Cyberpunk 2077

[Zenoth]

It depends on the reviewer's personal tastes in gaming. If I was given modern Call of Duty games to review, very few people would like me. The GameSpot reviewer for Cyberpunk probably just shouldn't have reviewed it if it's just not her style of game to start with. And this isn't in disrespect for her as a person, or even as a reviewer. It just wasn't the right decision to give her Cyberpunk to review, and I feel like it wasn't her choice either (not sure about that part but I feel she reviewed something she probably wasn't looking for that much to begin with). Not sure how it works there at GameSpot but if I was in charge of who reviews what, I'd at least make sure that first-person games with RPG elements is something the reviewer has enjoyed in the past, to review something like Cyberpunk.

With this said, people should take "professional" reviews with a grain of salt.

1) It probably wasn't her style of games in general (and she did it because it was her job)
2) The game is overly ambitious (probably too much), so when it comes to glitches or game / mission / dialogue-breaking bugs and crashes... it was bound to happen. I don't think I need to remind that we've had Bethesda games to contend with before, not to mention UbiSoft and their open-world AS games in recent years; Valhalla probably being the biggest offender as we speak.
3) From what I gathered as I type this, the PC version of the game was reviewed while NVIDIA (and AMD as well I believe) haven't released a new Cyberpunk-optimized Driver yet.
4) CDPR did announce that there would be a massive 40+ GB patch soon.

Basically, the game - in general - shouldn't have been sent to reviewers that early. The reviews should have been announced as being "Ongoing" sometime this week starting at Day One of release, following NVIDIA's / AMD's driver release, and possibly some reviewers should have waited the massive patch before finishing their review.

If anything, I hope they will come back to their review one day. Some sites do that on occasion when one or two years down the line the game was updated so much that they decided to re-review it.

With all this said, the only concerns I personally have with the game so far is in regards to the "hard" bugs, the ones I would consider immersion-breaking. If it actually crashes often, or if there's game-freezing bugs (visuals stop, audio continues, things like that) or if missions don't trigger at all, or if dialogue skips entire sentences, or if A.I. walks face-first on a wall while talking, or if some Escort-type mission breaks.... things of that nature... then yeah I would start wondering just what in the Great Heck have they been doing for the better part of the past 5 years (counting from the moment the whole team was on the game after Witcher 3 development was over). I CAN deal with "soft" bugs, some visual and/or audio glitches, I can deal with text-based or GUI-based annoyances, that's tolerable.

But if it's filled with Bethesda-level incompetence incarnate then I'll definitely not bother to play it at all for the coming months until the game is finally truly released in the form of the 3rd or 4th massive patch sometime in Q2 2021 (which I think is probably the time period they would have preferred to release the game to; I'm 99% convinced if you were to ask the guys in charge internally if they would have needed yet another half year of work on that thing they'd just say "yep").

 

[sze5003]

How ridiculous is this that you can't get a new GPU right now.

According to that chart I should be able to do ultra settings on my 1080ti. Without ray tracing obviously. By the time you can get a card you most likely would replay it.

Oh wow Gamespot gave 7 score already that doesnt sound good

Cyberpunk 2077 Review

Cyberpunk 2077 has standout side quests and strong main characters, though its buggy, superficial world and lack of purpose bring it down.

www.gamespot.com

I don't trust gamespot reviews much at all. There are times when I read a review from them and I'm like "it sounds like this person just didn't find the game interesting to review from the beginning."

Not saying someone has to like the game to be eligible to review, but they should be completely unbiased and objective to what they are reviewing.

 

[EXCellR8]

Holy crap it's actually downloading... was starting to think awhile back there it wouldn't happen this year.

Kinda wish I had something beefier than a GTX 1080 to run it but I digress...

 

[SteveGrabowski]

I know, just posting news. I don't trust Gamespot much, those idiots sometimes give low scores for some of the greatest game ever.

Yeah those guys gave a 5/10 to one of my favorite RPG from the early 2010s (Nier Gestalt).

 

[Grooveriding]

Some 4K maxed PC screens.

https://dtf.ru/hard/279342-cyberpunk-2077-4k-skrinshoty-s-maksimalnymi-nastroykami-i-zametki-na-polyah-o-samoy-igre

Nice looking. Sounds like it's going to be a buggy mess at launch, like CDPR games always are, but a great game.

