Conservatives are disturbing...

[Doboji]

It's become more and more apparant throughout these threads that the right wing is moving farther and farther to the right... advocating policies and ideologies that borderline on extremist.

Examples:

Conservatives advocate prayer in schools

public funding of faith organization

believe that the government, and majority should decide when an abortion can be formed without scientific evidence.

Homosexuality is a sin...

the list goes on and on... these are extremist views and frankly I find it disturbing... Liberals on the other hand are fairly moderate on most issues... and I also see this as disturbing...

I sure hope we can have a right moderate movement to settle things down abit... or else we approach total infringement of minority, and lower class rights by the majority and upperclass.

This is especially apparant here... with people here resembling religious fanatics in some posts. Amazing simply amazing... if enough of the country moves to any extreme what you have is war... god forbid...

-Max

 

[GundamF91]

oh yeah, i can't stand those bible thumpers...they should try to preach less, and practice those "tolerant" view of theirs.

 

[notfred]

I don't identify myself as either conservative or liberal, and I'm registered to vote as an independent, but I'd like to know your definition of "extremist"

 

[JohnnyKnoxville]

So praise god and pass the ammunition

 

[chainbolt]

somehow I'm also a conservative, but I DO NOT at all like the crap I hear from these organized rightwingers.

 

[Ameesh]

in the immortall words of nutdotnet:

WORD

 

[Doboji]

Prayer in schools... I see as extremist... suggesting the idea that GOD is a given for all people...

People who dismiss homosexuality because their unproved un reliable religion says so, and then affecting policy for everyone based upon their own ideals...

I guess it basically boils down to not being able to, or rather being too dedicated to think outside of one's own perspective.

-Max

EDIT: I can't splel this early in the morning

 

[reitz]

To be honest, both "movements" disgust me.

I think the terms 'liberal' and 'conservative' are thrown around far too much on this board and in this country today. Most of the posts I read from those who identify themselves as "conservative" are nothing more that party rhetoric. True conservatives are quite a distance from the Republican party platform (and the exact same goes for true liberals and the Democratic party).

 

[Amused]

<< It's become more and more apparant throughout these threads that the right wing is moving farther and farther to the right... advocating policies and ideologies that borderline on extremist.

Examples:

Conservatives advocate prayer in schools >>


Not me, and many of my views are somewhat conservative.


<< public funding of faith organization >>


Nope again.


<< believe that the government, and majority should decide when an abortion can be formed without scientific evidence. >>


Nope again.


<< Homosexuality is a sin... >>


And again... nope.


<< the list goes on and on... these are extremist views and frankly I find it disturbing... Liberals on the other hand are fairly moderate on most issues... and I also see this as disturbing...

I sure hope we can have a right moderate movement to settle things down abit... or else we approach total infringement of minority, and lower class rights by the majority and upperclass.

This is especially apparant here... with people here resembling religious fanatics in some posts. Amazing simply amazing... if enough of the country moves to any extreme what you have is war... god forbid...

-Max >>


Um, I'm sorry, but if the upper class is forced to support the lower classes, that not only infringes on the rights of the upper class, but dooms the lower class to a perpetual welfare status. You can't guarantee the rights of one group by robbing another group of their rights. All you accomplish is the exact same thing you claim to be against.

As Ayn Rand once said, &quot;The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities.&quot;

The nannystate socialism I've seen perpetuated by the liberals on this board simply seek to uplift one group, by punishing another. That's no way to achieve equality while protecting the rights of everyone.

The liberals I've seen on this board are anything but moderate. They're socialist, nanny-state, class envying folks who wouldn't know &quot;moderate&quot; if it bit them on the @ss.

 

[dc]

bah, flamebait, you guys are the intolerant when you bash views of others...

oh yeah, i can't stand those bible thumpers...they should try to preach less, and practice those &quot;tolerant&quot; view of theirs.
gundamf91... so who's exactly the intolerant one when you can't stand other human beings that don't share your same beliefs?

 

[Swag1138]

I am independent (in every sense of the word), but my ideology lies with the conservatives.

what I see with liberals disturbs me:
Corporate America is evil. It is held responsible for all the evil happenings in the world.
What? You say a kid shot up a school again? BLAME THE GAME COMPANIES FOR MAKING FIRST PERSON SHOOTERS!
What? You say somone who has been smoking, yet fully knew all the risks involved but didnt quit died of lung cancer? SUE THE TOBACCO COMPANIES FOR MAKING TOBACCO SO DARN ADDICTIVE!

