CPU Upgrade

[sid21]

Hey guys,
Need ur help for building a new gaming rig,my budget is around 26000-28000INR.I have a config in mind,
Phenom II x6 1090T(3.3Ghz) or phenom II x4 975 BE(3.6Ghz)
ASUS Sabertooth 990FX AM3+,
Cooler Master Elite 430
PSU-(U'l Recommend???),(Is 500w Enough if i upgrade my gpu???)
4Gb Ram,
500Gb or 1Tb HDD,
i have an XFX ATI Radeon HD 4670 1Gb graphic card,will my cpu lag behind because of my GPU???
I wont be upgrading my cpu anymore probably will change my gpu....
basically i am a gamer...
pls help... :\
also mention the latest prices for the same...
and here in pune we only have VIP SMPS i was thinking of buying VIP Gold 500w is it gud enuf???

 

[sm625]

That motherboard is $200 usd. Is that your only choice? If your going to spend that much it may as well be an intel...

 

[wuliheron]

If anything the video card is crap and won't do the cpu justice. Those AMD black editions are made for upgrading and overclocking and if you don't intend to do either then you might as well get an i5 or i7 setup.

 

[pkilway01]

Wait 6 weeks for Bulldozer to show it's performance (I would think the NDA would run out before the actual launch, so you may only have to wait 2-4 weeks).

The CM Elite 430 is a good case, I use it. It's light, but that wont make much of a difference if you don't sit on it or place it under a stack of bricks.

Definitely look at an AMD 6XXX series video card, or at least an nVidia GTX 460 (may be hard to know what exactly is above the 460 in performance since nVidia has some archaic naming convention that only makes sense to them).

 

[sid21]

That motherboard is $200 usd. Is that your only choice? If your going to spend that much it may as well be an intel...

intel keeps on changing their config within a year i agree tht intel is way ahead in terms of performance with each of its upgrades bt within my budget if i choose intel it wil b like an i5 2500k which will b uptu 1000INR,and a gud mobo will cost around d same as sabertooth.... like 9500INR...which is difficult becoz then i'l hav to compromise on buying cheap components for the rest f d things...
nd i'l upgrade my gpu later dnt wory abt it..
u'l just tell me is it d best within my budget just abt the cpu???
performance wise....?

 

[sm625]

I would buy a cheaper phenom X4 if you can get one for under $100. Like a 925. Or even an X3 720. And just make sure the upgrade path to BD is open. I dont see anything demanding more than a mildly overclocked X3 720 at 1680x1050 right now, despite what all these "buy a 2500k clowns" say. Either way you'll need a new video card long before you consider a bulldozer.

 

[exar333]

I would buy a cheaper phenom X4 if you can get one for under $100. Like a 925. Or even an X3 720. And just make sure the upgrade path to BD is open. I dont see anything demanding more than a mildly overclocked X3 720 at 1680x1050 right now, despite what all these "buy a 2500k clowns" say. Either way you'll need a new video card long before you consider a bulldozer.

OP said he doesn't want to upgrade the CPU, but would upgrade the GPU. That 2500k would be his best option. Why buy slow and keep it? Doesn't make sense. Build 2500k system now, or wait until BD is out. If OP needs the system stat, get 2500k.

 

[sid21]

OP said he doesn't want to upgrade the CPU, but would upgrade the GPU. That 2500k would be his best option. Why buy slow and keep it? Doesn't make sense. Build 2500k system now, or wait until BD is out. If OP needs the system stat, get 2500k.

ya tht's rite..
pls cn u suggest a gud config if i choose intel???
my budget is around 28k...

 

[Stuka87]

Well, if you pretty much just game, don't get the hex core. Go for the highest clocked quad you can get. Most newer games will use all four cores (like battlefield). But I don't know of any that will make use of 6. So get the quad, clock it up, and run with it.

Also, I second the above comment asking if you really need that board. Thats an extremely expensive board for an AMD system.

 

[sid21]

Well, if you pretty much just game, don't get the hex core. Go for the highest clocked quad you can get. Most newer games will use all four cores (like battlefield). But I don't know of any that will make use of 6. So get the quad, clock it up, and run with it.

Also, I second the above comment asking if you really need that board. Thats an extremely expensive board for an AMD system.

ya i knw..
the ASUS Sabertooth 990FX AM3+ is for 13625/-
so its out f my budget currently lets hope tht wen BD hits the market the prices will go down so i prefer to wait..
rite nw i've decided a few things...,
cooler master Elite 430--2700/-
crossair vx550w PSU--4625/-
amd phenom II x6 1100T around 9000,
confused abt motherboard...
which 1 shuld i gt???
nd does ram play any part in overclocking the processor???
coz we get her dynet DDr3 ram 4gb for abt 1600/-
wht do u'l suggest?