 

[Zenoth]

Holy crap it's actually downloading... was starting to think awhile back there it wouldn't happen this year.

Kinda wish I had something beefier than a GTX 1080 to run it but I digress...

On the same boat, GTX 1080 here too (non-Ti). I actually purchased my native 1440p monitor earlier this year in preparation. I wanted a new GPU like most of us here at least by the end of this year. I did look around for the 3080 starting in mid October (manually, "normally" I mean, just going on some web sites and just checked for one) and absolutely none can be found. The only way to buy one right now is by feeding a scalper somewhere. This brings me back to 2017 with the Nintendo Switch; where I live it couldn't be found anywhere for about a full year (outside of pre-ordering, you couldn't just walk in a store and buy one for a full year).

I might have to bring the resolution down to 1080p, and set some settings to Medium. For the moment I don't mind that much. I did mind that some months back, but I understood by October that I had to put a giant X on getting a card this year. I'll be content with just running and playing the game at this point. I suspect that scalpers will leave the 3080/70/60 and the 6800 / XT alone whenever the next upgrade variation of those cards will be out (3060 / 70 / 80 Super, or whatever AMD comes up with to upgrade their 6800 line).

So GTX 1080 it is.

 

[zinfamous]

Preload on GoG galaxy can be started today. Will probably start mine after I log off for work. It's about 55Gb and then on day one another 44gb patch lol.

Would a GoG purchase still generate a key that can be used on Steam, or are they now locked to this Galaxy thing?

 

[EXCellR8]

I might have to bring the resolution down to 1080p, and set some settings to Medium. For the moment I don't mind that much.

Nah, keep your resolution maxed and just turn off most if not all of the flashy bits like blurring, chroma, AA (temporal might be ok), ambient occlusion and screen space reflections. Lighting and shadow quality will likely need to take a hit too but the GTX 1080 should be able to keep the texture res pretty crispy and the frames up. I know that kind of sounds like "well, why bother then?" but I think the game's going to be quite worth it for us plebs using "old" GPU's too.

Looking at the official sys reqs, I put the GTX 1080 around the "High" (non-RT) settings but without the Ultra preset enabled; it will be interesting to see how it runs.

 

[sze5003]

Nah, keep your resolution maxed and just turn off most if not all of the flashy bits like blurring, chroma, AA (temporal might be ok), ambient occlusion and screen space reflections. Lighting and shadow quality will likely need to take a hit too but the GTX 1080 should be able to keep the texture res pretty crispy and the frames up. I know that kind of sounds like "well, why bother then?" but I think the game's going to be quite worth it for us plebs using "old" GPU's too.

Looking at the official sys reqs, I put the GTX 1080 around the "High" (non-RT) settings but without the Ultra preset enabled; it will be interesting to see how it runs.

High preset should do. You may need to turn down screen space reflection to medium, maybe shadows to medium, etc. These are two that I often try tuning down first when I find that my card isn't performing well.

Also it seems some of the reviews are before the day one patch. Not that it would fix everything but it sounds like performance isn't the best out the gate to begin with.

 

[repoman0]

Performance in prerelease review copies is worse than it will be on launch day apparently:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1336066826233651202

 

[zinfamous]

Nah, keep your resolution maxed and just turn off most if not all of the flashy bits like blurring, chroma, AA (temporal might be ok), ambient occlusion and screen space reflections. Lighting and shadow quality will likely need to take a hit too but the GTX 1080 should be able to keep the texture res pretty crispy and the frames up. I know that kind of sounds like "well, why bother then?" but I think the game's going to be quite worth it for us plebs using "old" GPU's too.

Looking at the official sys reqs, I put the GTX 1080 around the "High" (non-RT) settings but without the Ultra preset enabled; it will be interesting to see how it runs.

yes, I'm a bit nervous about my Vega64 on 3440x1440, lol, but I think I'll be fine. ....most concerning might be whatever gameday drivers AMD has c*cked up for this, as it will be the only thing done to my system in prep for this game, so, here we go!

I'm perfectly fine cranking down a lot of the wastey gizmos and playing around "High," and I'm also generally tolerant of frames if they hit 45 fps or so. Might have to see with how the action plays in this game and if that really becomes an issue, but most games I can run these days look plenty fine with what I have set up right now.

