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dcane2000

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What you are talking about are very extreme conservatives. I am a conservative myself but don't believe in any of that prayer in school and homosexual sinfulness. Everything in moderation I say. I do agree with capital punishment and am pissed that McVeigh got that stay!!
 

Optimus

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I'm not a Republican, but my views are likely what you would clasify as "conservative":


<< Conservatives advocate prayer in schools >>


No, I don't - I argue against it.


<< public funding of faith organization >>


Again, no - faith organizations should be supported willingly by the participants.


<< believe that the government, and majority should decide when an abortion can be formed without scientific evidence. >>


I believe we have plenty of scientific evidence against abortion, and none for it. The only arguments for it seem to be &quot;its my body&quot;, &quot;I can do what I want&quot;, and &quot;Its my choice&quot;. Against abortion is basically &quot;Its a human being, don't kill it!&quot; - which follows the laws of nature.


<< Homosexuality is a sin... >>


While I personally believe that any sex outside marriage and not open to procreation is a sin, that view does not infringe upon the rights of anyone else. I do not discriminate or act with any intolerance to homosexual people as to me they are in the exact same boat as any guy here sleeping with his girlfriend - namely that &quot;Its none of my business.&quot;
Who made you the thought police that will tell me what I am not allowed to personally believe? Are you going form some kind of special police to beat it out of me?
Why are you, who hides behind a facade of tolerance, so blatantly intolerant of my personal beliefs that affect no one but me???


<< these are extremist views and frankly I find it disturbing... >>


I find it disturbing that you both stereotype everyone who doesn't think the way you do, and then act so intolerantly of them.


<< with people here resembling religious fanatics in some posts. >>


Show me where I'm a religious fanatic.
 

Capn

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Roughly 70% of the country would be in favor of a constitutional amendment allowing prayer in schools. Those damned conservatives, oh wait....
 

yellowperil

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<< 2. If you are a Christian you MUST believe in what the Bible says as the Bible is God's word. >>



Doesn't the Bible say, quite explicitly, to worship on the seventh day (Saturday)? The only reason why Christians worship on Sunday is because of a decree set by Emperor Constantine. If you are going to believe in the Bible, shouldn't you follow all the commandments?
 

Elledan

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FYI homosexuality is not unnatural. It's very common under Primates. It's assumed that more males become homosexual once there are fewer females in the group.

For some other species, homosexuality isn't unknown either, so Humans certainly aren't unique in it.

It's a theory of mine that anyone can become homosexual or vice versa in a matter of days. You only need to modify certain 'settings' in the mind to accomplish this.
 

Capn

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Elledan, perhaps you know this. I'm aware of the homosexuality in primates, but in these cases is it strictly homosexual behavior, i.e. if the number of females in the population increased would the males restrict themselves to only male relations?
 

Doboji

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Hey guys...

I think there was a misunderstanding that took place here.. namely I was speaking about the trend towards extremism by the conservative half of society. That doesnt mean that all conservatives are extremist scum bags... but I realize how looking at the title of this thread that can be misconstrued.

Now I'm gonna respond to some posts:



<< It is rare to find a thread started by a &quot;conservative&quot; member of this board bashing liberals. It is not so rare to find threads by the more liberal members bashing or being intolerent of conservatives >>



I didnt intend this to be a conservative bashing threads... I meant it more as a questioning of the ideologies being put forth by extremist conservatives. And if you pay attention I think liberals and conservatives bash each other pretty equally.



<< You probably agree with public funding of abortions and sex changes though. >>



Public funding of abortion only in the same sense as the rest of healthcare. Sex changes... in the same sense any alterative surgeries are funded (plastic surgery etc etc...) not sure how these procedures are funded now... but I don't see a sex change operation all that different than a nose job.



<< The US has no caste system, no laws preventing the poor from gaining their own wealth, and no laws guaranteeing different rights to different financial classes. >>



A caste system is not defined by government laws preventing the rise of classes... it's defined as a social/economic structure that defies class rise. No we do not live in a caste system... yet. But if we continue to reduce &quot;hand up&quot; programs, eventually only the utmost ambitious/lucky people will be able to rise through the classes... at which point you have a quasi-caste system. Unless you feel confident that people will be nice enough to create hand up programs from private funds... I think this defies the nature of human beings. I could go into a long comparison of that type of thinking to the fall of communism but I'll save that for another time.



<< It is painfully obvious you have no earthly idea what our Founding Fathers intended when they created the United States. >>



Whoa sorry Mr. Constitution... I'm so happy that we have with us today someone who has spoken personally to the founding fathers and understand their every intention. And furthermore... those superbeings you know Ben Franklin and the lot... they knew exactly where society was going to go, and exactly what as needed... the fact that the constitution is amendable was a typo... puleeeze

[/i] >>

Liberals think it is not YOUR money. They will allow you to keep what they think you need. [/i] >>



I see it more like paying your membership dues for being a member of society.

