CS:GO and hacking

[Rinaun]

I'm pretty sure they're slowly turning this game into TF2. I can't see any reason to take this game seriously when 9/10 matches are hackers from sales week. For 5$ you can have a friend buy an account, hack with 4 of your buddies and get to the top of the ranking system with zero risk. I've had hackers actually admit it and just not give a sh*t; it takes almost a week to get banned and at 5$ a copy I make that at work in less than 20 minutes. I'm just lost as to how this is acceptable or what to do about it. Because of all this, I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place.

I'm not sure if I should just hang this game up and move onto a game that isn't selling copies at 5$ a piece. It's just not a bright idea IMO to have a popular FPS be free to play/dirt cheap and expect to get any sort of competitive scene to happen. On the other side, I see people telling me to not let hacking get me down and carry on. My response? It's really hard to carry on when I'm pulling 2.0 kdr and getting deranked because of the matchmaking and other flaws.

I pull way above my team in most games in terms of scoring. However, at 5$ a key I can't understand why someone like me shouldn't just do the same and get the best ranking for their legitimate account? It's also not like these people are just "really good players", either. I've had two people outright admit they're hacking and they have 3 hour old accounts going 30-10 and dragging games out on purpose to 15-16 for extra rank for their queued friends.

TLDR: CSGO is really hacked right now, people aren't getting banned for weeks, and at 5$ a copy [it would seem that] you'd be silly to buy crate keys versus buying another account and hacking plus chances of more items. With my rant aside, is anyone else experiencing this same dilemma or is it just me? I'm not going to hack (DayZ admining made me vow to never hack anything ever) but I thought this game was actually respected in some form. I guess I don't see the respect if they know hackers come with sales and still have them.

 

[GoSharks]

It's fine in casual games. *shrug*

 

[Rinaun]

It's fine in casual games. *shrug*

Casual competitive or just casual mode? In casual competitive there's ton of hackers just play more than 5 games. The system pairs ranked players against unranked players constantly which causes this. People without a rank are either:

A. New accounts/players
B. Hackers buying a new account
C. Really bad players who have lost a ton of matches and thus can't get the 10 win/ranking

In all cases listed above the player should be matched against their ranking, not randomly. I've had silvers in my match before as a gold 3 star. I started off as 4 star and got bumped to 3 after losing a game yet going 2.0 kdr and 60 score (most people don't get 60 score and still lose matches). I'm just trying to understand why this game is so popular with the amount of hacking and the horrid matchmaking. I mean they kinda have leagues for non-hackers it's so bad so I know I'm not on crazy pills. I don't see this happening in any other competitive games.

P.S. read some forums. There are people who are globally ranked (highest rank available) and they hack. One person I've been reading on has 385 days on the account, does twitch and still hacks carefully with ESP and norecoil. It's a shame that people resort to hacks to be on the same level as others for nothing more than pride.

 

[meob]

I make that at work in less than 20 minutes.

dddaaayyyyyuuuummmm bro, you make more than 10 an hour?

 

[Rinaun]

dddaaayyyyyuuuummmm bro, you make more than 10 an hour?

a whole 30 an hour; QUICK CALL OUTBACK WE GOT RESERVATIONS ALL MONTH. I got tip.

 

[jdelrio22]

The info is client side which is why hacking is so prevalent. I honestly just play casual for fun and don't even touch competitive anymore because of it.

 

[Nebor]

If you type "Why do people still" into google the top two results are "believe in god" and "play counter-strike." I find both equally vexing.

I know someone that's played counter-strike for at least 20 hours a week since 1.6. I have CS:GO, and it just seems so dated. I can't aim down the sights? No kill streaks? Only a few weapons? My health doesn't regenerate when I take cover? Every time he tells me he's playing a "competitive match," and takes it super seriously, it seems so ridiculous, because it's just with random people, and the winner wins nothing.

It kills me to see two versions of CS in the Steam top 10 most played games. Ugh, what a waste.

 

[DigDog]

It's just not a bright idea IMO to have a popular FPS be free to play/dirt cheap and expect to get any sort of competitive scene to happen.

That's the end of it.

Stay away from cheap games. hackers aren't the only problem with free shooters - derps/noobs/gimps ruin games just as much if not more.

 

[Ns1]

Let's be real here - if you were truly trying to be competitive you'd be on private servers playing with your clan mates

 

[Red Storm]

Let's be real here - if you were truly trying to be competitive you'd be on private servers playing with your clan mates

This.

 

[gorcorps]

Hackers in CS? What a shocking revelation that is a current issue, and has not at all been the norm for over a decade!

That's been the problem in CS for a very long time. It's the price you pay for a cheap shooter that relies on human beings for moderation.

 

[Lil Frier]

I know someone that's played counter-strike for at least 20 hours a week since 1.6. I have CS:GO, and it just seems so dated. I can't aim down the sights? No kill streaks? Only a few weapons? My health doesn't regenerate when I take cover? Every time he tells me he's playing a "competitive match," and takes it super seriously, it seems so ridiculous, because it's just with random people, and the winner wins nothing.

