Cruical Or Mushkin

[Roguestar]

Originally posted by: DasFox
Yes I believe PC-8500 is the only way to go at the moment for 1333FSB.

ALOHA

Um... why?

PC2-8500 is way overkill

DDR2-667 is what a 1333 FSB will run memory at. As in, if you put higher memory into a Core 2 with 1333FSB, it'll be run at DDR2-667 speeds anyway. Thus, getting DDR2-800 allows headroom for overclocking even with a 1333FSB.

You're using different sets of numbers in comparions; PC2, DDR2, actual memory speed, quad-pumped FSB and actual FSB speed, and you're getting confused.

Bottom line: PC2-8500 (DDR2-1066) is NOT NEEDED for a "1333FSB" Core 2 processor - PC2-6400 (DDR2-800) is more than enough.

 

[Captante]

Its true that PC8500 isn't needed for a 1333fsb C2D anymore the PC6400 is needed for one of the current 1066mhz models, however if you want to overclock without increasing memory latency, it will increase your odds of success quite a bit.

Further the only real argument against getting PC8500 is that it wouldn't be worth paying a major price-premium, however the price difference is very small at the moment.

 

[Amaroque]

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: ch33zw1z
crucial ftw...always

Crucial. :thumbsup:

Agreed. The Ballistix DDR1, and DDR2 have tight timings. IIRC I have the Ballistix running at 700 , with 3,3,3 timings. The comp is at my GF's so I cant check it at this second.

 

[DasFox]

I don't know why, but I've certainly forgotten some of my basics, or I'm confusing myself, LOL.

I thought DDR2-667 is 333MHZ? And we're talking about a Front Side Bus of One thousand three hundred and thirty three MHZ?

Is this the actual bus speed or it's also divided by 2 for actually 666MHZ?

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: DasFox
I don't know why, but I've certainly forgotten some of my basics, or I'm confusing myself, LOL.

I thought DDR2-667 is 333MHZ? And we're talking about a Front Side Bus of One thousand three hundred and thirty three MHZ?

Is this the actual bus speed or it's also divided by 2 for actually 666MHZ?

When talking about the CPU bus speed, divide by 4.

1333/4 =333

When talking about the memory speed, divide by two.
667/2 = 333

 

[DasFox]

Ok now that's making sense, I keep forgetting this for some reason, ahhhh, Das bangs head! LOL

Ok so the actual FSB speed is 333mhz with a multi of 4x, and what the DDR2-667 runs at 333mhz?

But then someone told me that some boards will default to 800mhz spd.

But the Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3R I want to buy is rated at:

Supports DDR2 1066*/800/667/533 memory

 

[DasFox]

Scratch my last reply here, and look at next reply below.

 

[DasFox]

Originally posted by: Roguestar

Originally posted by: DasFox
Yes I believe PC-8500 is the only way to go at the moment for 1333FSB.

ALOHA

Um... why?

PC2-8500 is way overkill

DDR2-667 is what a 1333 FSB will run memory at. As in, if you put higher memory into a Core 2 with 1333FSB, it'll be run at DDR2-667 speeds anyway. Thus, getting DDR2-800 allows headroom for overclocking even with a 1333FSB.

You're using different sets of numbers in comparions; PC2, DDR2, actual memory speed, quad-pumped FSB and actual FSB speed, and you're getting confused.

Bottom line: PC2-8500 (DDR2-1066) is NOT NEEDED for a "1333FSB" Core 2 processor - PC2-6400 (DDR2-800) is more than enough.

Why is PC2-8500 overkill when you can change the memory multi(divider) to 3.2, 333X3.2=1065.6 so you can get pc2-8500 speeds?

 

[tuteja1986]

Originally posted by: ch33zw1z
crucial ftw...always

 

[DasFox]

Originally posted by: tuteja1986

Originally posted by: ch33zw1z
crucial ftw...always

WOW a man of many words, LOL.

Well this is the cheapest I've seen the crucial-ballistix pc2-8500 listed.

http://www.priceguidenetwork.c...bl2kit12864aa1065.html

 

[Amaroque]

Nice price!

 

[DasFox]

Well I asked before and no one replied, why is PC2-8500 overkill when you can change the memory multi(divider) to 3.2, 333X3.2=1065.6 so you can get pc2-8500 speeds?

 

[Blain]

How much longer does this thread need to be, before you just buy the PC2-8500?

 

[DasFox]

Originally posted by: Blain

How much longer does this thread need to be, before you just buy the PC2-8500?

I'm trying to learn something, is there a problem with that?

I have not used any of the latest Intel boards, my last board was a S939, it did not have this type of ram multi on it, so I'm trying to determine if this is correct, and I can run this, and it's just fine at the rated specs of Mushkin, which isn't an overclock, but their default specs. SO, then why did Roguestar tell me it's overkill, either he knows something, or he doesn't...

Sheesh

 

[Blain]

Originally posted by: DasFox

Originally posted by: Blain

How much longer does this thread need to be, before you just buy the PC2-8500?

I'm trying to learn something, is there a problem with that?

Sheesh

When someone mentions that the PC2-8500 is way overkill on a non-OC'd rig, you proceed to explain why it would be good and that it's just a little more $$.

Spend the money on the Mushkin or Cricial PC2-8500.

ALOHA



"WOW I just noticed the Mushkin XP2-8500 2x1GB is only $136.66"

"I just read one article that said the Mushkin XP2-8500 will run just fine at 1.8v with timings of 5-5-5. Cool is all I've got to say, this is looking better... WoOt"

"YEAH $136 is CHEAP for this ram, hehe."