I have to ask, since when is a person no longer responsible for doing something stupid?

another thing is the whole &quot;You should pay more taxes so we can give more money to people who cant/dont work&quot; thing. I should not be forced to give up ANY portion of my hard earned money to help ANYONE. That should be my choice. Helping the less fortunate is NOT my responsibility, it is but one of many options of what I can do with my money. If I want to help people, I can give my money to a shelter, or a charity, or what not, directly, and at my own discretion.

there are many other things, but its late, and I dont feel like typing forever.

but, what I see, is actually the opposite. I see far more fanatical liberals than conservatives. Sure, there are bible thumping insane conservatives, but there are almost militant groups of Animal Rights Activists, Environmentalists, Vegetarians, you name it, its got a support group. I find these kinds of things silly, and they dont really accomplish much accept for making life harder on the people they stop from doing what they should do. (california anyone?)

Again, just my views. You stated your opinion, I stated mine.

 

<< Um, I'm sorry, but if the upper class is forced to support the lower classes, that not only infringes on the rights of the upper class, but dooms the lower class to a perpetual welfare status. You can't guarantee the rights of one group by robbing another group of their rights. All you accomplish is the exact same thing you claim to be against. >>


/me falls over laughing.
Did we not go to war with britain to get AWAY from that kind of thinking?
Yes abuse is bad, no, not everyone abuses the system.
But by what you say, WHO is getting the money and the rights?
The upper class keeps the rights and gives a fraction to the lower classes.

 

[Kilgor]

<< Conservatives advocate prayer in schools >>



No one is being forced to pray in school. If you want to pray then pray if not don?t.



<< public funding of faith organization >>



You probably agree with public funding of abortions and sex changes though.



<< believe that the government, and majority should decide when an abortion can be formed without scientific evidence. >>



I just find baby Genocide kinda repulsive.



<< Homosexuality is a sin... >>



I don?t know about it being a sin, but it is unnatural and kinda nasty to. :disgust:



<< sure hope we can have a right moderate movement to settle things down abit... or else we approach total infringement of minority, and lower class rights by the majority and upperclass. >>



Can you explain that a little better? How are these poor downtrodden souls rights any different than mine?


Frankly I find your extreme leftist views disturbing.

 

<< << Homosexuality is a sin... >>



I don?t know about it being a sin, but it is unnatural and kinda nasty to. >>



A conservative influenced view point. What if your son was a homosexual?



<< << believe that the government, and majority should decide when an abortion can be formed without scientific evidence. >>



I just find baby Genocide kinda repulsive. >>


So does someone have the right to choose or not?

 

[Amused]

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<< Um, I'm sorry, but if the upper class is forced to support the lower classes, that not only infringes on the rights of the upper class, but dooms the lower class to a perpetual welfare status. You can't guarantee the rights of one group by robbing another group of their rights. All you accomplish is the exact same thing you claim to be against. >>


/me falls over laughing.
Did we not go to war with britain to get AWAY from that kind of thinking?
Yes abuse is bad, no, not everyone abuses the system.
But by what you say, WHO is getting the money and the rights?
The upper class keeps the rights and gives a fraction to the lower classes. >>



Complete BS, and the very class envyism I was speaking of.

The US has no caste system, no laws preventing the poor from gaining their own wealth, and no laws guaranteeing different rights to different financial classes.

Money is not rights, and rights are not money. They are mutually exclusive in the US.

Britain had, by law, a caste and nobility system in place. Those born poor had no rights to gain wealth, and those born rich had rights the poor were deprived of. Our Constitution forbids such practices, and as such, our poor have every right and opportunity to gain wealth (and hundreds of thousands do so every generation). It may require hard work and risk, because there is no guarantee they will gain wealth, only a guarantee they have every right to pursue it unfettered by law.

It is painfully obvious you have no earthly idea what our Founding Fathers intended when they created the United States. They had no concept of social welfare, other than voluntary charities. They had no concept of wealth redistribution. (Note the Constitution says &quot;promote the general welfare&quot;, not &quot;provide the general welfare.&quot And they had no concept of nanny-state laws that deprive the majority of their rights, in an effort to protect them from the irresponsibility of the minority... or worse yet, themselves.

