This was an interesting watch. I do hate the thumbnail they used for it, normally they're a little more tasteful. Sources cited in the description.
You appear to be suffering from a sever emotional disturbance.3 is totally on par with the originals! I'll kill everyone to save that hill!
And RFK jr’s brain worm already consumed it before moving on to RFK jr.I believe it will be proven that pcgeek, Greenman, and RedSquirrel all share the same brain.
What, exactly is secondhand weed?! This is a serious question because I've never heard of that term. Must be something local…Seriously sometimes when I come on this forum I feel like I'm in the Matrix.
Some people are like the Architect wanting perfection.
Some people like me are like Oracle knowing perfection doesn't exist..
And some people (trump voters) think we need Neo to save the day but their savior is transactional like the Merovingian.
Super bad analogy but that's what smoking 2nd hand weed does to me!
Indus sees someone toking, he runs up to them and sucks the haze out of the other person's lungs.What, exactly is secondhand weed?! This is a serious question because I've never heard of that term. Must be something local…
Just second-hand smoke, but from weed, I expect.What, exactly is secondhand weed?! This is a serious question because I've never heard of that term. Must be something local…
Just second-hand smoke, but from weed, I expect.
So where is this data?I mean, you can be skeptical all you want, but it still exists. Being skeptical about the placebo effect at this point is about as rational as being skeptical that the earth is round. Nocebo is the same. Enough data to back up both to allay your fears that it's either bias or regression to the mean.
Here's a nice list of citations as well as actual physical effects that result from the effect. I trust in your own Google skills to find further information.So where is this data?
What there is, is a great deal of historical data that medical science is always incomplete and that there has always been a vast number of physical medical conditions that have gone unrecognized at any given time. And that these conditions have tended to be explained away as demonic possession, hysteria, conversion disorder, somatisation disorder, or 'functional neurological disorder', or whatever they are calling the ghosts in the machine this week.
Assuming that medical knowledge is complete is about as rational as being skeptical that the earth is round.
This is a population control method I can get behind. Let them eat horse paste and drink raw milk.Apparently, raw milk sales have spiked because people think drinking the bird flu will give them immunity.
Here's a nice list of citations as well as actual physical effects that result from the effect. I trust in your own Google skills to find further information.
The Fascinating Mechanisms and Implications of the Placebo Effect
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Here's a nice list of citations as well as actual physical effects that result from the effect. I trust in your own Google skills to find further information.
The Fascinating Mechanisms and Implications of the Placebo Effect
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Sounds like you have some personal skin in the game. Have you considered the alternative, that there can actually be physiological effects that come from a person's mental state, both positive and negative? And that you can actually have debilitating, life-long physical issues as a result of life-long mental issues? And likewise, you can actually have a beneficial healing effect from dedicated effort in improving your mental state? 'Cuz I've seen it first hand in multiple people.I mean, what I've mostly seen is weak evidence for an effect on subjective self-reported conditions, like depression.
But I don't see where the basis is for all the doctors and psychiatrists who angrily snapped at me that there was no physical cause for my multiple, generally extremely painful, physical symptoms and that they must all be my fault for being stupid and irrational and not a good bourgeois like themselves.
Sounds like you have some personal skin in the game. Have you considered the alternative, that there can actually be physiological effects that come from a person's mental state, both positive and negative? And that you can actually have debilitating, life-long physical issues as a result of life-long mental issues? And likewise, you can actually have a beneficial healing effect from dedicated effort in improving your mental state? 'Cuz I've seen it first hand in multiple people.
Regarding your article, which finds that in 0 or 1 situations, placebos don't help, I don't think anyone is advocating or claiming that they'll fix anything/everything. I'll note that article is really lacking in any actual information or citations however, it's closer to a news article than an actual scientific paper. I'd be curious to know which binary studies they were looking at. If it's cancer, yeah... I wouldn't expect placebos to help.
