Crying kids in target

[mugs]

Originally posted by: GuideBot

Originally posted by: Nebor
I was under the impression that you can't ban kids because it's age discrimination... Am I wrong?

"We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone."

Discrimination justification only applies to things like employment, housing, etc.

In most places it applies to business that are considered "places of public accommodation." That is, if you invite the public into your business, then you can't kick them out because they're members of a protected class. You can kick a black guy out because you don't like his attitude, but you can't kick him out because he's black.

Age discrimination against young people is legal. Age discrimination against old people is not.

If you start a private club, you can discriminate against anyone you want.

 

[Fritzo]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Fritzo

Originally posted by: MrLee

Originally posted by: Fritzo
OK, this is one of the most disgusting "Look what a cool thing I did" threads I've ever read. KIDS DO THIS- IT'S THEIR JOB! Between 2-4 they yell, scream, hit, kick..anything to get what they want. There's no way around it. Your mister "more holy than thou" friend needs to be punched in the neck. :|

No way around it? Sounds like we've got the dad of that little brat right here guys.

OK, # of kids and thier ages.

3 kids 10, 8 and 7, the last 2 are only 13 months apart and they have NEVER displayed that kind of tantrum in public.

Wow...I need to call Guinness Book of World Records. I'll need your contact information for the press conference.

 

[OdiN]

Originally posted by: jackace
I babysit my niece (2) and nephew (4) OFTEN. I take them to the mall and other places. If they start acting up and won't stop yelling and raising hell, we leave the store and go home. Parents that do not do the same are just selfish IMO. They do not want to teach their kids to behave and are not willing to change their plans because their child is acting up in public AND will not stop.

I have no problem with kids that throw a fit, but the parent takes care of it asap. I have a HUGE problem with parents that do not, can not, or refuse to control and teach their own children. I have and will continue to let these parents know they do not have the right to "punish" the rest of us because they would have to go outside or punish their children.

Hell if I would let the kids dictate if we leave a store or not. Any kid of mine will behave in public or they will be too sore to think about misbehaving.

If that kid wanted to cry and scream, at least the parent coulda given him a good reason to be crying and screaming.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: DrCrap

Originally posted by: sadffffff
No one has the right to discipline a child that isn?t theirs, the most the guy should have done is to ask the parent to take care of it to and keep it down. Telling a little kid off is grounds to get your ass kicked. It boiled down to a supposedly grown man picking on a little kid.

Now if I were in the parents position, it wouldn?t have happened in the first place, obviously. But, say, if the kid got out of hand while I was preoccupied:

1) Guy tells my kid "you better shut the f--k up", right there I would have broke his nose. No excuse to threaten a child, especially when you?re "6'3 230lbs". Grow up, guy.

2) Guy tells me to shut my kid up disrespectfully, like he?s got a steak in it, he would get a "mind your own business". Then after he?s gone, my kid would get "you shouldn?t have been doing that <insert appropriate punishment>, and I should have caught it, but he?s not going to tell me how to raise you. It was none of his business."

3) Guy says "please keep it down", I apologize and deal with the kid.

I would have to look downward at your friend, but let?s not get into who could beat up who, that?s an internet pissing match at its best. Your fried would deserve a pop in the face for doing that to a little kid. And if he was dumb enough to escalate it into an all out brawl, he'd be in plenty of trouble too, for doing that to a child. It?s the parent?s duty to stick up for the kid when there?s that much age, height, weight, and strength difference. Especially when it?s none of his business, you?re in a crummy department store, not a fancy restaurant, or somewhere that your experience is going to be ruined. If a little kid sets him off that easily, he's got something wrong with him anyway, maybe he should stay away from children, the weirdo.

I'm totaly with you on this one.
The fact that the kids mother was an ignorant b!tch doesn't mean you have the right to go and threaten a kid, not to mention swearing at him.
You try that crap on me, no matter the reasons, you'll get a fiest in the face.

I think OP knows that his friend was being a big hero pulling that on a stupid mom. Why won't you try it on dad next time, and come back to tell us in which hospital you want us to visit you.

I agree totally...but you have to admit the doods response made som of us have to stop and think this through!!

One question--- Does the friend still have his job???

