Cyberpunk 2077

[zinfamous]

They are small enough where they should be agile but I've been on several teams where the interpretation of "agile" is completely different.

I think a ton of people had super high expectations for this title but at this point I'm afraid it won't live up to the hype. Although I hope I am wrong.

It is an impossible level of hype to live up to, which means I think it will be just fine for everyone that is looking forward to it. (I'm actually happy to hear that it isn't as huge and perhaps super jam-packed with "Stuff"...like every other RPG of its type that ends up being a perpetual serious of copypaste fetch quests and collectibles in slightly different skins. like...a world that is pretty big, but actually kind of "empty" in a more realistic way? could be neat...)

I can sit here and complain that one jerk population of platform fans are holding things up because ~2 weeks late patch is too much for them....but really CDPR is the only company that seems capable of actually wanting to deliver a decent launch experience to everyone, and they're committed to it. So, it's really absurd for anyone to complain about that, when we know that we spend the rest of our time complaining about, literally every other publishers, releasing 3/4 baked buggy, incomplete rubbish most of the time.

 

[sze5003]

It is an impossible level of hype to live up to, which means I think it will be just fine for everyone that is looking forward to it. (I'm actually happy to hear that it isn't as huge and perhaps super jam-packed with "Stuff"...like every other RPG of its type that ends up being a perpetual serious of copypaste fetch quests and collectibles in slightly different skins. like...a world that is pretty big, but actually kind of "empty" in a more realistic way? could be neat...)

I can sit here and complain that one jerk population of platform fans are holding things up because ~2 weeks late patch is too much for them....but really CDPR is the only company that seems capable of actually wanting to deliver a decent launch experience to everyone, and they're committed to it. So, it's really absurd for anyone to complain about that, when we know that we spend the rest of our time complaining about, literally every other publishers, releasing 3/4 baked buggy, incomplete rubbish most of the time.

Yes CDPR are known for quality and that's what I like about them. While the witcher 3 is huge, one of the reasons I never finished it; because I don't have that much time, and a game like that I need/want to spend time to enjoy. Like you said earlier what else hasn't gone wrong in 2020?

Wasn't able to order a ps5. Wasn't able to order one of the new GPU's either. Other titles I was waiting for were delayed too and eventually came out. I don't have any expectations at all so I'm going to enjoy when it's finally out. It will be fun to watch how it's rated when it's released after several delays.

Although I will probably still have my 1080ti to run it with where I would much rather prefer to crank all settings to max and see some rays but what can you do, make due with what you got.

 

[cytg111]

They say its bigger than Witcher3 in terms of open world depth and length right?
I remember playing W3 the first time thinking hell no to all these stupid side quests and ramming through it, which you cant but still, and at the end of it was so taken in by it that I almost started over immediately and began exploring the side quests... and a new new dimension of the game opened up. Mass Effect, Dragon Age is hard hard hard to beat but W3 did it.
So yea. High expectations. Also. Keanu Reeves? Hell yea.

 

[Artorias]

They say its bigger than Witcher3 in terms of open world depth and length right?
I remember playing W3 the first time thinking hell no to all these stupid side quests and ramming through it, which you cant but still, and at the end of it was so taken in by it that I almost started over immediately and began exploring the side quests... and a new new dimension of the game opened up. Mass Effect, Dragon Age is hard hard hard to beat but W3 did it.
So yea. High expectations. Also. Keanu Reeves? Hell yea.

Apparently its shorter than W3 and the map is smaller but a lot more denser.

I'm really hoping they innovate on city design when it comes to verticality, so many game have wide cities, but hardly any enterable buildings.

 

[Igo69]

I bet the game will be delayed again and eventually be released in 2021 lol

CDPR wrote that cyberpunk is bigger than Witcher 3 unless they changed that later.

 

[EXCellR8]

Meh, 21 days... I'm surprised it didn't get bumped to Feb or March '21 like others have said.

This gives me more time to finish W3!!

/delusion

 

[sze5003]

I bet the game will be delayed again and eventually be released in 2021 lol

CDPR wrote that cyberpunk is bigger than Witcher 3 unless they changed that later.

Nope they have said the game is smaller than witcher 3 but still has lots of stuff to do. They took a look at stats and saw that several people never finished witcher 3.