The concept of the Constitution was equality under the law. NOT economic equality, which is an impossibility. The poor do not, and cannot become wealthy by robbing the successful of their rightfully earned wealth. To do so will simply make everyone poor, as it will remove most, if not all incentive to succeed.

 

[Kilgor]

<< A conservative influenced view point. What if your son was a homosexual? >>



If my son were homosexual he would still be my son, just my nasty deviant son. Contrary to popular belief poking someone up the bunghole is not natural, it servers no purpose. Males were not made to copulate together.



<< So does someone have the right to choose or not? >>



As long as it is legal people can murder all the babies they want. Just because something is legal doesn?t make it right though. I just find the way some people use abortion as birth control repulsive.

 

[ToBeMe]

Kilgor.......you're hitting the nail right on the head with your comments/answers!

 

[etech]

A quick observation,

It is rare to find a thread started by a &quot;conservative&quot; member of this board bashing liberals. It is not so rare to find threads by the more liberal members bashing or being intolerent of conservatives.

Which group is more 'disturbing' if that is true?

 

[Capn]

&quot;Homosexuality is a sin... &quot;

This is not an extreme view, this is an perfectly normal opinion. Your attempt to classify moderate disagreement on an issue as &quot;extremist&quot; is pathetic. We do not need your type of thought policing around here.

 

[Tominator]

I'll add that we may never make abortion illegal, but...QUIT SPENDING MY DAMN TAX MONEY TO DO IT!!

...of course, I've just pointed out one of the profound differences between Liberals and Conservatives. Liberals think it is not YOUR money. They will allow you to keep what they think you need. They will then spend the remaining on their own agenda.

Ever notice that not a thing in the Liberal Agenda has ever taken place through passing a law as intended by the Constitution? The only way they can do anything is through Liberal Judges legislateing from the bench.

Abortion on demand.

Prayer in School, or in public.

Gun Control.

Special rights.

All were legislated opinions.

Liberals are against anything that THEY did not start...doesn't matter if it fails, it is the intent that matters.

 

[Drekce]

<<Homosexuality is a sin... >>


Let me give my thoughts on this...

1. To consider something a sin you must be a Christian to begin with

2. If you are a Christian you MUST believe in what the Bible says as the Bible is God's word.

3. The Bible says that homosexuality is a sin.

4. I am a Christian...I believe that homosexuality is a sin...BUT...

I know some homosexuals. I do not hate them. I treat them as normal human beings who need to be saved just like many others.

The Bible says that no sin is worse in God's eyes than any other, so being a homosexual is a sin just like telling a lie is. Both are sins. Both need to be forgiven. But neither is cause for hate.

 

[daveman]

<< It is rare to find a thread started by a &quot;conservative&quot; member of this board bashing liberals. It is not so rare to find threads by the more liberal members bashing or being intolerent of conservatives. >>



This is true. I think one reason is most conservative threads would be quickly locked. Liberals expect us to bow down to their immoral ways, but when our views are said they call us prejudice. Of course not all are like that but most are.

 

[isildur]

ah yes, the eternal conflict of the &quot;tolerant&quot; liberal-minded's and the &quot;self-righteous&quot; conservative-minded's...

...anyone else notice that these characterizations are somewhat blurry these days?

&quot;...the 'tolerant' crowd needs to be more tolerant of the 'righteousness' crowd, and the 'righteousness' crowd needs to be more righteous toward the 'tolerant' crowd...&quot;

 

[WordSmith2000]

Um, Drecke, could you please show me, in the Old Testament, where it says &quot;homosexuality is a sin?&quot;

No vague references please.

The difference between liberals and conservatives can be summed up like this: Liberals think that the government should be more involved with raising the standards of living for people. Conservatives do not. The exceptions for the conservatives are, if you are a large corporation or a millionaire, then you should get government help (witness Gov Bailouts of big businesses and tax breaks for the rich.)

The exceptions for the liberals are, they do not want the conservatives to set the &quot;standards&quot; for living, which involve prayer in schools, no abortions, etc.

Conservatives do not really believe in less Gov. they believe in UNless gov. Keeping the environment clean is nice UNLESS we need to build a plant. Free enterprise is nice UNLESS it means lowered profits for big business. Lowered government spending is good UNLESS you are a military contractor. The list goes on, but most of you get the point.

 

[Drekce]

OK Wordsmith...


These are all from the King James Version


Leviticus 18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Leviticus 20:13

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Romans 1:27

And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.


I think that those verses are pretty clear!