"Mushkin told me that even though I'm not overclocking these sticks will run faster then the HP Series of ram they sell."

"I'm looking at the XP2-8500 because I want a 1066MHz chip."

"I forgot to mention, Mushkin said because of the better chips on the XP and tighter timings, even though you don't overclock you'll get a faster chip/better performer, over the HP ram."

"I said originally I wanted to get XP2-6400. Later I mentioned XP2-8500, because for only about $12 more I could get this ram direct from Mushkin, and then figured why not get faster ram from 800mhz to 1066mhz for only $12 more, to me that is a great performance gain for so little money."

" I just want to get some 1066 sticks at a good deal, and so far that Mushkin XP2-8500 looks like it."

"So I'd think that the PC8500 for some future proofing on the 1333 Intel coming, and then a 45nm is going to be good even if I'm not going to overclock, but just set it so the timings/speed are running at 5-5-4-12 1066MHz."

"Yes I believe PC-8500 is the only way to go at the moment for 1333FSB."

"Well I asked before and no one replied, why is PC2-8500 overkill when you can change the memory multi(divider) to 3.2, 333X3.2=1065.6 so you can get pc2-8500 speeds?"

 

[DasFox]

Spending the money isn't the issue, I just wanted to know if the memory multi on the P35 worked like I was told which is: 3.2. 333X3.2=1065.6 so you can get pc2-8500 speeds without overclocking?

Like I said on a S939, that I used last, there aren't multi like this, but I was told that the new Intel boards have a different ram divider.

That's all I wanted to know, because I couldn't see how it would be overkill if I could simply adjust the ram multi to 3.2x and get the speed rated at the default Mushkin specs, regardless of overclocking.

I mean, hey 533mhz over DDR2800 is an additional 133mhz.

So is this correct what I was told about this memory multi 3.2 is on the Intel P35s?

THANKS

P.S. By the way what ram multi numbers on the Intel P35 boards are there to work with?

 

[Roguestar]

If you're not overclocking, then you're just changing the memory/FSB ratio. And because the Core 2 Duo doesn't benefit much from a ratio higher than 1:1 you're basically paying much more for something you'll not use. The main point of high-end memory is to allow further overhead for a 1:1 ratio'd FSB overclock, and DDR2-800 (PC2-6400) is easily enough to get even an E6420 to 3.2GHz before you overclock the memory.

 

[Traveler]

Why does some RAM advertised as High Performance or Gaming Memory, some are not? What's the difference?

CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail (High Performance or Gaming Memory)

mushkin 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail


Both of them have the same spec, exception one is 1.9v w/ heat spreader the other one is 1.8v w/o heat spreader.

 

[DasFox]

Originally posted by: Traveler
Why does some RAM advertised as High Performance or Gaming Memory, some are not? What's the difference?

CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail (High Performance or Gaming Memory)

mushkin 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail


Both of them have the same spec, exception one is 1.9v w/ heat spreader the other one is 1.8v w/o heat spreader.

Between basic Value Ram and Higher performance ram there's a difference, and sometimes even some of the basic ram out there can be pretty close to higher-end performance. This gaming stuff is mostly just fud...

Sometimes though you might find some companies that do some worthwhile things on this supposed gaming ram, other times, it's just ad hype.

Some just throw a fancy color heatspreader on and say, "Gaming Memory", LOL, that's called CRAP!

ALOHA

P.S. Just look at specs, and when in doubt contact the companies to see what they are telling you is this difference...

 

[ForumMaster]

crucial FTW. better warrenty and better quality.

 

[DasFox]

Originally posted by: ForumMaster
crucial FTW. better warrenty and better quality.

I wouldn't say this is necessarily true, how so?

As far as warranties go they both have lifetime...

Lifetime Warranty: Mushkin warrants memory module products for life.

http://www.mushkin.com/doc/support/warranty.asp

 

[Amaroque]

Most ppl have said Crucial FTW, and you keep arguing with them...


Dude, if your mind is made up on Mushkin, why even bother posting? Just buy whatever you want, and get it over with.

 

[DasFox]

Originally posted by: Amaroque
Most ppl have said Crucial FTW, and you keep arguing with them...


Dude, if your mind is made up on Mushkin, why even bother posting? Just buy whatever you want, and get it over with.

No one is arguing, I never once said anything of the such.

Anyhow my last reply was over the multi and getting an answer over that...

ForumMaster said Crucial has a better warranty. I don't think that is so difficult to show someone this better warranty if you say there is one, because I don't see any, they both appear to offer the same.

So what's so wrong with wanting to know the difference, and asking, this wasn't arguing, this was wanting to ---> KNOW something.

I was seeking some knowledge, and my saying, "I wouldn't say this is necessarily true, how so?" wasn't to argue, but to ask how does one make such a statement without anything to back it up?

THANKS

 

[hardbench]

Originally posted by: etech
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16820231114

G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400)
Timing 4-4-3-5

This would be an excellent choice for you. I tried this out and it hit 465MHz, so it has some headroom if you ever do decide to overclock and is only $99.

 

[DasFox]

Originally posted by: hardbench

Originally posted by: etech
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16820231114

G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400)
Timing 4-4-3-5

This would be an excellent choice for you. I tried this out and it hit 465MHz, so it has some headroom if you ever do decide to overclock and is only $99.

We moved out of the 6400 discussion a few pages ago, sorry you're a bit late to the table, but thanks anyways.

ALOHA