 

[Stuka87]

ya i knw..
the ASUS Sabertooth 990FX AM3+ is for 13625/-
so its out f my budget currently lets hope tht wen BD hits the market the prices will go down so i prefer to wait..
rite nw i've decided a few things...,
cooler master Elite 430--2700/-
crossair vx550w PSU--4625/-
amd phenom II x6 1100T around 9000,
confused abt motherboard...
which 1 shuld i gt???
nd does ram play any part in overclocking the processor???
coz we get her dynet DDr3 ram 4gb for abt 1600/-
wht do u'l suggest?

If you get a black edition CPU, then memory speed is not effect by overclocking. However, if you go with a non-black edition, then you have to resort to overclocking via the bus speed, rather than via multiplier. Doing it via bus speed is effected by memory, as it also overclocks your memory. Which means you will want faster memory than normal.

 

[sid21]

If you get a black edition CPU, then memory speed is not effect by overclocking. However, if you go with a non-black edition, then you have to resort to overclocking via the bus speed, rather than via multiplier. Doing it via bus speed is effected by memory, as it also overclocks your memory. Which means you will want faster memory than normal.

i'l see if i can get a black edition 1090T ortherwise i'l take Phenom II x4 975 BE which is around 8600/-
but till what limit i cn overclock it with stock cooling tell abt both f dem???
and will it be enuf in future for games???like for hw many years?
n m speaking abt the cpu only.. coz i'l b upgrading my gpu as in when required..

 

[sid21]

Uhh guys i need help please suggest something...
"i'l see if i can get a black edition 1090T ortherwise i'l take Phenom II x4 975 BE which is around 8600/-
but till what limit i cn overclock it with stock cooling tell abt both f dem???
and will it be enuf in future for games???like for hw many years?
n m speaking abt the cpu only.. coz i'l b upgrading my gpu as in when required.. "

and now i am confused about the SMPS..
at the max i can spend about 4600/- on it please suggest me the exact Watts so that it can support Crossfirex/SLI and could supply more power if i overclock my cpu...

 

[Stuka87]

While the Phenom II is starting to show its age, its still a fast CPU when you overclock it. A 975 should be able to hit 4.1-4.2 with a decent cooler.

For instance, Battlefield 3 is coming out soon, and I don't have any concerns with my Phenom II being able to handle it. More concerned with the video side of things.

For a power supply, go here and enter what you think you will end up with.
http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp

But as a guess, if you are going with CF/SLI with decent chips, a 650W will be minimum.

 

[86waterpumper]

I say the 955be is the one to go for on a amd rig right now. Fry's has it for 111.00, and the thing to remember is, alot of the cheaper OEM cpus don't
come with a heatsink and fan. Granted most here would buy a better one anyway, but if you are on a tight budget it is something to consider. The
amd heatpipe retail cooler is not all that bad really, just noisier than some...There is also a guy on ebay sometimes that sells off newegg overstock.
You can get some good deals for instance I bought a 965be for 120 bucks shipped way back at the first of the year...

 

[Jacky60]

I'd get a 2500k I can't see any justification in going for phenom/AMD unless bulldozer is in your sights. Phenom /p2 just doesn't hold a candle to Intels 2500K which is as fast in most games as a 980x. Then you can upgrade gpu a bit later when prices fall OR wait for bulldozer. Spending that much on a top end AMD mobo is madness considering they get stomped all over by a 2500K, the hex core phenom again is madness if you mostly game-In the UK you could buy a 2500K and mobo for about the same price as what you're proposing and get about 40% more performance with a little overclocking. Forget AMD unless waiting for bulldozer.

 

[Majic 7]

I'd get a 2500k I can't see any justification in going for phenom/AMD unless bulldozer is in your sights. Phenom /p2 just doesn't hold a candle to Intels 2500K which is as fast in most games as a 980x. Then you can upgrade gpu a bit later when prices fall OR wait for bulldozer. Spending that much on a top end AMD mobo is madness considering they get stomped all over by a 2500K, the hex core phenom again is madness if you mostly game-In the UK you could buy a 2500K and mobo for about the same price as what you're proposing and get about 40% more performance with a little overclocking. Forget AMD unless waiting for bulldozer.

+1 I don't see how anyone could in good conscious recommend a 111$ cpu that barely keeps up with something from Intel generations ago (775), and then spend 300 more on bulldozer. If the OP wants to wait then wait, don't spend money now when you could just as well buy something that more than likely will still be competitive with BD.