If it's not too horribly buggy, I can see myself cranking through this and getting used to whatever settings, then maybe go away for a bit and wait for improvements, DLC maybe or whatever, if I really want to reply things, new character and maybe new hardware by then to start pushing TWIMTBP...well, as they say.

 

[zinfamous]

Performance in prerelease review copies is worse than it will be on launch day apparently:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1336066826233651202

yeah, first thing the Tom's review mentioned is that all the reviewers got a known-glitchy, pre-release version with...duh duh duh! that anti-pirate whatist, ah Denuvo....so many many issues with the testing to tease out, on top of newer release version, + the day one "patch" (seriously, 44gb? Are they sure they aren't just releasing an entirely new build/complete download of another game? wtf)

 

[sze5003]

yeah, first thing the Tom's review mentioned is that all the reviewers got a known-glitchy, pre-release version with...duh duh duh! that anti-pirate whatist, ah Denuvo....so many many issues with the testing to tease out, on top of newer release version, + the day one "patch" (seriously, 44gb? Are they sure they aren't just releasing an entirely new build/complete download of another game? wtf)

I'm not sure how much better it will be on launch. Apparently the recommended specs are for 30-40 fps and this includes the recommended 1060 card they mentioned in their requirements table.

We will see, hopefully it's better. I was considering getting it on console if it was going to run crappy on my pc.

Cyberpunk 2077 PC Benchmarks, Settings, and Performance Analysis

We've tested Cyberpunk 2077 on a bunch of GPUs to see how it runs. Spoiler: It's very demanding.

www.tomshardware.com

 

[EXCellR8]

Those charts @ Tom's are a little scary, not gonna lie...

yes, I'm a bit nervous about my Vega64 on 3440x1440, lol, but I think I'll be fine. ....most concerning might be whatever gameday drivers AMD has c*cked up for this, as it will be the only thing done to my system in prep for this game, so, here we go!

Let me know how Vega does, because I too am figuring AMD is going to miss the mark with the older GPU's... they'll have their hands full trying to get the half dozen AMD 6000 series RT users onboard. Couldn't tell you the last time I actually used my NVIDIA machine for a launch day title (maybe Metro Exodus) but I would much rather use my Ryzen PC for this game. The CPU taking on this game is my old 4790k but I think it'll do just fine.

EDIT: For fun we should stage a contest to see who's got the most terrible rig that runs the game above 30 fps... where's my GTX 780?

 

[EXCellR8]

nvm... same info

 

[zinfamous]

Those charts @ Tom's are a little scary, not gonna lie...



Let me know how Vega does, because I too am figuring AMD is going to miss the mark with the older GPU's... they'll have their hands full trying to get the half dozen AMD 6000 series RT users onboard. Couldn't tell you the last time I actually used my NVIDIA machine for a launch day title (maybe Metro Exodus) but I would much rather use my Ryzen PC for this game. The CPU taking on this game is my old 4790k but I think it'll do just fine.

EDIT: For fun we should stage a contest to see who's got the most terrible rig that runs the game above 30 fps... where's my GTX 780?

I see Virtual Larry laughing because we all know that he will already win that.

 

[VirtualLarry]

I see Virtual Larry laughing because we all know that he will already win that.

LOL. IDK, will a GTX 960 4GB card play CP2077?

 

[MrSquished]

This might be the first PC game I buy in a couple years as I switched to console for most of my gaming. Not interested in upgrading my GC for one game though. I wonder how I can run this with the rig in my sig? r9 390x is my GC. My monitor is 1440P but 1080P should be fine.

 

[sze5003]

Would a GoG purchase still generate a key that can be used on Steam, or are they now locked to this Galaxy thing?

I don't think that works, according to what it says here.

Do I get a Steam key when buying a game from GOG?

We are an independent platform, and none of our games can be redeemed elsewhere. We also do not distribute any physical content - everything you purchased from us, or got from the redeemed gift cod...

support.gog.com

 

[Zenoth]

In regards to the bugs, something I didn't know and should be taken into consideration came to light.