 

[Igo69]

What 9 versions? Xbox, PS4 and PC i counted 3 and they should've made it only PC exclusive just like console garbage making exclusives for themselves.

 

[ArenCordial]

I think a ton of people had super high expectations for this title but at this point I'm afraid it won't live up to the hype. Although I hope I am wrong.

There's no way it can live up to the hype that has been generated around. Heck most people still think the game has been in active development since it was announced not since TW3: Blood and Wine shipped. Some people think its going to be the end all and be all of games.

People need to be reminded its just a video game and lower their expectations. Its going to have some combat jank because its CDPR. Its going to have bugs. Its going to have gameplay loops.

Hopefully, though at the end of the day its going to be good game because CDPR is great at telling a story and having interesting quests that feel worth doing no matter the rewards. That's all I'm hoping for.

 

[zinfamous]

What 9 versions? Xbox, PS4 and PC i counted 3 and they should've made it only PC exclusive just like console garbage making exclusives for themselves.

"They should make their 10 year-long, expensive development project for the smallest market only because I want them to!"

uh, no.

anyway, you left out PS5 and XBOXSXSSXS and as mentioned earlier, Stadia, I guess.

 

[DrMrLordX]

like we didn't already know that 2020 is just one unending series of dickpunches.

You rang?

 

[rstrohkirch]

As long as it's as good as Witcher 3 then I'll feel they did their job. Honestly, I'd be surprised if it was a step above W3. I feel like that game set a pretty high bar as a whole that may be hard for them to do again. I didn't really care for W1 or W2 so their hit/miss record isn't great for me.

 

[RearAdmiral]

I'm working my way through W3, I feel like I don't "get" this game yet. Perhaps it was overhyped or I am spoiled by GoW or something, but I am slogging along doing quest after quest wondering when everything will snap into place.

Looking forward to playing cyberpunk in 5 years whenever I finish W3 though lol.

 

[rstrohkirch]

It's just an open world rpg that's well put together with a lot of content. Maybe the story and characters aren't hitting for you.

 

[RearAdmiral]

It's just an open world rpg that's well put together with a lot of content. Maybe the story and characters aren't hitting for you.

It certainly does have a whole mess of content! I'm sure I'm missing a whole lot of context w/ the earlier games and the books.

 

[jpiniero]

Going gold doesnt mean anything now. It used to mean something when physical sales were #1. No longer the case now as we will see digital take over later.

Still have to press the discs on console and ship it to retailers. Wouldn't be surprised if it unexpectedly failed console certification (on XBone?) due to frame rate. And it's the kind of thing where what's on the disk needs to be a passed version, so you can't just release a Day 1 Patch which would in theory pass.

 

[Zenoth]

I wonder if they'll make new trailers with the new date at the end now

But if they do that they'll have to make new trailers for whenever they'll announce that it will finally come out in 2021 instead.

I'll be clear here, I do not expect this game to be released this year anymore. And, no, I cannot afford to believe it will come out at any date they're announcing, damage is done. We were 3 weeks away. What's next? Announcing a new delay 1 day before release? I can believe it, at this point. They're saying they need to basically keep on optimizing nine versions of that thing? And even with the delay we're just what, about 5 weeks from release? How can you possibly expect to meet even that new release date if you need to optimize every single version of the game while only having 5 weeks to work with?

Man, I hope one day they release their "Making Of" documentary and stay transparent with it and don't edit out any of their milestones and mishaps. I would be very curious to see if they genuinely just "miscalculated" (as they say) things for more than a year when it came to the game's release. From the moment they announced the first release date (which they were "very confident" about at the time) during E3 2019, to the moment they realized internally that they couldn't do it (around February of 2020), to the moment they realized AGAIN that they couldn't do it even for a September release (which they realized around June or July I believe it was), to the moment they realized that they "miscalculated" AFTER they spent all that advertising campaign money on all those trailers and their Night City wire presentations hammering even on Twitter as well that it would definitely come out on November 19th.

I would absolutely be 200% curious to watch that unfold in a Making Of if they make one.

But yeah, anyway, see you in 2021 for this game.

