DaveB3D 3dfx and nVidia

[superbaby]

<< Knowledge is not a precursor to credibility, but seniority on this board is. >>


If that's true, then I'm leaving this board. I have no interest in anything but technical articles, not whether someone's integrity is credible or not. I know of some senior members which could certainly use a good refresher in common sense and basic techincal know-how.

However regardless of whether or not DaveB3D is responsible for 3dfx's products, he still shouldn't post here. Like what someone above said, the instant he posts people will look to him to be the 3dfx guy. He isn't but that's the image he draws.

I wonder if 3dfx knows he's posting here anyways. I know my company would have lawyers all over an employee if he/she decided to start posting stuff in the company's name. It seems his posts are just way too care-free in wording.

 

[DaveB3D]

Exactly.. Posting &quot;in the companies name&quot; is the key. Add I don't do that.

 

[Wingznut]

I don't recall a single time where Dave represented 3dfx.

When I post, I certainly don't represent Jeep or Daimler-Chrysler in any way. Why would it be any different for Dave?


Superbaby, do you represent your employer when you post here?

 

[RoboTECH]

madthumbs, I got a very nice performance increase from 1.01 to 1.03, and I haven't had a single issue. Not sure what your problems are linked to, but you are one of the only ones I've seen with &quot;issues&quot;.
post 'em up and i'll see if I can help.

 

[Weyoun]

<< Knowledge is not a precursor to credibility, but seniority on this board is >>


One word: Paulson

 

[Wingznut]

Heh, any monkey can post on the AT forums 200+ times, and become a Senior Member. Imho, that means very little to their credibility.

 

[dawheat]

my 2 cents.

I believe Dave is one of the most intelligent and informed members of our forums. Reading at the Beyond3d forums continually leaves me befuddled, but what i learn is invaluable.

However it is difficult to seperate the man from the company. Is he biased? Whether he is or not is irrelvant. Everyone on these forums have some bias. His posts still contain useful information which can be argued in the forums, but personal attacks are pointless and destructive. If you disagree with him, then argue the point, not his credibility.

But Dave should still be careful, his conduct and responses reflect on his company. Whether he's goaded or not, whether the attacks having any merit or not, the fact that he is an employee of 3dfx and thusfar, as for these forums, represents them to a small extent.

 

[Wingznut]

Does that mean that my conduct reflects on Daimler-Chrysler?

If I tell someone to &quot;f-off&quot;, are you not going to buy that Benz you were saving up for?

 

[dawheat]

its different for you Wingnut. If you were an engineer at Mercedes and on some automobile forums you were commenting on BMW, etc and became embroiled in an arguement about the virtues of Mercedes, I think to a small extent, your behavior would relfect upon your company. Not a large extent, but its still something right? I'm not putting down Dave, but as fellow working professionals, we're really not allowed to act any way we'd like are we? Whether people should or should not associate an employee with his company is irrelevant. People DO make that association, which means we all should be mindful of how we present an image of our respective companies.

 

[Deeko]

I thought it was really funny that Hardware thought the comment about seniority being more important than knowledge was a good point. He must be telling us something....maybe &quot;I'm a senior member but I sure am dumb!&quot;

 

[Wingznut]

True, people DO make that association... But really, only when they want to. Generally to &quot;attack&quot; that person/company.

 

[madthumbs]

&quot;But Dave should still be careful, his conduct and responses reflect on his company. &quot;

Well, unfortunately Dave isn't the only one over at 3dfxgamers that reflect poorly on 3dfx. If you want to see a waste hole of a mssg. board go to 3dfxgamers.com. Some of the mods there are as bad as the users. I guess that it's acceptable to 3dfx.

If Dave was so $mart, he would realize that there is no such thing as a 1 sided fight, no one wins a war, and he has already proven that his image is smeared by retaliating especially over the little things I've seen him get sarcastic about. Education does not a wise or smart man make.

 

[Hardware]

Well the mods are freetime unpaid hobbydudes so dont expect good work from them for $0!

 

[Wingznut]

Heh, I can't spend ten minutes at the 3dfxgamers msg boards, before I get a headache. It's a mess over there. What I don't get about those forums, are the amount of 3dfx bashers who hang out on a 3dfx forum. It cracks me up. At the same time, I don't get it.

I visited the nVidia forums, expecting a lot of nVidia bashing. But there really wasn't any. I don't get it.

 

[DaveB3D]

Madthumbs,

If you don't like what is at 3dfxgamers, don't go there. Yeah, I'm saying things sarchastic. But if people want to troll over there I'm going to have fun with them.

 

[Ben88]

I think your signature pretty much sums up this whole discussion. You have to understand that just because something is your opinion, that does not somehow preclude you from receiving critisism. Yes it is your rightful opinion, and yes people can rightfully bitch about it. Get over it!!