 

[jdoggg12]

Where are some of coming up with this "threat" bull crap like he was threatening to hurt someone - he simply lost his cool and stormed off....

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/threat
Main Entry: threat
Pronunciation: 'thret
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English thret coercion, threat, from Old English thrEat coercion; akin to Middle High German drOz annoyance, Latin trudere to push, thrust
1 : an expression of intention to inflict evil, injury, or damage
2 : one that threatens
3 : an indication of something impending <the sky held a threat of rain>

 

[waggy]

i would say getting in a childs face and yelling is threatning to him.

 

[jdoggg12]

Originally posted by: waggy
i would say getting in a childs face and yelling is threatning to him.

whats you your definition of a threat b/c it obviously doesn't match the one in the dictionary

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: jdoggg12

Originally posted by: waggy
i would say getting in a childs face and yelling is threatning to him.

whats you your definition of a threat b/c it obviously doesn't match the one in the dictionary

to a child it would fit 3 and maybe 1.

not to mention if someone got in my face yelling i would take that as a threat also (so would many otherS)

 

[montanafan]

***STRANGER DANGER***

 

[alyssa]

Originally posted by: Exterous

Originally posted by: piasabird
Maybe stores should start asking parents to take their kids and leave if they are disturbing the peace.

ha! Like that will happen in our "I'm always right and you can't tell me what to do" society

How many of you have heard of the Body World exhibit? Well, I went there a couple weeks ago with my boyfriend, his brother and his mom at OMSI, and our tickets were absolutely non-refundable. You had to be there at the exact time your ticket said, or you wouldn't get in, and they were not, under any circumstances, going to give you your money back if you missed your time.

So, we get into the exhibit and we're looking at these corpses and cross sections of torsos and organs laying at tables...And this toddler starts crying. And won't stop. Naturally, the rest of us start getting a little miffed, and are quite relieved when a security guard politely confronts the woman, offering her a hall pass of sorts to go and calm down her child. She, of course, refuses unless someone refunds her ticket. Ok, he wasn't trying to kick her out, first of all, and second, they weren't even refunding your ticket if you were late! So why should she be so special?

So, anyway, the security guy walks off and talks on his radio, and she eventually leaves or her kid shuts up, I'm not sure which is which...But I freaking applaud the OP's friend. I don't have kids, and I never want them.

 

[vhx]

Originally posted by: Bryophyte
What kind of monster would get in a toddler's face and scream obscenities at him/her? WTF? That guy needs to get professional help.

Huh? Since when is a 7 yo considered a toddler?

And yes, I also agree with the OP's friend. Although he probably could have left the curse word out; the yelling and the shut up should have done it's work.

I would probably just tell a kid that cry babies will get picked on the rest of their life and cry babies won't have any friends. That might give em a reason to not have outbursts like that.

P.S. Lol @ the people threatening violence to the person yelling. Yeah thats good parenting and setting a good example. Then again, I guess the scene where the cops march you off to jail in handcuffs in front of your kid will give him something to think about.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Sound pretty funny, OP. I have two kids, 4 and 2. On the RARE occasion that they get to the inconsolable point in public, they are taken outside.
I would certainly never just let them wail on to teach them a lesson in a freaking store.

Alyssa: You'll change your view later in life. Most everyone thinks this way when they are young. Have your own kids and you'll
sing a much different tune.

It's a little of both in society these days: Parents are not strict enough with their kids, and others without kids are too intolerant.
Kids will cry and fuss, that's a fact of life. There is a point that it becomes time to remove the kid from the public situation out of respect to others.
Some idiots think that point is the first whimper or cry a kid lets out. Get over it.
Some parents think they can let their kid scream bloody murder and everyone around them should be okay with it. Get over it.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: waggy
i would say getting in a childs face and yelling is threatning to him.

I'd say that's casting an imposing presence on the kid, but not threatening. He didn't say "shut the F up or else I'll.....".

Now I personally find this a bit funny, since I know an idiotic wife of a friend that would do just such a thing with her kids in a store. My wife won't go to the mall with her any more because of this type of negligence....she ends up watching our kids AND the other woman's.