 

[kowalabearhugs]

The 970BE, 975BE and 980BE are all overpriced. You can get a i5-2400 for $189 and it will run circles around a quad Phemon. Depending on your workload, the 1100BE matches up well against the 2400 in price+performance. I would either get a x3 720 or cheapo (sub $100) 925/945/955 + oc the hell out of it and then upgrade to BD or just grab a i5-2400/2500(K) and be done with it.

 

[sm625]

Phenom 925 $79.99 today on newegg with promo code 24HRSALE629G. I cant believe something faster than my q6600 only costs $80 now.

 

[Spikesoldier]

dont get the 1090T. i would get the PII X3 720 as someone suggested and put it in the 990X board youre gonna get, and spend more money on the VGA card.

then later, when BD comes out, you have a drop-in replacement CPU available if you need more CPU power.

 

[hooflung]

My x6 1075 and x4 940 still push games like a mofo

8g DDR2-800
2 x GTX 260 216's in SLI
Nforce 780A SLI asus mobo
1TB WD black 32mb hd

I haven't ran anything that has made it show any sign of aging. The only game that even comes close is Everquest 2 (crap coding) at ultra setttings and it still does 40fps with AA and AF cranked to the max. 1920x1200 res.

i5 and i7's are nice but honestly their mobo's are quite shit compared to AMD mobo's unless you get them with NF200 chips onboard.

 

[wuliheron]

Phenom 925 $79.99 today on newegg with promo code 24HRSALE629G. I cant believe something faster than my q6600 only costs $80 now.

Its not exactly difficult to be cheaper then Intel.

 

[kowalabearhugs]

@OP

Quote:
Originally Posted by BD231
There's a thread somewhere in this CPU forum that had a bunch of benches which pretty much lead to the conclusion that as of right now six cores over four is useless for gaming, while 4 cores over 2 can bring substantial benefits.
See here http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2177408

 

[Jacky60]

My x6 1075 and x4 940 still push games like a mofo

I'm sure they do in your opinion BUT the op could get about 40% MORE performance with an intel 2500K. Maybe you think Intel boards are shit but all the benchmarks say the 2500K especially overclocked will destroy ANY AMD offering by up to 40%-50% in gaming. For the same money its truly moronic to recommend hardware that performs that poorly relatively for the the same price. Try your rigs with Witcher/Starcraft2/Arma 2/Metro 2033 and you'll understand why any serious gamer would go for Intel right now. For the same money its a no-brainer, anyone recommending AMD has no brain imho simply look at the evidence (I like AMD and wish their current CPU's performed better-I'm not brand loyal) it's just no Phenom's/Thubans remotely compare to what Intel is offering right now. I've owned countless Athlon 64's, FX51's etc but their current generation are just crap in comparison for gaming. Check benchmarks and you'll see how AMD cpu's compare.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/288?vs=185

http://www.overclock.net/general-processor-discussions/900696-4-2-ghz-phenom-ii-x6-2.html
Scroll to the SlackerIT guys comments 6 posts down then read what he says -Phenom/Thubans are a POS compared to i7 920 which itself gets owned by 2500K sandybridge by 11% at stock and sandy also overclocks easily 10-15% faster.


Be advised thats stock the lead for the 2500K will increase when both overclocked to a reasonable level.

 

[Stuka87]

I'm sure they do in your opinion BUT the op could get about 40% MORE performance with an intel 2500K. Maybe you think Intel boards are shit but all the benchmarks say the 2500K especially overclocked will destroy ANY AMD offering by about 40%-50%. For the same money its truly moronic to recommend hardware that performs that poorly relatively for the the same price. Try your rigs with Witcher/Starcraft2/Arma 2/Metro 2033 and you'll understand why any serious gamer would go for Intel right now. For the same money its a no-brainer, anyone recommending AMD has no brain imho simply look at the evidence (I like AMD and wish their current CPU's performed better-I'm not brand loyal) it's just no Phenom's/Thubans remotely compare to what Intel is offering right now. I've owned countless Athlon 64's, FX51's etc but their current generation are just crap in comparison for gaming. Check benchmarks and you'll see how AMD cpu's compare.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/288?vs=185

Be advised thats stock the lead for the 2500K will increase whn both overclocked to a reasonable level.

Wow, getting a bit personal in your attack there. Yes, Intel is faster, but for a price, and certainly NOT the "same money" as you say. When you are talking nearly double the price ($110 more for the CPU, and an average of $50 more for an equivalent mobo) for "40% more speed" thats not always a good choice. Especially if the cheaper solution will run everything the faster one will (as of today).

Because despite what you say, a properly clocked quad Phenom II will run every game that is out today. It may only get 70fps to the Intel's 100fps, but there is very little difference in gameplay once you go over 60. Especially if you run vsync to prevent tearing.

But hey, thanks for calling everybody brainless. Especially those that are trying to stay within a limited budget that Intel clearly falls outside of.