Confederate/Rebel flag

[So]

Originally posted by: jandrews
I always considered southern pride and racism kind of mutually exclusive i.e. the same thing pretty much especially when concerning the confederate flag.

"Mutually exclusive" means that two things are completely different -- well, not "different" it refers to events that cannot both occur. i.e. in an election each candidate winning is mutually exclusive of the other.

 

[MrPickins]

Originally posted by: dmw16
seeing and talking with people who display them. I'd say it represents White Trash. Generally the people have no idea what it means or meant.

:thumbsup:

 

[jandrews]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: jandrews
I always considered southern pride and racism kind of mutually exclusive i.e. the same thing pretty much especially when concerning the confederate flag.

"Mutually exclusive" means that two things are completely different.

Thats why i added i.e. the same thing because somehow i felt i was using the term improperly

 

[Beev]

It pretty much stands for idiocy and nothing else.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: jandrews

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: jandrews
I always considered southern pride and racism kind of mutually exclusive i.e. the same thing pretty much especially when concerning the confederate flag.

"Mutually exclusive" means that two things are completely different.

Thats why i added i.e. the same thing because somehow i felt i was using the term improperly

That was a wise choice. I'm not trying to condescend, just providing you with information.

the more you know!
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[jalaram]

Originally posted by: Adn4n
To borrow a line from Robin Williams, the confederate(no caps out of choice) flag stands for states' rights as much as the svastika is a Tibetan good luck charm.

Robin wasn't far off with the latter statement.. For Hindus and Jains, the swastika is an important symbol of good.

I've lived in Florida and heard both sides of the argument. I do think that the term "Rebel flag" is appropriate because these southerners are rebelling against northerners dictating how they should act.

Yes, it's still a racist flag because whether or not they like to admit it, one of the states' rights was slavery. It doesn't mean that they want slavery now. It just means that the flag was used to support slavery when it was created.

 

[slsmnaz]

Originally posted by: jandrews

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: jandrews
I always considered southern pride and racism kind of mutually exclusive i.e. the same thing pretty much especially when concerning the confederate flag.

"Mutually exclusive" means that two things are completely different.

Thats why i added i.e. the same thing because somehow i felt i was using the term improperly

Actually you used it perfectly (but didn't mean to) since Southern pride does not equal racism. Some people are too blinded by stereotypes to know the difference.

 

[slsmnaz]

Originally posted by: jalaram

Originally posted by: Adn4n
To borrow a line from Robin Williams, the confederate(no caps out of choice) flag stands for states' rights as much as the svastika is a Tibetan good luck charm.

Robin wasn't far off with the latter statement.. For Hindus and Jains, the swastika is an important symbol of good.

I've lived in Florida and heard both sides of the argument. I do think that the term "Rebel flag" is appropriate because these southerners are rebelling against northerners dictating how they should act.

Yes, it's still a racist flag because whether or not they like to admit it, one of the states' rights was slavery. It doesn't mean that they want slavery now. It just means that the flag was used to support slavery when it was created.

No, the reason people view it like that is because the KKK adopted it for their use. Had they never used it you would not see very many in existance today. It was an obscure CSA battle flag prior to them.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: slsmnaz

Originally posted by: jandrews

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: jandrews
I always considered southern pride and racism kind of mutually exclusive i.e. the same thing pretty much especially when concerning the confederate flag.

"Mutually exclusive" means that two things are completely different.

Thats why i added i.e. the same thing because somehow i felt i was using the term improperly

Actually you used it perfectly (but didn't mean to) since Southern pride does not equal racism. Some people are too blinded by stereotypes to know the difference.

Even were that the case (I personally believe that the two ARE inextricably linked), they still aren't mutually exclusive. You still would have racists who also had southern pride.

 

[PepePeru]

racism veiled as pride.

 

[PatrickBateman]

freebird

 

[AMCRambler]

An even better question, what if Lincoln had allowed the South to secede? What would the world be like today if he had? Would slavery still exist there or do you think they eventually would have come to their senses? Reminds me of that commercial for Texas tourism, "Texas, it's like a whole other country!"

 

[So]

Edit, and on top of that, the southern flag is a symbol of treason in the name of an immoral cause. The treason alone should be enough to condemn it.

 

[slsmnaz]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: slsmnaz

Originally posted by: jandrews

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: jandrews
I always considered southern pride and racism kind of mutually exclusive i.e. the same thing pretty much especially when concerning the confederate flag.

"Mutually exclusive" means that two things are completely different.

Thats why i added i.e. the same thing because somehow i felt i was using the term improperly

Actually you used it perfectly (but didn't mean to) since Southern pride does not equal racism. Some people are too blinded by stereotypes to know the difference.

Even were that the case (I personally believe that the two ARE inextricably linked), they still aren't mutually exclusive. You still would have racists who also had southern pride.

Linked only out of ignorance. While their could be (and are) "racists who also had southern pride", a person could easily have one without the other. Please don't fool yourself into thinking racism is contained only in the SE states.

 

[slsmnaz]

Originally posted by: So
Edit, and on top of that, the southern flag is a symbol of treason in the name of an immoral cause. The treason alone should be enough to condemn it.

So is the US flag but we kind of let that slide.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: slsmnaz

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: slsmnaz

Originally posted by: jandrews

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: jandrews
I always considered southern pride and racism kind of mutually exclusive i.e. the same thing pretty much especially when concerning the confederate flag.