It sounds like you're saying that psychologists and psychiatrists are completely ineffective and serve no purpose, do I understand this correctly? Are you really positing that there's no value in medical treatment for depression, bipolar disorders, and so forth? But also arguing that the placebo effect isn't real?The other point is that for "mental issues" they have no effective treatments for them. You can go through repeated treatments for such issues and if it makes no difference to the symptoms, that is just explained away as being due to your lack of faith in the treatment, or your not doing them 'right'. Thus that hypothesis appears to be entirely unfalsifiable. Did you really see people actually _cured_ 'first hand' or did you just see people who had been bullied into shutting up about their symptoms?
I mean, if the reason for a physical ailment is a mental cause, what physical resolution are you looking for? If your mind is telling you your abdomen hurts and there's zero physical cause, what pill/surgery/massage treatment are you looking to get to resolve it?But saying "you can actually have debilitating, life-long physical issues as a result of life-long mental issues" is addressing the wrong problem, when the problem these days is not that such mental causes are neglected (though I still suspect they represent a tiny minority of cases), rather it's that far too much emphasis is placed on them, because doctors seem to consider it too much work (or the system doesn't have the resources, or the knowledge) to properly investigate the possibility of physical causes.
Huh? That's a very 1970's view of things and I don't believe most people see things that way anymore. The vast majority of rational adults (or at least all the ones I know) acknowledge the socioeconomic realities of crime and punishment, the plight of the unemployed/'unemployable', etc. Are you penance-watching Fox or something?I suspect the underlying reason is that the ideological climate now tends towards blaming all problems on the ideas in individual's heads. Hence unemployment is blamed on the attitudes of the unemployed, crime (or racism) on the mysterious intrinsic wickedness of criminals (and the racists), and health problems on the wrong thoughts of those suffering from them.
I mean, the statement that there's no effective treatment is overtly false. Mental health treatment is an advanced, but well trodden field, and yes there is effective treatment for a wide range of mental health issues, from mundane to extraordinary. Now if someone chooses to ignore the professional and disregard the treatment plan/recommendations, that's something entirely different. It is also true that the field of psychology also has their trash members, just like any other field. Remember that the person who graduated last of their class in medical school is still called 'Doctor'.The other point is that for "mental issues" they have no effective treatments for them. You can go through repeated treatments for such issues and if it makes no difference to the symptoms, that is just explained away as being due to your lack of faith in the treatment, or your not doing them 'right'.
Yeah, absolutely. For myself: stress induced weight gain (irrespective of food intake and activity levels), heart palpitations, uncontrolled panic symptoms, IBS. Managed through investigating childhood traumas and working on my own stress management techniques. For another close to me: actual migraines (like the vertigo throwing-up kind), IBS, full-on panic attacks, probably some other physical symptoms I'm forgetting, all caused by being in an abusive relationship. Managed by getting out of that, working through their own childhood traumas as well as those experienced in the abusive relationship, working on stress management techniques.Did you really see people actually _cured_ 'first hand' or did you just see people who had been bullied into shutting up about their symptoms?
This case report illustrates why a proper workup
is paramount for psychiatric differential diagnos-
tics, even though history and psychopathology are
highly suggestive of schizophrenia
When Mitchell met Kral in the emergency department at Cedars-Sinai Marina del Rey Hospital, the young woman was agitated and incoherent. Kral had arrived in a police car and had been placed on an involuntary mental-health hold after becoming violent at her prior treatment center. Following a physical exam, Kral was to be transferred to a psychiatric hospital.
Kral's mental and physical health had been deteriorating for years after an apparent case of severe depression forced her to drop out of college. Strange symptoms—loss of balance, urinary incontinence and loss of the ability to function—had landed Kral in a residential treatment center and now the emergency department.
Mitchell told The Washington Post she listened to a gut instinct and ordered a CT scan of Kral's head. The scan revealed that Kral had hydrocephalus, an accumulation of fluid in the brain, that had been undiagnosed for years. It was the most severe case of hydrocephalus that Mitchell had ever encountered.
