I'm very skeptical, at best. I'd like to see the details of the patent before making any final judgments, but this kind of miracle machine has been claimed by dozens in the past to no avail. It's just not that easy to convert a mixture of things into a relatively uniform product. Even if it only broke down one kind of plastic, you would still end up with a product distribution.?I use paper, plastics, textiles and rubbish,? Koch told Reuters.
Given what I know about catalysis, polymer processing, and oil processing, there is about zero chance that such a device could exist. There is simply no way you can reduce polymers, oil, paper, and what-have-you under the same conditions and hope to achieve a product distribution similar enough to mimic the behavior of gasoline.This catalytic technology will give the advantage to produce syntetic "light-fuel" out of any type of hydrocarbon containing raw-material like biomass (wood, straw e.g.), oil and plastics like PVC of PU. The low-temperature catalytic process produces syntetic light-fuel similar to regular Dieseloil (D2 ref EU Norm) without any Dioxin or Furan byproducts or poisoned outputs. The process is automatically controlled and the Units are build under highest quality raffinerie standards.
The productions costs of 0.40 ?/Ltr, together with an efficiency of 40%-80% (depending on the input material) qualifies the Technology as an real alternative of Biomass transformation to fuel and best choice.
The advantages of this technology are:
- any type of hydro-carbon containing input material
(wood, biomass, plastics, oil etc)
- closed process with no poisoned output (no dioxin, no furan)
- low-temperatures (max 350° Celsius)
- no pressure (nearly pressureless closed system)
- fully automatically controlled system with small maintenance
- high efficiency (up to 80% depending input material)
- low-price for Fuel production ( less than 30 ct/Ltr)
- highest quality of the output fuel (EU-Norm)
- de-central, small capacity Units (500 Ltr/hr for usage everywhere)
- additional electric energie and heat production
- positive energy balance
- reasonable price of approx 3.0 to 4.0 Million ? / Unit with a
capacity of approx. 500 Ltr output per hour
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
I'm very skeptical, at best. I'd like to see the details of the patent before making any final judgments, but this kind of miracle machine has been claimed by dozens in the past to no avail. It's just not that easy to convert a mixture of things into a relatively uniform product. Even if it only broke down one kind of plastic, you would still end up with a product distribution.?I use paper, plastics, textiles and rubbish,? Koch told Reuters.
edit: I did a quick Google search and found the page for the invention. Here are the "technical details", which make me even more skeptical.
Given what I know about catalysis, polymer processing, and oil processing, there is about zero chance that such a device could exist. There is simply no way you can reduce polymers, oil, paper, and what-have-you under the same conditions and hope to achieve a product distribution similar enough to mimic the behavior of gasoline.This catalytic technology will give the advantage to produce syntetic "light-fuel" out of any type of hydrocarbon containing raw-material like biomass (wood, straw e.g.), oil and plastics like PVC of PU. The low-temperature catalytic process produces syntetic light-fuel similar to regular Dieseloil (D2 ref EU Norm) without any Dioxin or Furan byproducts or poisoned outputs. The process is automatically controlled and the Units are build under highest quality raffinerie standards.
The productions costs of 0.40 ?/Ltr, together with an efficiency of 40%-80% (depending on the input material) qualifies the Technology as an real alternative of Biomass transformation to fuel and best choice.
The advantages of this technology are:
- any type of hydro-carbon containing input material
(wood, biomass, plastics, oil etc)
- closed process with no poisoned output (no dioxin, no furan)
- low-temperatures (max 350° Celsius)
- no pressure (nearly pressureless closed system)
- fully automatically controlled system with small maintenance
- high efficiency (up to 80% depending input material)
- low-price for Fuel production ( less than 30 ct/Ltr)
- highest quality of the output fuel (EU-Norm)
- de-central, small capacity Units (500 Ltr/hr for usage everywhere)
- additional electric energie and heat production
- positive energy balance
- reasonable price of approx 3.0 to 4.0 Million ? / Unit with a
capacity of approx. 500 Ltr output per hour
20.9.2005
15:02 Uhr
Dear Sir,
I write from Nigeria,Am partner to Steve Idowu in Russia.
Your discovery and invention I must say is a leading break through in the world of science and the effort must be commended.
The effort cannot be more appropriate for those of us that deal in environmental issues.
KEY ISSUES
Africa, particularly West Africa, has wastes mostly mixed with sand because, we have alot of dust and sandy climate in hot Africa. The plant should therefore take note of sand seperation.
However since ID-NOBLE introduces the KDV 500 Plant to my Company ISHAK-SONEH NIGERIA LIMITED we got interested and we have started marketing the plant already.Strategy is already being developed for a bigger African market despite the rough terrain.
I must say we have received encouraging response from our client and very soon we shall getting talking in details as soon we all formalise our relationship with you.
In the light of the above, I suggest the memorandum of understanding and aggreement for African sales be concluded urgently so that the first tropicalised plant for Africa can be produces as quickly as possible.
This will further boost the marketting we have been doing.
I hope that this mail will receive urgent attention.
Thanks
Sam
Chemical engineering. My bachelor's degree was with a concentration in polymer engineering.Originally posted by: daniel49
You sound like your in the plastics buisness or something are you?
Originally posted by: mdchesne
so what's wrong with using dead cats? 20 per tank (i know it's fake, but hear me out).... cats are like large rabbits. rabbits repopulate like nutz! we just breed rabbits, and whenever we need a refill, we add about 40 rabbits to a barrel and use the KBV 500 technique on them! lol. JK! i want to know how he does that with fuel though! I'll get an old cadilac that runs on diesel and just use my trash!
Yes, this sort of thing is feasible. The key is that you can't convert inputs A, B, C, D, and E using the same process F and get product G. If you treat five different inputs the same way, you'll end up with five different products almost guaranteed.Originally posted by: aka1nas
There is actually a more reputable process being developed that is similar to this. It needs to be reconfigured for different inputs and produces light-grade oils and various other outputs. I think I read that they have a trial factory somewhere in the south(can't remember the state offhand) at the Butterball poultry factory that takes all the guts and breaks it down into oil and sulphur and other compounds.
This article describes the Butterball plant, though access to the full article requires a login.Originally posted by: aka1nas
There is actually a more reputable process being developed that is similar to this. It needs to be reconfigured for different inputs and produces light-grade oils and various other outputs. I think I read that they have a trial factory somewhere in the south(can't remember the state offhand) at the Butterball poultry factory that takes all the guts and breaks it down into oil and sulphur and other compounds.
Originally posted by: Glib
This article describes the Butterball plant, though access to the full article requires a login.Originally posted by: aka1nas
There is actually a more reputable process being developed that is similar to this. It needs to be reconfigured for different inputs and produces light-grade oils and various other outputs. I think I read that they have a trial factory somewhere in the south(can't remember the state offhand) at the Butterball poultry factory that takes all the guts and breaks it down into oil and sulphur and other compounds.
http://www.discover.com/issues/may-03/features/featoil/
And this article describes the technology used
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_depolymerization
Originally posted by: aka1nas
There is actually a more reputable process being developed that is similar to this. It needs to be reconfigured for different inputs and produces light-grade oils and various other outputs. I think I read that they have a trial factory somewhere in the south(can't remember the state offhand) at the Butterball poultry factory that takes all the guts and breaks it down into oil and sulphur and other compounds.