"Mutually exclusive" means that two things are completely different.

Thats why i added i.e. the same thing because somehow i felt i was using the term improperly

Actually you used it perfectly (but didn't mean to) since Southern pride does not equal racism. Some people are too blinded by stereotypes to know the difference.

Even were that the case (I personally believe that the two ARE inextricably linked), they still aren't mutually exclusive. You still would have racists who also had southern pride.

Linked only out of ignorance. While their could be (and are) "racists who also had southern pride", a person could easily have one without the other. Please don't fool yourself into thinking racism is contained only in the SE states.

It's not. Racism is not exclusive to the south, but "southern pride" as a concept is deeply tied to racism. Liking where you live is not the same concept as southern pride.

 

[slsmnaz]

Originally posted by: So
It's not. Racism is not exclusive to the south, but "southern pride" as a concept is deeply tied to racism. Liking where you live is not the same concept as southern pride.

Just because you misunderstand the concept does not make you correct. There are many different factors to "Southern pride" than slavery. In fact, other than the most backward thinking southerners, it's not a factor at all.

 

[jandrews]

Originally posted by: slsmnaz

Originally posted by: jandrews

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: jandrews
I always considered southern pride and racism kind of mutually exclusive i.e. the same thing pretty much especially when concerning the confederate flag.

"Mutually exclusive" means that two things are completely different.

Thats why i added i.e. the same thing because somehow i felt i was using the term improperly

Actually you used it perfectly (but didn't mean to) since Southern pride does not equal racism. Some people are too blinded by stereotypes to know the difference.

Personal experience has proven differently in my experience. I am from Minnesota and have visited the south on several occassions and was quite suprised how racism still was rampant in places like alabama. Of course not everyone is racist but typically those with southern pride fall into that category. Of course ymmv.

 

[slsmnaz]

Originally posted by: jandrews

Originally posted by: slsmnaz

Originally posted by: jandrews

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: jandrews
I always considered southern pride and racism kind of mutually exclusive i.e. the same thing pretty much especially when concerning the confederate flag.

"Mutually exclusive" means that two things are completely different.

Thats why i added i.e. the same thing because somehow i felt i was using the term improperly

Actually you used it perfectly (but didn't mean to) since Southern pride does not equal racism. Some people are too blinded by stereotypes to know the difference.

Personal experience has proven differently in my experience. I am from Minnesota and have visited the south on several occassions and was quite suprised how racism still was rampant in places like alabama. Of course not everyone is racist but typically those with southern pride fall into that category. Of course ymmv.

So based on your limited experience you lump a whole section of the US into 1 type? Please describe what led to this belief. I have lived in the South most of my life so I have a good idea that it exists. However, I spent the last 7 years living in AZ and found it to not be much different. It just involved a different group of people.

 

[imported_Imp]

If it weren't so popular with white trash/biggots, I would say southern pride. But it is, so I see "racism".

 

[jandrews]

Originally posted by: slsmnaz

Originally posted by: jandrews

Originally posted by: slsmnaz

Originally posted by: jandrews

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: jandrews
I always considered southern pride and racism kind of mutually exclusive i.e. the same thing pretty much especially when concerning the confederate flag.

"Mutually exclusive" means that two things are completely different.

Thats why i added i.e. the same thing because somehow i felt i was using the term improperly

Actually you used it perfectly (but didn't mean to) since Southern pride does not equal racism. Some people are too blinded by stereotypes to know the difference.

Personal experience has proven differently in my experience. I am from Minnesota and have visited the south on several occassions and was quite suprised how racism still was rampant in places like alabama. Of course not everyone is racist but typically those with southern pride fall into that category. Of course ymmv.

So based on your limited experience you lump a whole section of the US into 1 type? Please describe what led to this belief. I have lived in the South most of my life so I have a good idea that it exists. However, I spent the last 7 years living in AZ and found it to not be much different. It just involved a different group of people.

AZ hates homeless more than any other people out there lol. Anyway, just conversations on business trips I make, the type of people I meet. My limited experience provides me with a certain viewpoint. That is how humans make judgements typically, they experience/evaluate and judge. Whether my experiences are the same as others or the majority is really left to be seen.

 

[Kwaipie]

Ask a black person what the stars and bars means to them.

 

[Chaotic42]

Saying that the Confederate Flag ever stood for slavery is an amazing oversimplification of a complex issue.

Anyway, I think that for a small minority of people it represents a political ideal, mostly of southern isolationism. For most people I believe it's a symbol of "Southern Pride" and something "cool" to put on your truck/shirt/hat/chest.

It's like the swastika; it's a cool symbol that has been given an extremely negative connotation.

 

[acole1]

Many of the comments in this thread prove revisionist history works in it's endeavor to bend your way of thinking.

So, in a way, it symbolizes confusion about the truth.

A piece of education for all you brainwashed northerners (coming from one who has lived and gone to school in the north, and the south:
Not all southerners are racist, and many northerners are.
Southern pride != racism!!! (To all those who think that: please put down the kewlaid and come back to reality!) :roll:
And most who display the said flag are usually rebellious (try to not be PC), and/or are white trash/rednecks.

I can attest to the fact that the education in schools about the Civil War greatly differs depending on where you live. In the north you are taught that all southerners are rebels, racists, uneducated, and uncivilized. In the south you are taught that northerners are bigots, power hungry, and corrupt. So it's likely that your opinion coincides with where you grew up.

 

[Platypus]

whiskey tango, over.