I mean, if the reason for a physical ailment is a mental cause, what physical resolution are you looking for? If your mind is telling you your abdomen hurts and there's zero physical cause, what pill/surgery/massage treatment are you looking to get to resolve it?
Huh? That's a very 1970's view of things and I don't believe most people see things that way anymore. The vast majority of rational adults (or at least all the ones I know) acknowledge the socioeconomic realities of crime and punishment, the plight of the unemployed/'unemployable', etc. Are you penance-watching Fox or something?
I mean, the statement that there's no effective treatment is overtly false. Mental health treatment is an advanced, but well trodden field, and yes there is effective treatment for a wide range of mental health issues, from mundane to extraordinary. Now if someone chooses to ignore the professional and disregard the treatment plan/recommendations, that's something entirely different. It is also true that the field of psychology also has their trash members, just like any other field. Remember that the person who graduated last of their class in medical school is still called 'Doctor'.
Alright, I'll rephrase: zero evidence of any physical cause. If all elements of a person's abdomen are physiologically normal, and insofar as we can determine their nervous system is functioning normally, we have to presume the mind is triggering pain receptors when it shouldn't. This is thoroughly documented in the scope of 'Somatic Symptom Disorder' and is completely manageable as a psychological condition. That is not to say that every instance if 'we dunno' is psychological, but some are, and it's far more common and likely than 'exceedingly rare diseases 1, 7, and 13' (occam's razor and all that).How do you know there's "zero physical cause"? How can you know that, given the fact that medical knowledge is incomplete and the ability to examine the body is limited by the current technology available?
You illustrate the entire problem - the tendency to assume omniscience, and to employ that God-of-the-gaps reasoning.
Now you're mixing things up, those in power don't give two shits about how anyone in the working class is treated because the whole point is to perpetuate inter-class warfare to avoid anyone looking upward. Class warfare is the only warfare. Everything else is a distraction.It's clearly not the case for those actually in power. For example, the way governments tend to treat unemployment - by means of introducing more-and-more punitive programs to coerce the unemployed into jobs. E.g. this government introduced "the work programme" that aimed to deal with unemployment by "coaching" people into work, by adjusting their attitudes and improving their job-search abilities, etc. They keep introducing more crack-downs on the unemployed, but do very little to actually create more jobs.
Similarly, the issue of road safety is dealt with by the government via "education", hectoring pedestrians and cyclists with poster campaigns and lectures on 'being seen', and asking motorists to play nicely - rather than physically remaking roads to make bad behaviour by motorists physically more difficult and to create dedicated space for pedestrians and cyclists.
Absolutely untrue. Any psychologist worth a shit is going to have multiple treatment paths prepared, because different things work for different people. Humans aren't robots, we don't all respond identically to the same stimuli, and I'd never expect one psychological treatment to work for every person who has the same condition.But the 'treatment plan' always just boils down to telling you to stop having the symptoms. Then when you continue to have the symptoms, they conclude you are 'disregarding the treatment plan', so by definition it's your fault. Either you stop having the symptoms - in which case the treatment worked. Or you continue to have them, in which case you didn't do as you were told. Either way the trreatment can't fail. Thus it's non-falsifiable.
There's always that old joke: what do you call someone who graduates at the bottom of their class from medical school? "Doctor". Definitely some low-tier doctors out there across multiple disciplines.Absolutely untrue. Any psychologist worth a shit is going to have multiple treatment paths prepared, because different things work for different people. Humans aren't robots, we don't all respond identically to the same stimuli, and I'd never expect one psychological treatment to work for every person who has the same condition.
It sounds a lot like you've had to work with really shit-tier psychologists, and I'm not just pulling a 'no true scotsman' fallacy here. You should never be told that you weren't doing as you were told, if you actually were.