I have no doubt that as we learn more about genetics and the human mind that we'll find there's something to this. It probably goes beyond culture, and into DNA.
Frank Farley, one of my professors at UW-Madison, has theorized that the reason America is so violent is that the people who founded it and populated it are the descendents of people with thrill-seeking personalities. Obviously the decision to fight the American Revolution, and the decision of subsequent immigrants to come to the US, required them to be more thrill-seeking and less risk-averse than many other people. This in turn (under the theory) makes us more aggressive and thus violent as a people. Certainly the Swiss, as a whole, would generally be the direct opposite.
Create gun free zones, and a mass shooting happens in a gun free zone. Create more gun free zones, more mass shootings happen in gun free zones. Over and over and over again. Almost all the mass shootings happen in gun free zones.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
So those who want gun free zones are either trying to encourage more mass shootings, or they are insane.
Meanwhile, in Israel, where they clearly don't want their children murdered. They protect them with armed guards.
the status quo = 20 murdered children
weird thing to be in favor of.
Create gun free zones, and a mass shooting happens in a gun free zone. Create more gun free zones, more mass shootings happen in gun free zones. Over and over and over again. Almost all the mass shootings happen in gun free zones.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
So those who want gun free zones are either trying to encourage more mass shootings, or they are insane.
Meanwhile, in Israel, where they clearly don't want their children murdered. They protect them with armed guards.
Israel's also waging an eternal war with it's neighbor with rocket attacks coming in at any given second. Bad example.
I didn't know rifles could stop rocket attacks.
I've stopped a rocket attack with a shared pot of tea. And no, I'm not kidding.
The only thing more sad than this shooting incident is the fact that this nation hasn't experienced anything like enough pain to bring about real change. I'm sick of hearing these pro gun people spew their selfish nonsense. I like guns a lot as well, but i'd give them up to help prevent this kind of thing.
Assault rifles and semi auto hand guns need to go. All of them. Retro active across the country. Confiscate them all with a buy back program. This country can afford to pay for other people's wars, it can afford to puchase guns off the streets to save lives.
Shotguns and hunting/target rifles should stay. They serve a purpose other than killing people. A shotgun is all one needs for home defense. A hunting rifle is all you need for hunting. A target rifle is for fun and target shooting. If you can't defend yourself, shoot a deer, or hit a target with a 5 round magazine, then you don't need to compensate for that with a 30 round AR-15, instead you need more practice.
The gun control problem boils down to simple selfishness. People don't think that given up THEIR damn gun will help anything, so they choose to argue and let people die instead. Fuck these selfish bastards. Get over your damn killing machines and get over yourselves. Having an assault rifle of any kind should be viewed the same as owning a hand grenade. Why the hell would you need a hand grenade? Why the hell do you need an assault rifle? What can't you do with a revolver? Why do you need 16 rounds in your semi auto glock 9?
Nope, instead, i'm the idiot. Anyone who wants these weapons out of our country are the idiots. Somehow, someway, after 20 kids get slaughtered by another AR-15 incident, the people who think that MORE guns are the solution are somehow the enlightened ones with all the answers. Yeah, lets arm our fucking teachers with M4's. Seriously? Some gun freak said that shit in response to this shooting. The day we need to arm our cute little teachers with fucking M4's is the day this experiment of a nation failed.
They need to hire armed security at schools and have all entries be double door systems. Where the first door opens to a foyer type area with a metal detector and x-ray machine and two armed guards.
Once the individual passes muster, the second door opens (only after the first door has been closed)
Also around the schools build 18 feet high fences with concertina wire and a second set right behind it with cameras and a watch tower with an armed rifleman to shoot down any hostile vehicles trying to roll through security.
All students have to wear a blue uniform to identify them as students in the school, employees wear red uniforms.
You do know that most cops can't bring down a bad guy with 6 shots (at least according to them), right? And frankly, snub noses are light as hell so why couldn't the exact same tragedy happen with a bad guy who has 7 or 8 snub nose revolvers? Hell, I highly doubt one of the teachers was going to even attempt to tackle him anyway so he could have even reloaded if he made it through all 8 revolvers.
The sad part is that you don't think teachers would do anything to protect their students. As evidenced by the principal, some educators will give their lives to protect the children in their charge.
And they are generally treated like shit by the public. They deserve better.
Those teachers didn't giver their lives to protect the children. They did lose their lives, but didn't actually protect the students.
The sad part is that you don't think teachers would do anything to protect their students. As evidenced by the principal, some educators will give their lives to protect the children in their charge.
And they are generally treated like shit by the public. They deserve better.
Pretty irrelevant to the topic of gun control, but an educator who sincerely wants to protect his students would be better served with a firearm at his side (and training to use it) than without.
One would think that would be the takeaway from this tragedy, instead of "ban all guns," but common sense is not so common.
Yeah? Adding a gun to a classroom of 6 or 7-year olds is the answer, is it? Or better still... what about high schoolers?
Do you have some reasons or are you just saying it "sounds bad?"
Wait... you're saying you don't see any reasons that make it a bad idea? They aren't self-evident?
This ain't a "sounds bad" situation. This is a "totally absurd" situation.
Wait... you're saying you don't see any reasons that make it a bad idea? They aren't self-evident?
This ain't a "sounds bad" situation. This is a "totally absurd" situation.
Yeah? Adding a gun to a classroom of 6 or 7-year olds is the answer, is it? Or better still... what about high schoolers?
This is a preposterous point. If a teacher wanted to get a gun and shoot up a school, they could very easily do it, and much easier than anyone else; they already have automatic access by virtue of their position as staff of the school. So how come we aren't reading about more school shootings being done by teachers? Have there been any school shootings done by teachers? Ever? It seems ridiculous to contend that putting a gun in a classroom is going to turn teachers, a group who never shoots up public places, into a bunch of raving lunatics sitting on a powderkeg just waiting to explode. It's like you think the presence of a gun turns people homocidal. Well then why aren't cops constantly flipping out and shooting up police stations? Do you view guns as a real-world equivalent of Sauron's ring, constantly speaking in the hushed tones of Mordor, convincing everyone around them to do harm to one another? It's ridiculous.And how long until one of these teachers (or admins) acts as worthless as you think they are already and uses that sanctioned weapon to do some damage of their own? Or do you think these people should be trusted with this added responsibility, but not have a say in how your kids understand literature or history?
This is a preposterous point. If a teacher wanted to get a gun and shoot up a school, they could very easily do it, and much easier than anyone else; they already have automatic access by virtue of their position as staff of the school. So how come we aren't reading about more school shootings being done by teachers? Have there been any school shootings done by teachers? Ever? It seems ridiculous to contend that putting a gun in a classroom is going to turn teachers, a group who never shoots up public places, into a bunch of raving lunatics sitting on a powderkeg just waiting to explode. It's like you think the presence of a gun turns people homocidal. Well then why aren't cops constantly flipping out and shooting up police stations? Do you view guns as a real-world equivalent of Sauron's ring, constantly speaking in the hushed tones of Mordor, convincing everyone around them to do harm to one another? It's ridiculous.
There are good arguments for keeping guns out of classrooms. Retarded paranoia isn't among them.
Why have all mass shootings occurred in fun free zones?
Because the shooter knows nobody can fight back.