I have a really good handle on what is and isn't acceptable behaviour in public and elsewhere. My kids stick to that, or they're taken outside. Doesn't hardly ever happen, but it has happened. Take 'em out for a few minutes, usually they're good to go after that.

I would say that if some guy came up to me and my kid and said such a thing, he'd better be ready to tote an ass-whipping out of that store along with whatever he was buying, but then I'd never allow my kid's behaviour to get to the point where such a comment was justified in the first place.

 

[rise]

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
If you are going to try to educate your child on tantrums in public, don't be surprised when the public educates them, and you.

And to all these people threatening to use their massive size and strength to hurt anyone who raises their voice at your child, perhaps you ought to step back and realize that there is always a bigger fish.

I am 5'7" 135lbs, and yes you could whip my ass for yelling at you and your child, but you know what, I know quiet a few large people that will do horrible things for just a little bit of money. And while you decide to hit me a few times, you will be sitting in jail while my friends are vandalizing your car and your home. And when you get out of jail, I have a feeling you are going to be in the hospital very very soon.

So take it in stride and realize that most people won't say anything unless something really needs to be done. And take responsibility and shut your damn kid up. The world does not revolve around you.

wow, a bigger asshole than the op and his friend. nice.

 

[irishScott]

Originally posted by: alyssa

Originally posted by: Exterous

Originally posted by: piasabird
Maybe stores should start asking parents to take their kids and leave if they are disturbing the peace.

ha! Like that will happen in our "I'm always right and you can't tell me what to do" society

How many of you have heard of the Body World exhibit? Well, I went there a couple weeks ago with my boyfriend, his brother and his mom at OMSI, and our tickets were absolutely non-refundable. You had to be there at the exact time your ticket said, or you wouldn't get in, and they were not, under any circumstances, going to give you your money back if you missed your time.

So, we get into the exhibit and we're looking at these corpses and cross sections of torsos and organs laying at tables...And this toddler starts crying. And won't stop. Naturally, the rest of us start getting a little miffed, and are quite relieved when a security guard politely confronts the woman, offering her a hall pass of sorts to go and calm down her child. She, of course, refuses unless someone refunds her ticket. Ok, he wasn't trying to kick her out, first of all, and second, they weren't even refunding your ticket if you were late! So why should she be so special?

So, anyway, the security guy walks off and talks on his radio, and she eventually leaves or her kid shuts up, I'm not sure which is which...But I freaking applaud the OP's friend. I don't have kids, and I never want them.

You serious? Interesting.

I'm 19 and I still want to have kids at some point. I don't love kids or anything, but I don't mind them and I definitely want it to happen, preferably not for another decade, but I can see it happening in my late 20s/early 30s.

And I know for a fact that my mentality will change (hell, I'm a different person now then I was last year), and my opinion on this will probably change with it.

 

[Nocturnal]

Do you guys feel the same way about other inconsiderate peoples? What about using a phone during a movie or letting a phone ring during a movie? Would you guys get all up in the guy's face for letting his phone ring? Or is hearing a crying kid or nagging kid worse than someone using their phone during a movie in which you've already paid for. The supermarket, you don't pay to get in; however, a movie, you do.

 

[irishScott]

and as for the OP:

OWNED! Lol I can imagine the looks on their faces. Mad props to your friend for having the balls to do that.

And for those who threatened violence against anyone who does that to their kid?

My opinion: Anyone who uses physical violence to solve a problem is sub-human. (The only justified use of said violence is in self-defense.) Thus man-code does not apply and I will gladly kick you in the groin repeatably in a resolute attempt to purify the genome of your under-evolved brain.

I encourage any other guy to do the same.

And I know this is just specific to me, but I know a good bit of Krav Maga, and am learning more every week. I'm not the biggest guy in the world, but that doesn't mean I can;t take you down .

 

[Nocturnal]

Originally posted by: irishScott
and as for the OP:

OWNED! Lol I can imagine the looks on their faces. Mad props to your friend for having the balls to do that.

And for those who threated violence against anyone who does that to their kid?

My opinion: Anyone who uses physical violence to solve a problem is sub-human. (The only justified use of said violence is in self-defense.) Thus man-code does not apply and I will gladly kick you in the groin repeatably in a resolute attempt to purify the genome of your under-evolved brain.

