Crossfire limited to 16X12 resolution!

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: BouZouki
Stop making threads.

Thanks.

EDIT: Nice thread.

I would like 1900x/1920x if I was going with a highend solution like Crossfire/SLI.

WTH? Are you happy I've pointed out this ridiculous limitation, or do you want me to stop posting?

 

[Wreckage]

http://www.penstarsys.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi?;act=ST;f=8;t=14;r=1

Looks like it may be a valid flaw now.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Pr0d1gy
Not with Unreal Tournament 2007 it won't...I like how people pick one line out of a whole statement & try to discredit it. In 3 years, a Crossfire x850xt pe system will still run every new game on my HDTV without any problems. I mean your name is BFG for christ's sake, quit being a fanboy please.

You don't know anything until the game is released and you can test it, period. What if it uses SM4 which isn't available on X850s? Let alone SM3?

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Wreckage
http://www.penstarsys.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi?;act=ST;f=8;t=14;r=1

Looks like it may be a valid flaw now.

I never post lies Wreckage!

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Pr0d1gy
Not with Unreal Tournament 2007 it won't...I like how people pick one line out of a whole statement & try to discredit it. In 3 years, a Crossfire x850xt pe system will still run every new game on my HDTV without any problems. I mean your name is BFG for christ's sake, quit being a fanboy please.

You don't know anything until the game is released and you can test it, period. What if it uses SM4 which isn't available on X850s? Let alone SM3?

Then the SLi 7800gtx setup would be useless too by your assumptions. I choose to believe that not having a certain shader won't completely cripple the performance of my hardware, maybe because it won't. If it does cripple it, I will find a game made by developers who aren't swimming in nVidia's pocket.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Pr0d1gy
Then the SLi 7800gtx setup would be useless too by your assumptions. I choose to believe that not having a certain shader won't completely cripple the performance of my hardware, maybe because it won't. If it does cripple it, I will find a game made by developers who aren't swimming in nVidia's pocket.

I don't think it will require SM4 but I do think it very well could require SM3. I never said it was a smart move but is it going to happen? Maybe.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Pr0d1gy
Then the SLi 7800gtx setup would be useless too by your assumptions. I choose to believe that not having a certain shader won't completely cripple the performance of my hardware, maybe because it won't. If it does cripple it, I will find a game made by developers who aren't swimming in nVidia's pocket.

I don't think it will require SM4 but I do think it very well could require SM3. I never said it was a smart move but is it going to happen? Maybe.

Aren't the Crossfire X850Xt PE's goin to have SM3.0 anyways?

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Pr0d1gy
Aren't the Crossfire X850Xt PE's goin to have SM3.0 anyways?

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No.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Sorry, does no good. She doesnt gain weight. That pic is over 10 years old, was taken on our honeymoon. Shes still the exact same size, even a few pounds less I think. After two kids.. and 10+ years of marriage.

But back on topic... I really doubt ATi would limit Crossfire to 1600x1200/60Hz. I dont buy into to these rumors. There are already counter-argument rumors against it. Who knows what the truth is. A few more weeks and we'll know whats real, and whats not. If it is in fact true, its a serious blow to Crossfire to me. So much so, that it would be worthless to me, as Im far above 1600x1200.

LOL

I remember it like it was yesterday:
Ackmed trashing SLI because it didn't support WS. (now it does)
Ackmed trashing SLI because it didn't support Win2000. (who cares?)
Ackmed trashing SLI because it didn't support a freaking Apple monitor of all things. (who cares?)

Now the the tide has turned: Crossfire not doing 19X12 at anything above 52Hz, and a lowly 60Hz at 16X12. On ANY monitor- some "high end" solution! So Ackie- who is this going to be a "good" solution for?

It deserved trashing because it didnt support WS on a LCD. I didnt trash it because it doesnt support 2k, I simply said it should. Same for the 30". It also deserves trashing because it doesnt support vsync in SLI, yet. vsync and tripple buffering is VERY nice, and not offering it is sad.

If you even read my posts, I said it would be
"very, very bad", and "worthless" to me, if these rumors are true. So obviously its not a good solution for me. Try reading, BEFORE posting.

But good try?

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Pr0d1gy
Aren't the Crossfire X850Xt PE's goin to have SM3.0 anyways?

?
No.

I guess that's the R520 then? Can't you Crossfire a R520 with a X850Xt PE?

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Pr0d1gy
I guess that's the R520 then? Can't you Crossfire a R520 with a X850Xt PE?

I hope the R520 does, I can't imagine it wouldn't.

You can Crossfire an R520 with an X850XT PE but both your cards perform like the X850.

 

[Turtle 1]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
It certainly took you long enough Rollo to post this. You were several hours behind other forums. I figured since it was an anti-ATi gossip, you would have been first.

If true, it really, really sucks.

Actually I put the link in another thread at 4 in the morning

 

[Turtle 1]

Originally posted by: Pr0d1gy

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Pr0d1gy
Not with Unreal Tournament 2007 it won't...I like how people pick one line out of a whole statement & try to discredit it. In 3 years, a Crossfire x850xt pe system will still run every new game on my HDTV without any problems. I mean your name is BFG for christ's sake, quit being a fanboy please.

You don't know anything until the game is released and you can test it, period. What if it uses SM4 which isn't available on X850s? Let alone SM3?

Then the SLi 7800gtx setup would be useless too by your assumptions. I choose to believe that not having a certain shader won't completely cripple the performance of my hardware, maybe because it won't. If it does cripple it, I will find a game made by developers who aren't swimming in nVidia's pocket.

