
i would not feel safe on my campus if students could carry guns. drunk fratboys + guns = a bad combo. they cause enough trouble without weapons, god knows what would happen if they were packing.

i don't feel safe on any campus that lets the students drive.
lets just say people just out of high school still drive like sh*t.

Driving wasn't allowed on my campus.

no parking lots?
i'm not talking about driving through the campus

 

[Ruptga]

Originally posted by: thomsbrain
Most college students can't be trusted to bathe themselves regularly, let alone carry deadly force.

I understand the need for additional safety, but I'd rather see it in the hands of trained professional law enforcement than in the hands of a frat-boi who is still working off the last of the previous night's bender.

1. I don't want to pay for more security, do you? I want to make a one-time investment into my security in the form of a pistol, rather than a life-long commitment to several inept rent-a-cops' salaries

2. Cops can't be with me all the time (unlike my pistol), as this relates directly to cost

3. Concealed Carry requires you to be trained, dummy, they don't just rubberstamp every app that comes in.

 

[Queasy]

Reading this thread, it is pretty clear that there are a lot of people who haven't the first clue about what is required to get a Concealed Carry permit.

Please find out before making silly comments about 'just anybody' or 'drunk fratboys' carrying guns to class.

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: AnthroAndStargate
i would not feel safe on my campus if students could carry guns. drunk fratboys + guns = a bad combo. they cause enough trouble without weapons, god knows what would happen if they were packing.

i don't feel safe on any campus that lets the students drive.
lets just say people just out of high school still drive like sh*t.

Driving wasn't allowed on my campus.

no parking lots?
i'm not talking about driving through the campus

Reminds me of when a pizza delivery person drove down the walkway and through the walk-through arch of married student housing up on campus several years ago. I was visiting some friends, and she knocked on the door to ask for directions, and there was her car wedged in to the walk-through area at the corner of the building. True, the snow kind of obscured the regular roadways, but still...

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: Throckmorton
I'm going for the logic that if someone isn't afraid to die, the threat of the possibility of another student carrying a gun is not a deterrent. You might as well call the death penalty a deterrent for suicide bombers.

Someone killing him before he kills too many people is a valid argument, but CCW being a deterrent is illogical.

It may not be a deterrent for the rampage, but it is most certainly a deterrent for the time and location of the attack.

How is it a deterrent for time and location? Are there times that gun carrying students ar eless likely to go to class?

 

[DangerAardvark]

I hold a pretty libertarian position on gun control, but concealed-carry still makes me uncomfortable. The reason is that giving one person a gun (and let's not pretend that a martial artist or a Buick is the same thing) among a population that is generally unarmed is shifting the balance of power. With police officers that power is regulated. What happens when a guy who's strapped walks into a classroom? The power used to be in the professor's hands by virtue of authority granted him by the university. Well, the power of the immediate threat lethal force trumps that power, if not in practice, then psychologically.

It's not entirely rational, I'll admit. It's sort of like seeing a Marine with an M-16 at the airport for the first time: it's a little jarring. But my only point is that there IS a difference in how you talk to someone when you know they have a gun. It does have the potential to retard social interaction.

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
I hold a pretty libertarian position on gun control, but concealed-carry still makes me uncomfortable. The reason is that giving one person a gun (and let's not pretend that a martial artist or a Buick is the same thing) among a population that is generally unarmed is shifting the balance of power. With police officers that power is regulated. What happens when a guy who's strapped walks into a classroom? The power used to be in the professor's hands by virtue of authority granted him by the university. Well, the power of the immediate threat lethal force trumps that power, if not in practice, then psychologically.

It's not entirely rational, I'll admit. It's sort of like seeing a Marine with an M-16 at the airport for the first time: it's a little jarring. But my only point is that there IS a difference in how you talk to someone when you know they have a gun. It does have the potential to retard social interaction.

You're not supposed to know. That's why it is concealed.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: Throckmorton
I'm going for the logic that if someone isn't afraid to die, the threat of the possibility of another student carrying a gun is not a deterrent. You might as well call the death penalty a deterrent for suicide bombers.

Someone killing him before he kills too many people is a valid argument, but CCW being a deterrent is illogical.

It may not be a deterrent for the rampage, but it is most certainly a deterrent for the time and location of the attack.

How is it a deterrent for time and location? Are there times that gun carrying students ar eless likely to go to class?

In most of these cases, the shooters pick a time and location where he/she can inflict the most damage/death. So, if there is a high probability that students/faculty will be shooting back, it's quite possible that the shooter would choose a more ideal time and location. Now, it's no guarantee, especially if that student has a particular vendetta against a group of people, but it's possible.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
I hold a pretty libertarian position on gun control, but concealed-carry still makes me uncomfortable.

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
With police officers that power is regulated.

That is pretty far from being libertarian.