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CDC: More vaccinated adults hospitalized with omicron, but fewer admitted to ICU (msn.com)[The Hill]

From mid-July through mid-December, the proportion of fully vaccinated adults in Los Angeles County increased nearly 20 percent, from approximately 65 percent to 77 percent, but the proportion of COVID-19 hospitalizations occurring in fully vaccinated adults increased almost 60 percent, from approximately 25 percent to 40 percent.

The CDC also noted that while some reports indicated omicron was causing less severe illness compared to delta, most patients hospitalized during the early omicron period still suffered from severe lower respiratory illness.

BUT

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) analysis of a single hospital in Los Angeles found there were more hospitalizations during omicron compared to delta, but that among omicron-period patients, vaccination - particularly vaccination plus a booster dose - was associated with lower likelihood of admission to an intensive care unit.

Which is good news.
 

Heartbreaker

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No sympathy from me, after seeing all the shit Antivaxxers cause. They harass and attack people just trying to do their jobs during a crisis. Health care workers are pushed to breaking point exactly because these selfish shit stains can't do their part, and end up flooding hospitals, and on top of that they even physically and verbally attack health care workers.

More people are dying because cancer and other treatments are postponed to deal the selfish behaviour.

Selfishness to the point of costing innocent lives.

Right now they are occupying the capital in Canada with big rig trucks. Making everyone's life worse.

IMO, if you are doing your worse, to make life harder for people just trying to get by in a crisis, then you aren't much of Human being.

IMO, Antivaxxer = enemy of humanity.

So when an antivaxxer dies, it just feels like some small bit of Karma balancing the scale for the harm they do.
 
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eikelbijter

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After work, I came home and I found your post (#3873) to clear up your false accusation of me lying in your prior post, and to clear up the question if my memory is off. Specially since you didn't have the integrity to present the post. Take note of the bold type, specifically the underlined part, in what YOU Wrote:

Do you even comprehend what you said there? Even though you dressed it up as under 18s being vaccinated indiscriminately, what you said there means vaccines are not accepted science world wide. You can't single out part of the science, or a particular age group and state it's not an acceptable science worldwide, and then try to claim you never said vaccinations aren't accepted science worldwide because that is exactly what you did for a particular age group (under 18s). Unless you try to ignore the under 18 year old's, that you made your claim about. Under 18 year old's being vaccinated is part of the very science you are trying to manipulate.

It doesn't matter how you dress it up or try to back peddle, I'm not the one who lied here, nor is their a problem with my memory. Either you are the deliberately trying to be dishonest with your false accusations. Or, you not only fail at comprehending what other's say in their posts, you can't even comprehend what you type in your own damn posts.. And you wonder why I call you an idiot! It is purely all about your stupidity in your posts, and nothing to do with anger.

This right here proves you are dumb as a rock, or disingenuous, you pick. We're talking about COVID vaccines, not ALL vaccines. Honestly, I can't believe you'd be THAT stupid, so you're just trying to be clever here. Facts is, vaccination all kids against COVID isn't accepted science. As a matter of FACT, Sweden decided against it.


You have been told numerous times to stay out of this thread unless you are talking about actual covidiots. Yet here you are posting in this thread again, but NOT about covidiots. "Honestly, I can't believe you'd be THAT stupid", but apparently you are.

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fskimospy

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This right here proves you are dumb as a rock, or disingenuous, you pick. We're talking about COVID vaccines, not ALL vaccines. Honestly, I can't believe you'd be THAT stupid, so you're just trying to be clever here. Facts is, vaccination all kids against COVID isn't accepted science. As a matter of FACT, Sweden decided against it.

Guys he GOT the SHOT. All he’s trying to say is [insert anti-vax lie].
 

NWRMidnight

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This right here proves you are dumb as a rock, or disingenuous, you pick. We're talking about COVID vaccines, not ALL vaccines. Honestly, I can't believe you'd be THAT stupid, so you're just trying to be clever here. Facts is, vaccination all kids against COVID isn't accepted science. As a matter of FACT, Sweden decided against it.


You have been told numerous times to stay out of this thread unless you are talking about actual covidiots. Yet here you are posting in this thread again, but NOT about covidiots. "Honestly, I can't believe you'd be THAT stupid", but apparently you are.

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With all due respect allisolm, he can't talk about covidiots because he can't bring himself to talk about himself. I mean a person arguing about the COVID vaccine, in the manner in which he has done, is just a path to recruit and/or breed Covidiots.

Now, to respond to the idiot:

So you think because we are talking about the COVID Vaccine it somehow changes the meaning of what you said? It doesn't. It's just your bullshit attempt to manipulate yourself out of the hole of stupidity you created and jumped into. It's like trying to argue you don't drive, because you have a pickup truck, when we are talking about cars.

Then to top it all off, you post a short article about Sweden going against the Science with the excuse it's low risk for the children, as if you think that supports your position.. Talk about putting your stupidity on full display and demonstrating just how stupid you are.
 
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pauldun170

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Apparently there was some sort of anti-mask protest today where parents kept there kids home from our high school.
Son reported hallways were a little less crowded today.
To the shock of no one, all the kids in the honors\advance classes showed up to school as normal.
Weird how all the families with kids in the advance classes have had no issues with masks or vaccines.
 