I encourage any other guy to do the same.

And I know this is just specific to me, but I know a good bit of Krav Maga, and am learning more every week. I'm not the biggest guy in the world, but that doesn't mean I can;t take you down .

Well in defense of the mother, then, I am a blue belt in Brazillian Jiu-Jitsu, have been training muay thai for 3 years, and have several amateur fights in small MMA shows. I can take you down too.

In any case, would you really want to get into it with someone over something as minute as this? Could you imagine the repurcussions that would happen to you and what you would be thinking while you are arrested and finger printed for something as small as a little shouting match between an adult and a mother + child? It would be ridiculous at the end of it all.

 

[irishScott]

Originally posted by: Nocturnal

Originally posted by: irishScott
and as for the OP:

OWNED! Lol I can imagine the looks on their faces. Mad props to your friend for having the balls to do that.

And for those who threated violence against anyone who does that to their kid?

My opinion: Anyone who uses physical violence to solve a problem is sub-human. (The only justified use of said violence is in self-defense.) Thus man-code does not apply and I will gladly kick you in the groin repeatably in a resolute attempt to purify the genome of your under-evolved brain.

I encourage any other guy to do the same.

And I know this is just specific to me, but I know a good bit of Krav Maga, and am learning more every week. I'm not the biggest guy in the world, but that doesn't mean I can;t take you down .

Well in defense of the mother, then, I am a blue belt in Brazillian Jiu-Jitsu, have been training muay thai for 3 years, and have several amateur fights in small MMA shows. I can take you down too.

With that kind of experience, you probably could (although a groin kick does go a long way ). I never claimed to be invincible, but I've met plenty of guys who think that just because they bench 300 lbs they can take on anyone who benches less.

Yes they have an advantage, but not one that guarantees anything.

Case in point: Last semester in college, when everyone was meeting new people, I mentioned my interest in Krav Maga. One of the larger guys (who I later found out works out daily) then got into the discussion, which eventually led to me giving a small demonstration to him.

I told him to get ready, moved in, and while I didn't hurt him, and it wasn't exactly a real sparing match, I showed him how I could've given him two badly bruised testicles and a broken arm before he could even form a decent defense.

 

[Nocturnal]

Originally posted by: irishScott

Originally posted by: Nocturnal

Originally posted by: irishScott
and as for the OP:

OWNED! Lol I can imagine the looks on their faces. Mad props to your friend for having the balls to do that.

And for those who threated violence against anyone who does that to their kid?

My opinion: Anyone who uses physical violence to solve a problem is sub-human. (The only justified use of said violence is in self-defense.) Thus man-code does not apply and I will gladly kick you in the groin repeatably in a resolute attempt to purify the genome of your under-evolved brain.

I encourage any other guy to do the same.

And I know this is just specific to me, but I know a good bit of Krav Maga, and am learning more every week. I'm not the biggest guy in the world, but that doesn't mean I can;t take you down .

Well in defense of the mother, then, I am a blue belt in Brazillian Jiu-Jitsu, have been training muay thai for 3 years, and have several amateur fights in small MMA shows. I can take you down too.

With that kind of experience, you probably could (although a groin kick does go a long way ). I never claimed to be invincible, but I've met plenty of guys who think that just because they bench 300 lbs they can take on anyone who benches less.

Yes they have an advantage, but not one that guarantees anything.

Case in point: Last semester in college, when everyone was meeting new people, I mentioned my interest in Krav Maga. One of the larger guys (who I later found out works out daily) then got into the discussion, which eventually led to me giving a small demonstration to him.

I told him to get ready, moved in, and while I didn't hurt him, and it wasn't exactly a real sparing match, I showed him how I could've given him two badly bruised testicles and a broken arm before he could even form a decent defense.

Still the bottom line is after the you've gone through and dismantled your foe or whoever and you're sitting in a cell block after being arrested for assault or battery or perhaps assault with a deadly weapon since your hands may be considered weapons if you train in martial arts, would you think back and say something like HELL YEAH, I can't wait to post on Anandtech how I beat this guy up today for trying to defend his annoying kid!!! I got arrested for it and now I have to go to court and all that jazz just so I could yell at a child and then beat up his father or whomever for trying to stick up for said kid!!!