 

[zinfamous]

It certainly does have a whole mess of content! I'm sure I'm missing a whole lot of context w/ the earlier games and the books.

Have you gone through the Bloody Baron chapter yet? It's the first primary quest line that you likely have access to. I'd say that if you don't "get it" by that time, then you might never get it.

I'm not sure you need a whole lot of the earlier content...Witcher 2 definitely helps but as you say, there is so much world stuff and characters that it's hard to keep it straight. I never read the books, never finished W1 (and not to the point that I actually met any of Geralt's primary recurring pals), and it took two attempts to get into W2, after quite some time between the two. It's actually a very different sort of game (very linear--think CoD, Witcher), but once you pass the first main area and a lot of the early game difficulties in fights and what not, it's a solid game. And it still looks great today--maybe even better than W3 at times, texture wise anyway (fixed backgrounds probably helps with that optimization).

W3 definitely has a long slog at times and you can easily get bogged down with the standard, somewhat inconsequential side quests and not all of the monster hunts are special...some are great though.

My advice would be to to ignore as many of the "gather points" that you see on the map, because that is just distracting and not really worth it. Aside from the shrines that give you skill points and the occasional prisoner, which will be an NPC that can sorta be helpful (if you ever find them again once they wander off), those things give you normal loot for the most part that you can skip.

 

[RearAdmiral]

Have you gone through the Bloody Baron chapter yet? It's the first primary quest line that you likely have access to. I'd say that if you don't "get it" by that time, then you might never get it.

I'm not sure you need a whole lot of the earlier content...Witcher 2 definitely helps but as you say, there is so much world stuff and characters that it's hard to keep it straight. I never read the books, never finished W1 (and not to the point that I actually met any of Geralt's primary recurring pals), and it took two attempts to get into W2, after quite some time between the two. It's actually a very different sort of game (very linear--think CoD, Witcher), but once you pass the first main area and a lot of the early game difficulties in fights and what not, it's a solid game. And it still looks great today--maybe even better than W3 at times, texture wise anyway (fixed backgrounds probably helps with that optimization).

W3 definitely has a long slog at times and you can easily get bogged down with the standard, somewhat inconsequential side quests and not all of the monster hunts are special...some are great though.

My advice would be to to ignore as many of the "gather points" that you see on the map, because that is just distracting and not really worth it. Aside from the shrines that give you skill points and the occasional prisoner, which will be an NPC that can sorta be helpful (if you ever find them again once they wander off), those things give you normal loot for the most part that you can skip.

I appreciate the input. I'm beyond the bloody baron chapter by quite a bit, more or less finished w/ novigrad except for high lvl 20 and up quests. I think I am level 22 or so, and I am starting to get rolling in Skellige. I suppose the story is meant to be smaller scope / scale then I was expecting perhaps?

The combat is pretty weak for me, but the last combat based games I played were Bloodbourne and GoW soooo that's pretty unfair.

 

[zinfamous]

I appreciate the input. I'm beyond the bloody baron chapter by quite a bit, more or less finished w/ novigrad except for high lvl 20 and up quests. I think I am level 22 or so, and I am starting to get rolling in Skellige. I suppose the story is meant to be smaller scope / scale then I was expecting perhaps?

The combat is pretty weak for me, but the last combat based games I played were Bloodbourne and GoW soooo that's pretty unfair.

well, if it's any consolation, the combat is waaaaay better than it was in W2 and especially W1. I don't disagree, though. To me, it feels great at first, but then it just gets very repetitive and just super easy. On my second playthrough, I just started on DeathMarch and don't think I ever died.

First playthrough felt difficult at first, but when you get used to the combat and your most useful concoctions and potions, the game just gets very easy, very fast (granted, first playthough, you don't have that stuff unlocked, and on NG+, you also start with your max level Witcher gear sets and all their bonuses, so that helps a ton).

I didn't find the build styles to be all that diverse, really. Some sword stuff mostly, focus on two signs, really (Quen and the Firey one...Aard is the most useful but I found doesn't need a lot of points into it)

 

[ondma]

Have you gone through the Bloody Baron chapter yet? It's the first primary quest line that you likely have access to. I'd say that if you don't "get it" by that time, then you might never get it.