 

[madthumbs]

Dave,
I would agree with you not to go over there, but the mssg board is the fastest way to get updates on what is happening. If I hadn't ventured over there, I would not have discovered the .bat file that sharkfood released on us that worked flawlessly with SoF as opposed to Q3 which he had it configured for. Unfortuneatly there is a lot of crap to wade through there. Now you speak of trolling, but I have seen instances where someone new was attacked with sarcasm by you. It was possible that the person lacked some understanding, but was assumed to be a troll I guess. Wether they are trolling and &quot;deserve&quot; it in your opinion or not, it doesn't reflect well on 3dfx at all. If you remember me at all from that forum, you may recall how helpful I was to other users. Unfortuneatly one of the mods there saw it fit to participate in harassment against me concerning something that wasn't even 3dfx related. Furthermore the harassment was unwarranted. Do you think that 3dfx benefited in how it treated me? I am not a single case here either. I have seen other people in that forum turn against 3dfx for all the snooty flaming going on there, and I'm not referring to the &quot;nvidiots&quot; which actually for the most part appear more respectful, knowledgeable, and helpful than all the diehard 3dfx trolls could hope to be (in general). I have seen you mention that you &quot;spoke to nvidia&quot; once and made a statement regarding it. Now if I speak to you does that mean that I &quot;spoke to 3dfx&quot;? When someone questioned how you could speak to Nvidia, you didn't mention &quot;who&quot; it was you were speaking to at nvidia. Why not just direct answers instead of sarcasm? If there is no answer, why not drop it? I don't base my opinion toward 3dfx PR on how one mod treated me.

On another note, I see that you are an engineer at 3dfx. I was curious as to what technologies you have contributed to on any of their cards.

 

[Chad]

I agree BenSkywalker %100. I am disgusted by a lot of the sensless bashing of Dave going on around here lately. I thought we here at Anand's were all mature and could rationalize things out, but sometimes when I see posters like Hardware attacking Dave, it just makes me want to leave this place entirely.

I don't always agree with Dave, but I certainly value his assesment of video card hardware, and where we differ, I politely disagree and go on my way.

Overall, I think Dave's pretty cool and handles himself well and respectable for the most part, especially considering the way a lot of posters react to him.

Anyhwhoo... I think everyone should take a step back, think about other posters PERSONAL feelings before they post abrasive rude and snide remarks, that's just not the Anandtech way.

Go PowerVR!!!!!! (j/k)

 

[DaveB3D]

Just because somebody is new does not make them not a troll. It is very easy to tell when somebody doesn't understand or when they are a troll (sometimes it is both). I personally handle the situation as I feel needed.


I've only been here less than 2 months. So asking me what I've contributed is not a fair question.

 

[superbaby]

<< Superbaby, do you represent your employer when you post here? >>


I can't believe you even posted that. Do you have any brains? HE WORKS FOR 3DFX. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT 3DFX! Need I make any connections?

I work for a mutual fund company. If this was a financial advisory board, and I posted something, you bet there would be people asking me questions, scrutinizing my posts and flaming them when I said something they didn't like.

We DO run a web based message board, not similar to this, but employees are NOT allowed to post there. It's just the inherent nature of people to associate people working for the company, to be making statements for the company. IT IS COMMON SENSE!

IMO DaveB3D is just drawing flames to himself by continuing to post here, you are just baiting Hardware to come flame you more and it's giving a friggin headache :|

 

[DaveB3D]

So would it be bad if I worked for Kraft and posted on a cooking website? I don't think so. People just take things way to far to the extreme. This is a case of that.

 

[superbaby]

<< So would it be bad if I worked for Kraft and posted on a cooking website? >>


You should re-evaluate what you just wrote.

Let me give you a couple more hints:

Developer posting on his own software board.
Physics teacher posting on a board that discusses relativity.
Cop posting on a car enthusiasts board.

Yes/no?

 

[Sephiroth_IX]

Dave has more knowledge about both future products from every company in the card business and also more about engineering. He is, in my eyes, a valued member and not a bad guy, either. There are few times when i have seen him spout BS. Either way, he is speaking his opinion and seems objective most of the time.

It would be a loss if everyone ignorantly flamed him and he left the board.

 

[Wingznut]

Well superbaby, I suppose I ought to refrain from posting any opinions about any of Daimler-Chrysler's products. Or any of their competitors, for that matter.

 

[superbaby]

<< Well superbaby, I suppose I ought to refrain from posting any opinions about any of Daimler-Chrysler's products. Or any of their competitors, for that matter. >>


I believe you should read your company policy regarding that, I do think a clause exists where you cannot talk about any information relating your job or company information that is potentially damaging. However I guess it depends on which department you are working in, and what kind of security clearance you have. There was an incident on bimmer.org once where a BMW employee was posting stuff about BMW cars and the actual manufacturing cost - In the end he got a restraining order NOT to post anymore, despite that he was giving out good advice to potential BMW customers.

Just try going to a Mercedes-Benz bulletin board and post saying that you work for them. Link that thread, because I would get a good laugh reading the responses. Please note that in AnandTech we are talking about computers, not about luxury cars - we are in different categories so using yourself as an example is invalid.

At my mutual funds company I work in e-Services. Because of the nature of my work I am not allowed to talk about anything I work on, nor do I want to. To be responsible or indirectly responsible for my company is more weight than I want to put on my shoulders.

It's all up to Dave - people will see him as a representative from 3dfx and that's that. There's nothing you can do about that. And the flames will continue.