-Max
 

Elledan

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<< Elledan, perhaps you know this. I'm aware of the homosexuality in primates, but in these cases is it strictly homosexual behavior, i.e. if the number of females in the population increased would the males restrict themselves to only male relations? >>


Good question. Those males don't limit themselves to just females if they get the chance to 'get it on' with a female. However, if there's no chance that they'll get a female very soon (which counts mostly for the lower-ranking members in the group), they'll restrict themselve to homosexual behavior. Once more females become available, the higher-ranked members first get a female.

I've no exact data on this, but if the number of males and females in a population of Primates is equally balanced, homosexual behavior becomes extremely rare.
Except for certain Primate species, that use sexual behavior more like a way to communicate. For them it's an extremely important part of their social behavior
 

Doboji

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Constitutional Amendment allowing prayer in schools supported by 70%??... maybe 70 percent of Kansas... where the heck do you get your cracked out statistics?

-Max
 

chainbolt

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let's face it, the current government is moving the whole thing more into the VERY conservatice corner (I hear Ashcroft singing and praying with this staff). So, what will happen? As this is not representing mainstream America, sooner or later, soembody else will come, with a different agenda, and will push the thing in a different direction, and then the circle starts again.

what I don't understand is BUSH, jr. He knows that he never got a majority of votes, not even the simple one (I'm not talking about Florida): he should keep peeps together, he has no mandate
for such extreme positions.
 

Shantanu

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<< Liberals think it is not YOUR money. They will allow you to keep what they think you need. >>



I see it more like paying your membership dues for being a member of society.
>>



That is the dumbest fvcking thing I've ever heard. Feel so generous? Dig deep into your own pocket and give kid, because you ain't stealing any of my hard earned money.
 

Doboji

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Well in all fairness... I don't think Jr is known for his &quot;thinking&quot;

No he's not a moron... he's a normal guy. Normal guy president = dumb as dog doo doo in presidential standards...

Bush doesnt really have what it takes to be president... and while it doesnt matter in most things... his &quot;people&quot; handle foreign affairs, and general affairs etc... he doesnt manage to sway public opinion in his favor or congressional opinion in his favor too well... This is a direct consequence of his shortcomings...

-Max
 

Doboji

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<< That is the dumbest fvcking thing I've ever heard. Feel so generous? Dig deep into your own pocket and give kid, because you ain't stealing any of my hard earned money. >>



Dont wanna pay? fine get the hell outta society then... that means no publicly funded roads... no publicly funded police... no publicly funded jails....

So basically you can't drive anywhere... but thieves can raid your house all they want.. and we ain't gonna do a damn thing to helpya... hope you're a gun owner...

-Max
 
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Where did he say Old Testament? Try the New Testament, which is really what Christianity is based on... starting with the book of Romans... Romans 1:6 I believe. I agree with Drekce's sentiments on this issue I couldn't say it any better myself.

The difference between liberals and conservatives can be summed up like this: Liberals think that the government should be more involved with raising the standards of living for people. Conservatives do not. The exceptions for the conservatives are, if you are a large corporation or a millionaire, then you should get government help (witness Gov Bailouts of big businesses and tax breaks for the rich.)

What beautifully overbroad generalizations you've just made!

This &quot;liberals care crap&quot; may be true for your garden variety, tree-hugging, ride your bike to work, liberal. I think they genuinely believe in government intervention to better the lives of the downtrodden.

That being said...

The average, hard working, drives-his-SUV-to-work conservative is not nearly as heartless as the liberal menace portrays her as. She would merely like to live her life unfettered by oppressive taxation, without appreciable return. She would rather invest money in her family than to give her money to a distant Federal government which has a consistent track record of poor money management. Your statement about conservatives applies only to conservatives on the take in Congress...

The liberals in Congress really don't care about the downtrodden, or they would have reformed this worthless, underperforming, bloated welfare system during the decades of Democratic party control of Congress. This &quot;Great Society&quot; LBJ built has never worked. Never has... Never will... For excellent examples of welfare reforms that do work, look at what Tommy Thompson (R) has done in the great state of Wisconsin.

&quot;Liberal&quot; politicians don't have an incentive politically to help the welfare masses, because the poor blindly vote for liberal politicians that have never helped them anyway. They vote for them because there is a &quot;(D)&quot; following their name, and their parents always voted for D's.

Rational maximizers of wealth vote for their self interests. They try to vote in a way that will materially better their lives. The poor, as rational maximizers of wealth, vote for liberals to better their lives through the wide-eyed hope of increased entitlements. The middle class and the &quot;rich,&quot; whoever they are, tend to vote to reduce their tax burden. If voting your own self-interests is wrong, then are some wrongs more right than others?

This is the same liberal sing-song crap that I have had to listen to since the liberal menace strated hammering on supply-side economics during the Reagan administration. If supply-side is SO evil, why did the Democratically controlled House and Senate of the 80's pass it, and why did they opt to do nothing about it after it supposedly failed? The TRUTH is that supply-side economics works and it is what fueled the &quot;Clinton Era of Prosperity&quot; as well.