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I've always long wondered...if COVID (or whatever the next global pandemic is) had like a 50% all age mortality, would the right still be against vaccine and mask mandates?
 

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I've always long wondered...if COVID (or whatever the next global pandemic is) had like a 50% all age mortality, would the right still be against vaccine and mask mandates?

Like real talk, if it's a mass extinction level thing like that...and a 50% death rate is probably pushing the boundaries of that.... it's going to be more along the lines of what you see post hurricane or other extreme weather event. At that level of loss core infrastructure is going to fall...power, utilities, supply chain. Ect. People are going to be looting for diapers, water and food and to survive. Politics are out the window and it's down to some basic survival. Mask mandates will be the least of our worries. Are you going to have someone trying to break into your house for basic rations.
 

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Like real talk, if it's a mass extinction level thing like that...and a 50% death rate is probably pushing the boundaries of that.... it's going to be more along the lines of what you see post hurricane or other extreme weather event. At that level of loss core infrastructure is going to fall...power, utilities, supply chain. Ect. People are going to be looting for diapers, water and food and to survive. Politics are out the window and it's down to some basic survival. Mask mandates will be the least of our worries. Are you going to have someone trying to break into your house for basic rations.

A Black Death level event is nearly inconceivable in modern terms.
 

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I see how we act with snow storms and that's just a few days. Supply chain for food and basic necessities really aren't impacted. Hell even early covid think of the run on TP. Now imagine that being a real thing where you might not get any more TP on a shelf for possibly years due to...everything crumbling. Lockdowns are one thing. Literal 50% kill rate is something we can't conceive, I agree.

If you've seen "Station 11" on HBO, that was a 99% kill rate. I don't think it even takes remotely close to that to bring modern civilization to it's knees. 50% kill rate may very well be dark age level event.
 
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If the fatality rate was the same for all age brackets as it is currently for 60+, we'd be in a different world right now. And that's, what, 0.8-1.0%? There would be multiple millions dead in the US alone.
 

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I just can't really fathom the full cascade of events. That said, I'm not sure viruses can really get that lethal as they kill off their vectors too fast.
 

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I just can't really fathom the full cascade of events. That said, I'm not sure viruses can really get that lethal as they kill off their vectors too fast.
Spanish flu was pretty damn virulent. Ebola kills probably around 50%. HIV was 100% before modern meds and it spread just fine. The caveat was it was really delicate and relatively difficult to transmit comparatively.

Viruses like covid which can be very infectious while asymptomatic are the real bitch as people wander around with this "well if you're sick stay home!" Dumbass mentality and act as plague rats. Most viruses that spread that easily aren't that deadly but there's no evolutionary pressure that couple virulence with transmissability.
 

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Small pox was around a 30% mortality rate and could be spread through conversation. Airborne are kinda worst case just due to the ease of transmission. TB was all over the board from 7-35% mortality. So we've had some pretty serious ones out there.
 

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Most viruses that spread that easily aren't that deadly but there's no evolutionary pressure that couple virulence with transmissability.

If you initially just plot disease deadliness vs infectiousness, then there is not any correlation. But, if you look longer at the graph, you see a region that is excluded. There are no known diseases with both a high fatality rate and high transmission (yet). See the upper right corner of the graph below. It is empty. But the lower left corner is quite busy with no correlation. You could draw a diagonal line from top left to bottom right and few diseases ever cross that line. When they do, it isn't far past the line.

The reason is that if the disease kills before it spreads, then not many people will ever be infected and thus few would be killed. So, while it is theoretically possible to have a disease be both highly deadly and highly infectious, the disease would need to have a delayed death function. It would need to multiply fast, spread fast, then delay, then kill.

A delay function would probably be complex. Evolution tends to form more streamlined diseases to spread faster. There is no evolutionary pressure to develop and keep any delayed death functionality since it has already done its job at spreading. It certainly can happen, but there is no reason for that to ever evolve.

 
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Part of the problem is that society hasn't had to deal with a seriously deadly epidemic in the last 50 years or more. This has caused some serious complacency.

Smallpox put the fear of God into families and neighbourhoods in the 30's and 40's. People weren't shouting "natural immunity is best" as they were terrified if the victim was even going to survive the infection.

Nothing puts things in perspective faster than a high chance of death.

Back then people lined up for shots to avoid getting sick. Granted, they did so for enlightened self-interest as well as a duty to society.
 

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If you initially just plot disease deadliness vs infectiousness, then there is not any correlation. But, if you look longer at the graph, you see a region that is excluded. There are no known diseases with both a high fatality rate and high transmission (yet). See the upper right corner of the graph below. It is empty. But the lower left corner is quite busy with no correlation. You could draw a diagonal line from top left to bottom right and few diseases ever cross that line. When they do, it isn't far past the line.

The reason is that if the disease kills before it spreads, then not many people will ever be infected and thus few would be killed. So, while it is theoretically possible to have a disease be both highly deadly and highly infectious, the disease would need to have a delayed death function. It would need to multiply fast, spread fast, then delay, then kill.

A delay function would probably be complex. Evolution tends to form more streamlined diseases to spread faster. There is no evolutionary pressure to develop and keep any delayed death functionality since it has already done its job at spreading. It certainly can happen, but there is no reason for that to ever evolve.

HIV--> AIDS is probably as close to that "delay" function as you are talking.
 
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