I'm not sure you need a whole lot of the earlier content...Witcher 2 definitely helps but as you say, there is so much world stuff and characters that it's hard to keep it straight. I never read the books, never finished W1 (and not to the point that I actually met any of Geralt's primary recurring pals), and it took two attempts to get into W2, after quite some time between the two. It's actually a very different sort of game (very linear--think CoD, Witcher), but once you pass the first main area and a lot of the early game difficulties in fights and what not, it's a solid game. And it still looks great today--maybe even better than W3 at times, texture wise anyway (fixed backgrounds probably helps with that optimization).

W3 definitely has a long slog at times and you can easily get bogged down with the standard, somewhat inconsequential side quests and not all of the monster hunts are special...some are great though.

My advice would be to to ignore as many of the "gather points" that you see on the map, because that is just distracting and not really worth it. Aside from the shrines that give you skill points and the occasional prisoner, which will be an NPC that can sorta be helpful (if you ever find them again once they wander off), those things give you normal loot for the most part that you can skip.

I played W3 before either of the other 2 games. The only thing really missing is some of the political maneuvering, which was not really interesting to me, but perhaps would have led to a different ending if I had understood it better. Then I replayed W3 after the second game, and still was confused by all the politics. I started the first game a couple of times and never got very far. The combat and mechanics are just atrocious.

 

[jpiniero]

First playthrough felt difficult at first, but when you get used to the combat and your most useful concoctions and potions, the game just gets very easy, very fast (granted, first playthough, you don't have that stuff unlocked, and on NG+, you also start with your max level Witcher gear sets and all their bonuses, so that helps a ton).

I didn't find the build styles to be all that diverse, really. Some sword stuff mostly, focus on two signs, really (Quen and the Firey one...Aard is the most useful but I found doesn't need a lot of points into it)

I am playing it right now (on PS4 Pro), and Blood & Wine is somewhat difficult even with enemy scaling off. But yeah the base game is definitely easy if you are a couple levels ahead of the recommended level.

 

[WhiteNoise]

W1 I could not push through. W2 was awesome and beat that one. W3 is awesome as well but got pulled away with other games and never finished it (though i have 129 hours on record). i still want to go back to that one. Might even start over.

I really hope Cyberpunk is good.

 

[Artorias]

I wonder if they'll make new trailers with the new date at the end now

But if they do that they'll have to make new trailers for whenever they'll announce that it will finally come out in 2021 instead.

I'll be clear here, I do not expect this game to be released this year anymore. And, no, I cannot afford to believe it will come out at any date they're announcing, damage is done. We were 3 weeks away. What's next? Announcing a new delay 1 day before release? I can believe it, at this point. They're saying they need to basically keep on optimizing nine versions of that thing? And even with the delay we're just what, about 5 weeks from release? How can you possibly expect to meet even that new release date if you need to optimize every single version of the game while only having 5 weeks to work with?

Man, I hope one day they release their "Making Of" documentary and stay transparent with it and don't edit out any of their milestones and mishaps. I would be very curious to see if they genuinely just "miscalculated" (as they say) things for more than a year when it came to the game's release. From the moment they announced the first release date (which they were "very confident" about at the time) during E3 2019, to the moment they realized internally that they couldn't do it (around February of 2020), to the moment they realized AGAIN that they couldn't do it even for a September release (which they realized around June or July I believe it was), to the moment they realized that they "miscalculated" AFTER they spent all that advertising campaign money on all those trailers and their Night City wire presentations hammering even on Twitter as well that it would definitely come out on November 19th.

I would absolutely be 200% curious to watch that unfold in a Making Of if they make one.

But yeah, anyway, see you in 2021 for this game.

Covid did not help that's for sure.

At this point I dont think they can monetarily afford another delay, missing the holiday release target could cost them something like 50% in sales for the first few days.

It gets released in whatever shape the game is in, unfortunately for the developers they might not get a lot of holiday time this year due to critical post launch support.

 

[ondma]

I am playing it right now (on PS4 Pro), and Blood & Wine is somewhat difficult even with enemy scaling off. But yeah the base game is definitely easy if you are a couple levels ahead of the recommended level.

Really did not care for the Blood and Wine expansion. I liked the Knights of Toussaint much better.