Fuck I am dumber for having read that.
Especially about the last part about shitty bishops having “courage”.
It’s funny watching religious people ignore Jesus and still try to claim the moral high ground.
Fuck I am dumber for having read that.I don't think we are being persecuted. It's not like we are being imprisoned or put to death. I do think that there is generally an attempt, by some, to try and silence us (you can have your faith, but shut up and stay out of politics). I'm more concerned what is happening in our own church, than in the world at large. Pope Francis is doing more to suppress devoted US catholics than any government of group (about 30% of US catholics are devote). He's done the same in Africa, but their bishops have put their foot down and refuse to accept some of his 'teachings'. They have some real courage.
If the church really wants to be in politics, then it can pay taxes. Simple as that.I don't think we are being persecuted. It's not like we are being imprisoned or put to death. I do think that there is generally an attempt, by some, to try and silence us (you can have your faith, but shut up and stay out of politics). I'm more concerned what is happening in our own church, than in the world at large. Pope Francis is doing more to suppress devoted US catholics than any government of group (about 30% of US catholics are devote). He's done the same in Africa, but their bishops have put their foot down and refuse to accept some of his 'teachings'. They have some real courage.
But that's (going by the teaching of your church) going against the literal word of God!I don't think we are being persecuted. It's not like we are being imprisoned or put to death. I do think that there is generally an attempt, by some, to try and silence us (you can have your faith, but shut up and stay out of politics). I'm more concerned what is happening in our own church, than in the world at large. Pope Francis is doing more to suppress devoted US catholics than any government of group (about 30% of US catholics are devote). He's done the same in Africa, but their bishops have put their foot down and refuse to accept some of his 'teachings'. They have some real courage.
An actual modern Jesus would split his time between war torn regions, blasting politicians on Twitter, hanging out with anti war protesters, and probably sneaking displaced people across various borders.If the church really wants to be in politics, then it can pay taxes. Simple as that.
Francis is the truest Catholic Pope in a while. Much moreso than his predecessor who was interested in pruning the tree of the church, as it were (get rid of the chreasters and only have the most devout of souls in the church).
If Jesus were hanging around with the poor, the sick, and the taxpayers in his time, whom do you think he would serve today? Would he look down on migrants? Would he demonize the LGBTQ community? Would he enact legislation that disenfranchises or even purposefully targets marginalized communities?
Come on. That's a silly suggestion. I said I was concerned that the pope, and those around him, were trying to suppress various priests and bishops in in the US an Africa (he had no success in Africa because they are more unified than we are).So you are not happy he called residential school a genocide?
I'm not allowed to have a human moment? I popped off a bit, so what?You don't think you're being persecuted, other than saying "y'all hate Christians",
Not the church - US christians and catholics in general.If the church really wants to be in politics, then it can pay taxes. Simple as that.
Nah. JPII was the best, if you read his encyclicals**. It is true that he was ineffective at dealing with the sex crime problems amongst priest. In part, they literally lied to the Vatican in their reports and visits.Francis is the truest Catholic Pope in a while. Much moreso than his predecessor who was interested in pruning the tree of the church, as it were (get rid of the chreasters and only have the most devout of souls in the church).
I do think that there is generally an attempt, by some, to try and silence us (you can have your faith, but shut up and stay out of politics).
Sure you are, but I do think it's representative of how you actually feel. Persecution is more than just being imprisoned or put to death.Come on. That's a silly suggestion. I said I was concerned that the pope, and those around him, were trying to suppress various priests and bishops in in the US an Africa (he had no success in Africa because they are more unified than we are).
I'm not allowed to have a human moment? I popped off a bit, so what?
I think of religions as bridges to an other reality, the one that is real. What difference does it make to those who live in the Garden, by which door they entered. None will enter with ego and none without can be denied. There is one truth and it covers us all. Ask yourself if you really need to knock people off a bridge that is unsuitable for you to cross if it may be possible for them. Forgive them for their blindness so you can forgive yourself for your own.My parents do the same thing for 50+ years now. That doesn't mean they aren't batshit crazy with a tenuous grasp on reality at best. All the studying in the world isn't going to recapture the essence of living in those times. There will always be unknowns. Think about how historians are going to translate "booty call" and "butt dial" 2000 years from now.
I didn't say anything about Paul being rich. Does someone going to prison mean they could not have been a con man? What kind of logic is that? I also gave you a literal example: Jesus said you need to forgive in order to be forgiven, Paul said you just need to accept Jesus to be forgiven or whatever. Paul also said that shit about women. Who worships a piece of shit like that?
Shocking. Christians are hypocrites for the most part. So filled with arrogance with stones in handsDon't know if it was previously mentioned in this thread but I do recall how a forum member previously posted that (paraphrased) ---> most if not all Christians consider the Ten Commandments as "The Ten Suggestions".
This due to how they want to live their lives within the church's teachings while attempting to adjust their lives to the ever changing "societal norms" that occurs from being a nation where personal freedoms are inalienable rights.
Shocking. Christians are hypocrites for the most part. So filled with arrogance with stones in hands
Honestly, I do not feel persecuted. Frustrated with this board where the vast majority are opposed to most of my views on social issues, and dismissive in general to the idea that any argument based on a theological way of thought is valid - yeah. Hence my 'rage' post, as I guess it came across.Sure you are, but I do think it's representative of how you actually feel. Persecution is more than just being imprisoned or put to death.
Why do you think so many are in opposition to you and your views, and why does that frustrate you so?Frustrated with this board where the vast majority are opposed to most of my views on social issues, and dismissive in general to the idea that any argument based on a theological way of thought is valid
I think you just need to spend a bit more time in the real world. You seem to be living in a theological bubble.Honestly, I do not feel persecuted. Frustrated with this board where the vast majority are opposed to most of my views on social issues, and dismissive in general to the idea that any argument based on a theological way of thought is valid - yeah. Hence my 'rage' post, as I guess it came across.
FtfyI think you just need to spend a bit more time in the real world. You seem to be living in atheologicalbubble.
1. You are 100% free to live YOUR views in YOUR life. If you want to live your life according to the dictates of your church you are free to do so. What you are not free to do is to impose your religious practices on the those who don't want to live that way.Honestly, I do not feel persecuted. Frustrated with this board where the vast majority are opposed to most of my views on social issues, and dismissive in general to the idea that any argument based on a theological way of thought is valid - yeah. Hence my 'rage' post, as I guess it came across.
Nah. JPII was the best, if you read his encyclicals**. It is true that he was ineffective at dealing with the sex crime problems amongst priest. In part, they literally lied to the Vatican in their reports and visits.
**Actually, Pope St. Pius X was likely the best pope since St. Peter.
Wait what? You mean the Holy See is not hand picked by God(through the Cardinals' hands?Not the church - US christians and catholics in general.
Nah. JPII was the best, if you read his encyclicals**. It is true that he was ineffective at dealing with the sex crime problems amongst priest. In part, they literally lied to the Vatican in their reports and visits.
**Actually, Pope St. Pius X was likely the best pope since St. Peter.
Tell me you don't understand Catholicism and the hierarchy of the Church without telling me you know anything about them...I don't think we are being persecuted. It's not like we are being imprisoned or put to death. I do think that there is generally an attempt, by some, to try and silence us (you can have your faith, but shut up and stay out of politics). I'm more concerned what is happening in our own church, than in the world at large. Pope Francis is doing more to suppress devoted US catholics than any government of group (about 30% of US catholics are devote). He's done the same in Africa, but their bishops have put their foot down and refuse to accept some of his 'teachings'. They have some real courage.