Conservatives do not really believe in less Gov. they believe in UNless gov. Keeping the environment clean is nice UNLESS we need to build a plant. Free enterprise is nice UNLESS it means lowered profits for big business. Lowered government spending is good UNLESS you are a military contractor. The list goes on, but most of you get the point.

In the words of Ronald Reagan... &quot;Well... there you go again.&quot; This is a really cute little sound bite, all without any real meaning, like the rest of your post.

Thank God (with a capital G, thank you) that Al Gore invented the internet so you could exercise your First Amendment rights today. I know I will.

Think... then type your response if you like.
 

Doboji

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couldya give me a reference to this poll you're talking about... I couldn't find it at gallup.com

Thanx

-Max
 

Doboji

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advocate - how can you spew such propaganda without laughing at yourself?



<< &quot;Liberal&quot; politicians don't have an incentive politically to help the welfare masses, because the poor blindly vote for liberal politicians that have never helped them anyway. They vote for them because there is a &quot;(D)&quot; following their name, and their parents always voted for D's. >>



How on EARTH did you come up with that?... do you realize you just called all the poor a bunch of dummies who can't think for themselves... have you any idea how insulting and stupid that comment is? Disturbing!



<< Rational maximizers of wealth vote for their self interests. They try to vote in a way that will materially better their lives. The poor, as rational maximizers of wealth, vote for liberals to better their lives through the wide-eyed hope of increased entitlements. The middle class and the &quot;rich,&quot; whoever they are, tend to vote to reduce their tax burden. If voting your own self-interests is wrong, then are some wrongs more right than others? >>



I wouldnt call it wrong(as in evil) I would just say it is a mistake and hurts everyone in the long run.

-Max
 

shiner

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<< Conservatives advocate prayer in schools >>



Yeah....and why not? Don't try to use the separation of church &amp; state argument because it won't hold up. All the Constitution says is that the govt. can't make one religion official or preferred over another. If someone wants to pray to whatever god or gods they worship then they should be allowed to do so.



<< public funding of faith organization >>


Again....why not? Taxpayer dollars are used for worse things. This goes back to the statement I made above. The govt. can give money to faith based organizations just as long as it doesn't try to make one religion official. I can think of a lot worse ways to spend my tax dollars.



<< believe that the government, and majority should decide when an abortion can be formed without scientific evidence. >>


What kind of evidence do you want? If it's the &quot;when does life start?&quot; question then there is pretty definitive proof that the fetus is alive and able to feel pain at about the 9 weeks stage. Some would argue that life begins earlier or later but from what I have read the 9th week seems to be the beginning of feeling in a fetus.



<< Homosexuality is a sin... >>


It is....ever read the Bible? Take a look at Leviticus 18:22 if you want proof. If you want proof that it is simply unnatural and an abomination just look at nature. It isn't natural for two males or two females to have sex, that's not the way we procreate. To me homosexuality is wrong but I do not hate homosexuals. It's not really my business what they are doing behind closed doors, I'll let God deal with em.



<< these are extremist views and frankly I find it disturbing >>



Oh yeah....real extreme...just the traditional values this country was founded on. If you want to see true intolerance just take a look at the liberals in this country.
 

ToBeMe

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<< Dont wanna pay? fine get the hell outta society then... that means no publicly funded roads... no publicly funded police... no publicly funded jails.... >>



Wait a minute........That's NOT the way Liberals see it........They would state it more like: Don't wanna' pay? OK, well, we have Government Money and Food Stamps for you......We call it WELFARE!
 

Doboji

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<< Yeah....and why not? Don't try to use the seperation of church &amp; state argument because it won't hold up. All the Constitution says is that the govt. can't make one religion official or preffered over another. If someone wants to pray to whatever god or gods they worship then they should be allowed to do so. >>



Someone once said as long as there are tests there will be prayer in schools. Private prayer in schools is absolutely and totally acceptable... very few democrats would argue against that. What we have a problem with is things like... teacher lead prayers... prayers before sporting events etc. These activities clearly infringe on other religions, and thereby violate the constitution.



<< Again....why not? Taxpayer dollars are used for worse things. This goes back to the statement I made above. The govt. can give money to faith based organizations just as long as it doesn't try to make one religion official. I can think of a lot worse ways to spend my tax dollars. >>



Funding faith based programs allows government aide contingent upon contact with a religious organization. This violates the constitution because a person is exposed by the government to a particular fath.

-Max
 

shiner

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<< teacher lead prayers... prayers before sporting events etc. These activities clearly infringe on other religions, and thereby violate the constitution. >>



How? The prayers that I've heard from such sources are always generic and never mention one God or another.



<< This violates the constitution because a person is exposed by the government to a particular fath. >>



How so? If that person chooses to go to that organization for whatever reason they are doing so of their own free will. I've never seen a van full of Baptists driving around kidnapping people and forcing their help on them. Unlike Janot Reno and her justice department.
 
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