Thats the whole Idea behind WGF 2.0 and SM4 NO more opties for selected hardware thats why they call it unified. WGF 1.o may allow you to play on SM4 but there is going to be speed drops . Actually as I understand it WGF1 is there just so you can interface with Vista it will not perform all functions however. I don't believe anything less than SM4 will function on programs with that formate.

 

[DidlySquat]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Wreckage
http://www.penstarsys.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi?;act=ST;f=8;t=14;r=1

Looks like it may be a valid flaw now.

I never post lies Wreckage!

except when you said x700pro is as good as a 6600GT, or when 6800NU SLI was a very good idea.

 

[Pete]

Originally posted by: xtknight
You can Crossfire an R520 with an X850XT PE but both your cards perform like the X850.

I don't think this'll happen.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: DidlySquat

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Wreckage
http://www.penstarsys.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi?;act=ST;f=8;t=14;r=1

Looks like it may be a valid flaw now.

I never post lies Wreckage!

except when you said x700pro is as good as a 6600GT, or when 6800NU SLI was a very good idea.

PDiddy!
It was a X700XT, and 6800NU SLI isn't a bad rig!

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Pr0d1gy

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Pr0d1gy
Aren't the Crossfire X850Xt PE's goin to have SM3.0 anyways?

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No.

I guess that's the R520 then? Can't you Crossfire a R520 with a X850Xt PE?

If you want to Xfire X800xx, you need a X800 master card. If you want to Xfire X850xx, you need a X850 Master card. You can't use a X800 master card with a regular X850 card and you cant use a X850 master card with a regular X800 card.

So, I'm gonna say you will need a X1800 Master card to Xfire with a regular X1800. And you can't mix and match. Methinks.

 

[brokenpc]

Rollo,

Sigh.... I hope the Nvidia paychecks are good because you're doing a great job of guerrilla marketing. If not, I'd negotiate.

I looked into this (as simply an EE with absolutely no connection to ATI) and began speculating what ATI is doing. Now, I'm not the actual designer but I can still use some logical deduction.

First, the truths I'm basing my premise on:
1.) The only card that needs to be special is the master video card (a "crossfire edition")
2.) The signal from the slave card is delivered to the master.
3.) The final picture is created in the master and output to the display.

These are all things I'm 99% sure are correct.

Now for some speculation:

The slave is likely creating half the image (resolution reduced or actually just half the screen) and is then transmitting it to the master. This is then buffered and combined with the picture created by the crossfire edition card. The final output will be an image using both the output recieved from the slave and the master but from the master.

I'm no expert but, you know what, this is the logical way to do something like crossfire/sli (at least elegantly ).

Anyway, what's my point. Well, if you want to recieve a signal that is not the full resolution, why would you use a reciever other than one that meets your specs. The SiI 1161 will work great as a reciever of any halved/reduced-resolution signal the slave can throw out. The SiI 1171 would be overkill.

So to conclude, ATI has not dropped the ball. Just because some schmuck at rage3d writes something doesn't mean you should assume he knows what he's talking about.

 

[Wreckage]

brokenpc read the following links, it's starting to be confirmed by other sources.
http://www.penstarsys.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi?;act=ST;f=8;t=14;r=1
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=26228

 

[BFG10K]

In 3 years, a Crossfire x850xt pe system will still run every new game on my HDTV without any problems.

But a SLI setup will run it better. The whole point of having two cards is to run at high resolution levels which is exactly what crossfire appears to try to prevent you from doing.

There is simply no other way to look at this situation other than a total disaster.

 

[brokenpc]

Originally posted by: Wreckage
brokenpc read the following links, it's starting to be confirmed by other sources.
http://www.penstarsys.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi?;act=ST;f=8;t=14;r=1
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=26228

OK, good. People have got to give up their coffee for the good of the community.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: brokenpc

Originally posted by: Wreckage
brokenpc read the following links, it's starting to be confirmed by other sources.
http://www.penstarsys.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi?;act=ST;f=8;t=14;r=1
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=26228

OK, good. People have got to give up their coffee for the good of the community.

It's not coffee, it's Whiskey. You should try some, it takes the sting off the facts

 

[brokenpc]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: brokenpc

Originally posted by: Wreckage
brokenpc read the following links, it's starting to be confirmed by other sources.
http://www.penstarsys.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi?;act=ST;f=8;t=14;r=1
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=26228

OK, good. People have got to give up their coffee for the good of the community.

It's not coffee, it's Whiskey. You should try some, it takes the sting off the facts

Mmm, scotch...

Anyway, I can't agree with the premise of the inquirer article. I'm pretty sure there is nothing in the concept of crossfire to limit the resolutions. True to the style of writings in the Inquirer, it doesn't provide an acceptable level of proof that the resolutions are actually limited.

The other article makes sense though.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: brokenpc
Mmm, scotch...

Anyway, I can't agree with the premise of the inquirer article. I'm pretty sure there is nothing in the concept of crossfire to limit the resolutions. True to the style of writings in the Inquirer, it doesn't provide an acceptable level of proof that the resolutions are actually limited.

The other article makes sense though.

The Glenlivet Rocks!

Anyways, it's not the concept of crossfire, it's the execution that's suspect.

 

[amdnVuser]

Inquirer Article: Crossfire does 1600x1200@60 or 1920x1200@52 . This is getting a little more interesting. It still sucks for high res CRT owners, though. (Nothing new, just putting in my 2 cents).