Kill Streaks are an awful joke, and I wish they had never occurred. They heavily promote boosting (the times I had to run down my teammate and it his buddy on the other team trying to boost nukes in MW2...), and the Care Package garbage in CoD makes it worse, because it becomes as much about Care Package luck as actual skill, on many occasions.

CS:GO definitely isn't limited to just a few weapons, either. What you're describing is the first Left 4 Dead, where you got FOUR guns. Here's the weapon list for CS: GO--http://www.csgoreplays.com/csgo-weapons.

You've got 7 pistols, 6 "heavy" guns, 6 SMGs, 10 rifles (AR + Sniper), 6 grenades, and the gear. Do you REALLY need more than 35 weapons (29 guns) to choose from?

As for the health thing, I like it. You shouldn't magically get better after a .50 cal round goes through your stomach, in my opinion. Urban Terror (an old Quake III Team Arena mod that's now a standalone game) did health better than probably any other shooter I ever played. You had a health bar, and your amount of health affected your breath for things like jumping. When you got shot, you'd bleed, and you had to bandage yourself. It was AWESOME.

Coming from someone who has primarily played CoD and Halo on 360, doesn't particularly care for CS: GO (partially because I'm not very good), and started out on Quake and Unreal, I strongly disagree with your assessment. There's so much wrong with the skill-devoid shooters like CoD, namely that they cater more to little kids who want their auto aim on consoles and the ability to spray and pray.

The reason your friend takes CS: GO so seriously is that game's a pain in the butt to be good at. I personally think that they take it a bit to too far (like they make guns more inaccurate than is logical to call the game hard), but it's no worse than the hyper-accurate, no-recoil solutions you find on CoD.

 

[IEC]

Meh

 

[Dankk]

If you type "Why do people still" into google the top two results are "believe in god" and "play counter-strike." I find both equally vexing.

Maybe because Counter Strike is still a very good, well-designed, addictive shooter?

I know someone that's played counter-strike for at least 20 hours a week since 1.6. I have CS:GO, and it just seems so dated. I can't aim down the sights? No kill streaks? Only a few weapons? My health doesn't regenerate when I take cover? Every time he tells me he's playing a "competitive match," and takes it super seriously, it seems so ridiculous, because it's just with random people, and the winner wins nothing.

Does it occur to you that features such as ADS, kill-streaks, and regenerative health are not actually an evolutionary progression in game design; but rather, they are simply different design choices that appeal to different people? The original Counter Strike was released in a time when shooters didn't need tedious XP grinding and unlock systems for players to feel good about themselves. Instead, the satisfaction comes purely from successfully surviving a round and eliminating the enemy team through careful tact and reflexes. When a game has such a large playerbase that derives enjoyment from those elements alone, then it is the mark of a good game.

CS players are a different breed of people than CoD players. Adding things like killstreaks and regenerative health to CS would pretty much kill the game and drive away any hardcore players it had left. Those are hand-holding mechanics that do nothing but detract from your actual skill level and give you a superficial sense of achievement. It's a simple game, but it's difficult to master.

Contrastly, CoD is designed to make everyone feel rewarded, regardless of how good they actually are. Kind of like the whole "Everyone gets a trophy!" thing in kid's sports organizations. It eliminates the mastery curve and, along with it, any feelings of real accomplishment.

CS is a very purist experience, and it will probably stay that way as long as people demand it.

It kills me to see two versions of CS in the Steam top 10 most played games. Ugh, what a waste.

I kind of hope this isn't a troll comment. Otherwise I just wasted entirely too much time writing this post.

 

[gorb]

1.6 for life

Kill Streaks are an awful joke, and I wish they had never occurred. They heavily promote boosting (the times I had to run down my teammate and it his buddy on the other team trying to boost nukes in MW2...), and the Care Package garbage in CoD makes it worse, because it becomes as much about Care Package luck as actual skill, on many occasions.

CS:GO definitely isn't limited to just a few weapons, either. What you're describing is the first Left 4 Dead, where you got FOUR guns. Here's the weapon list for CS: GO--http://www.csgoreplays.com/csgo-weapons.

You've got 7 pistols, 6 "heavy" guns, 6 SMGs, 10 rifles (AR + Sniper), 6 grenades, and the gear. Do you REALLY need more than 35 weapons (29 guns) to choose from?

As for the health thing, I like it. You shouldn't magically get better after a .50 cal round goes through your stomach, in my opinion. Urban Terror (an old Quake III Team Arena mod that's now a standalone game) did health better than probably any other shooter I ever played. You had a health bar, and your amount of health affected your breath for things like jumping. When you got shot, you'd bleed, and you had to bandage yourself. It was AWESOME.

Coming from someone who has primarily played CoD and Halo on 360, doesn't particularly care for CS: GO (partially because I'm not very good), and started out on Quake and Unreal, I strongly disagree with your assessment. There's so much wrong with the skill-devoid shooters like CoD, namely that they cater more to little kids who want their auto aim on consoles and the ability to spray and pray.