I'm not sure about the console versions, but as far as the PC version reviews go, apparently reviewers were playing on a Streamed version of the game to their PC. And some reviewers had the in-game settings set too high than what their actual PC could handle, as well as connection-related issues causing a plethora of glitches that aren't actually 'caused' by "universal" bugs within one particular game build (the one the reviewers got to play to make their review).

This would explain a lot. I did believe and assumed that - as is usually the case - reviewers out there received an actual physical copy of the game to review it (I was assuming that copy would have been the same as the one in the physical form of the game). But if they reviewed a Streamed game, then user-error, and in some cases reviewers' own PCs unable to fully cope with the chosen in-game settings contributed to exacerbate problems and may even have created 'false' bugs that no one will ever experience with the actual downloaded, played-from-your-actual-hardware/console version of the game.

Not to mention of course that - once more let's remind people - that whichever version of the game they reviewed lacks the Day One patch that is still coming. I don't think that most of us non-reviewers will have the same "buggy experience" with the game as many of them reported (not saying there's no bugs, just saying it's probably not going to be seemingly out of proportion like some reviews made it sound like).

 

[Borealis7]

wait for reviews, people! srsly...
just like Witcher 2 & 3, the game will only be butter-smooth in about 2-3 years when hardware catches up on PC.

 

[Borealis7]

I think I'm going to wait until after the next PoE league to get this. Should be around first or second week in February.

you'll be waiting a lot longer. the 3.13 league was postponed because of CP2077. it will start in January.

 

[zinfamous]

wait for reviews, people! srsly...
just like Witcher 2 & 3, the game will only be butter-smooth in about 2-3 years when hardware catches up on PC.

huh? Witcher 3 wasn't all that problematic, compared to the standard, when it was released. I was playing it on an aging 280X at the time, and it ran fine at 1080. From release on, I never experienced a single game-breaking bug, crash, or any serious glitch.

 

[sze5003]

In regards to the bugs, something I didn't know and should be taken into consideration came to light.

I'm not sure about the console versions, but as far as the PC version reviews go, apparently reviewers were playing on a Streamed version of the game to their PC. And some reviewers had the in-game settings set too high than what their actual PC could handle, as well as connection-related issues causing a plethora of glitches that aren't actually 'caused' by "universal" bugs within one particular game build (the one the reviewers got to play to make their review).

This would explain a lot. I did believe and assumed that - as is usually the case - reviewers out there received an actual physical copy of the game to review it (I was assuming that copy would have been the same as the one in the physical form of the game). But if they reviewed a Streamed game, then user-error, and in some cases reviewers' own PCs unable to fully cope with the chosen in-game settings contributed to exacerbate problems and may even have created 'false' bugs that no one will ever experience with the actual downloaded, played-from-your-actual-hardware/console version of the game.

Not to mention of course that - once more let's remind people - that whichever version of the game they reviewed lacks the Day One patch that is still coming. I don't think that most of us non-reviewers will have the same "buggy experience" with the game as many of them reported (not saying there's no bugs, just saying it's probably not going to be seemingly out of proportion like some reviews made it sound like).

Is there any source for this that they were playing the title streamed? I've already preloaded the game in GoG.

Curious why reviewers would not be able to have a local copy, maybe without the day 1 patch if everyone can preload the title now.

People are also saying the day 1 patch will fix everything but I don't think it will. Despite that I've never had issues with witcher 3.

 

[zinfamous]

Is there any source for this that they were playing the title streamed? I've already preloaded the game in GoG.

Curious why reviewers would not be able to have a local copy, maybe without the day 1 patch if everyone can preload the title now.

People are also saying the day 1 patch will fix everything but I don't think it will. Despite that I've never had issues with witcher 3.

Yeah, I also didn't see anything about it being streamed, but I do think the anti-pirating software required some back-end connection and resources to CDPR servers? Maybe that is how he read that.

and yeah, I'm certain there will be issues on day 1, and I wouldn't be surprised if most of that is due to drivers--whatever nVidia or AMD have ready for this, might be broken by either--their own incompetence, or whatever is going on with the day 1 patch that the GPU people might not have access to? I assume that the day 1 patch is mostly resources for next-gen stuff on GPUs and consoles, on top of a slew of general bug fixes? It's huge though--it makes me think there is an entire texture overhaul or something, but that wouldn't make sense, would it?