I wouldn't. Perhaps you do and many others would but at the end of the day when you've gone through with it, I'm sure you'd be singing another tune.

 

[irishScott]

Originally posted by: Nocturnal

Originally posted by: irishScott
and as for the OP:

OWNED! Lol I can imagine the looks on their faces. Mad props to your friend for having the balls to do that.

And for those who threated violence against anyone who does that to their kid?

My opinion: Anyone who uses physical violence to solve a problem is sub-human. (The only justified use of said violence is in self-defense.) Thus man-code does not apply and I will gladly kick you in the groin repeatably in a resolute attempt to purify the genome of your under-evolved brain.

I encourage any other guy to do the same.

And I know this is just specific to me, but I know a good bit of Krav Maga, and am learning more every week. I'm not the biggest guy in the world, but that doesn't mean I can;t take you down .

Well in defense of the mother, then, I am a blue belt in Brazillian Jiu-Jitsu, have been training muay thai for 3 years, and have several amateur fights in small MMA shows. I can take you down too.

In any case, would you really want to get into it with someone over something as minute as this? Could you imagine the repurcussions that would happen to you and what you would be thinking while you are arrested and finger printed for something as small as a little shouting match between an adult and a mother + child? It would be ridiculous at the end of it all.

I probably wouldn't have reacted quite the way his friend did (I would've taken the "nice but Immovable" approach), but yes I would've gotten involved if the mother refused to do anything about for an extended period of time.

As for physical violence, I would never attack anyone over it, but if some idiot tries to physically harm me, I will defend myself until my opponent can no longer pose a threat. If that means breaking his arm or leg, kicking the groin, eye-gouging, etc, then so be it.

Edit: Don't get me wrong, I won't apply full force immediately. The goal is to disable, not injure (ie: If the woman busts out pepper-spray, I'd grab the can twist her arm). But if my opponent can't/won't be disabled the nice way, there are very few other options.

 

[montypythizzle]

He fucking owned that bitch and her pussy kid.
lulz.

 

[rh71]

POLL here - how many of you have been pwned by parents?

 

[Zysoclaplem]

Originally posted by: rise

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
If you are going to try to educate your child on tantrums in public, don't be surprised when the public educates them, and you.

And to all these people threatening to use their massive size and strength to hurt anyone who raises their voice at your child, perhaps you ought to step back and realize that there is always a bigger fish.

I am 5'7" 135lbs, and yes you could whip my ass for yelling at you and your child, but you know what, I know quiet a few large people that will do horrible things for just a little bit of money. And while you decide to hit me a few times, you will be sitting in jail while my friends are vandalizing your car and your home. And when you get out of jail, I have a feeling you are going to be in the hospital very very soon.

So take it in stride and realize that most people won't say anything unless something really needs to be done. And take responsibility and shut your damn kid up. The world does not revolve around you.

wow, a bigger asshole than the op and his friend. nice.

I am definitely an asshole. I will 100% agree with you on that matter.
But I am a very honest asshole.
I express my true opinions instead of hiding behind the general consensus.

 

[rise]

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem

Originally posted by: rise

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
If you are going to try to educate your child on tantrums in public, don't be surprised when the public educates them, and you.

And to all these people threatening to use their massive size and strength to hurt anyone who raises their voice at your child, perhaps you ought to step back and realize that there is always a bigger fish.

I am 5'7" 135lbs, and yes you could whip my ass for yelling at you and your child, but you know what, I know quiet a few large people that will do horrible things for just a little bit of money. And while you decide to hit me a few times, you will be sitting in jail while my friends are vandalizing your car and your home. And when you get out of jail, I have a feeling you are going to be in the hospital very very soon.

So take it in stride and realize that most people won't say anything unless something really needs to be done. And take responsibility and shut your damn kid up. The world does not revolve around you.

wow, a bigger asshole than the op and his friend. nice.

I am definitely an asshole. I will 100% agree with you on that matter.
But I am a very honest asshole.
I express my true opinions instead of hiding behind the general consensus.

but you'll hide behind your big friends who can do terrible things for just a bit of money. lol. joke=you.