The reason your friend takes CS: GO so seriously is that game's a pain in the butt to be good at. I personally think that they take it a bit to too far (like they make guns more inaccurate than is logical to call the game hard), but it's no worse than the hyper-accurate, no-recoil solutions you find on CoD.

Urban Terror was the shit. I had no idea it became a standalone game. I'll have to find it

 

[Nebor]

FWIW it's worth, I've owned every version of CS since version 1.0, though I stopped playing it with any frequency many years ago. I own GO and I've tried it, and it just feels like a rehashed 10 year old game.

To me, games advanced significantly with aiming down sights (that's why every other game now has it,) and several other changes that CS just doesn't have. I feel like Counter-Strike is some sort of comfort blanket for gamers that are afraid to venture out into the bold new world.

 

[GoSharks]

FWIW it's worth, I've owned every version of CS since version 1.0, though I stopped playing it with any frequency many years ago. I own GO and I've tried it, and it just feels like a rehashed 10 year old game.

To me, games advanced significantly with aiming down sights (that's why every other game now has it,) and several other changes that CS just doesn't have. I feel like Counter-Strike is some sort of comfort blanket for gamers that are afraid to venture out into the bold new world.

Pretty much every other popular FPS (CoD, BF, etc) out there is full of unlockables and power-up type things. CS is a really good game to pop in and out of without the feeling of falling behind by not playing. What matters is the pure skill level and not how much time you have invested into a single game. Plus, you don't have to learn new maps .

 

[DigDog]

just www.quakelive.com

 

[gorcorps]

FWIW it's worth, I've owned every version of CS since version 1.0, though I stopped playing it with any frequency many years ago. I own GO and I've tried it, and it just feels like a rehashed 10 year old game.

To me, games advanced significantly with aiming down sights (that's why every other game now has it,) and several other changes that CS just doesn't have. I feel like Counter-Strike is some sort of comfort blanket for gamers that are afraid to venture out into the bold new world.

FWIW it's worth?

OMG my god, that made me LOL out loud

:awe:

 

[WhoBeDaPlaya]

TF2 has been fine for me, as long as you play on a good server (eg. Taunt Gamers )
Also, here's the obligatory : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1ZtBCpo0eU

 

[Spidre]

CS (both 1.6 and GO) are the most fun competitive shooters around (in my opinion). After playing them, I just can't take any others seriously.

Hacking is the only negative thing about the game. Without hackers it would be perfect, but right now, it's just good. The overwatch system could be improved to deal with hackers better, and probably will receive an overhaul soon.

 

[Newbian]

You need to find decent servers just like any other fps out there to prevent this and have fun or play with friends.

Having active mods in them is what you need and it's easy enough to find after a bit.

I still play 1.6 and source a lot but then again it's mostly about certain mods, zombie / prop hunt / TTT, that keep me coming back more then just the normal game.

 

[Rinaun]

Yeah, pretty much done with the game for the time being; I don't feel like using a third party tool just to play the game with 2-4 friends, which still has hackers but at a lesser amount. Valve is selling the game for a quick buck and in doing this ruined gameplay for other people by letting hackers in. My friends and I encountered hackers that openly admitted doing so in 2-3 of the last 5 matches I played. I think even their team was annoyed as 2 people ended up leaving because of the blatant hacker. Mind you I'm golden AK+, so I'm not in bottom ELO. The usual routine for hackers is to lose a lot and then all the sudden turn them on and go from 1-8 to 16-10. You can tell they are hacking because they use a 3 day old, level one steam account with nothing but CS:GO on it and 3 other friends in the match on their legit 50+ game accounts. Valve dug their own bed and I wouldn't be amazed if this game ends up flopping hard as a result of the lowered pricing scheme. You can argue prize pools and other shit but if you can't trust the matchmaking system enough to play then I don't think this game is going to work out much longer. Even streamers have stopped streaming; go check twitch.


You can ignore this entire hacking fiasco and go play through altpug/esea, but the fact is this shouldn't be happening and it's happening a ton in this game. Even pro players don't want to use altpug or ESEA because YOU CAN STILL HACK IN THEM. I've only seen hacking worse in DayZ and that's really sad comparing the two.


P.S. for all those saying the game is just becoming mainstream and me saying cs:GO will die is crazy talk, just a tidbit of info. The reason player count is up on players playing this month is because during dream-hack valve made people log in for rare/special items and stuff, as well as every hacker and their mother buying spare accounts to hack during steam sales. The actual population since mid December is slowly decreasing. 1.5 million unique players a month is totally reasonable considering that an account costs 3$ and you can make 10$ buying one account and playing for a week or two(while hacking), earning crates, and playing while hacking. Bottom line: it's profitable to hack this game because of the steam marketplace and thus "unique" accounts will be made until this stops. All this is reasoning why I've hung my AK up for a bit

 

[DigDog]

i guess nobody here played MP F.E.A.R. (le'lol)

 

[werepossum]

Meh

This.

Although gamers complaining that a game is too cheap does have a certain novelty value.