Deadly Shootings, Explosions In Paris

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CZroe

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Those were done by amateur individuals or small groups, not professionals. And if you think Islamic terrorists have no professionals go and read up some of the material on global terrorism.

So far reports are that there were two holding up the entire theater. They may not be Eric and Dylan, but they didn't have the manpower for professionalism to factor much.
 

norseamd

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So far reports are that there were two holding up the entire theater.

And they probably had body armor, automatic weapons, and explosives too, plus they have probably had formal education in terrorism.
 

Svnla

Lifer
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What kind of sicko fuckers that slaughtered unarmed innocent civilians that did nothing wrong to them? Bastards.
 

UNCjigga

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Can you explain?
Well, it seems that Russia has made supporting the Assad regime a central tenet of joining their coalition against ISIS. Europe and the US are reluctant to do so, since many of the refugees were fleeing Assad before ISIS ever got a foothold.
 

highland145

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Those were done by amateur individuals or small groups, not professionals. And if you think Islamic terrorists have no professionals go and read up some of the material on global terrorism.
That wasn't his point but he can answer.
 

HamburgerBoy

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You must be hopelessly damaged to hear about a horrific tragedy, where 60 or more innocent people were murdered, and see it as the perfect time for a partisan cheap shot. Get help. Seriously.

RIP to the victims, and condolences to their family and friends. As for the perpetrators and their supporters, I almost hope there is an Allah who will repay them with an eternity in an especially brutal circle of hell. Karma.

Don't see anything partisan about the "religion of peace" statement, even if it has its origins in American politics (I assume it does but don't care). It's obvious that only radical Islam commits terrorist acts on this scale these days, and that those doing it can thanks to overly liberal immigration policies.
 

norseamd

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Well, it seems that Russia has made supporting the Assad regime a central tenet of joining their coalition against ISIS. Europe and the US are reluctant to do so, since many of the refugees were fleeing Assad before ISIS ever got a foothold.

Yah I know what you are talking about here.

I think that decentralized confederations are the only way we can mitigate the catastrophe that Iraq and Syria are right now.
 

highland145

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It's fucking bizarre. The politicians are bending over backwards to let in as many "refugees" as possible, whereas the people are absolutely terrified. There are a couple of politicians that actually give a damn whether the populace are raped/slaughtered, but they are drowned out with sheer stupidity from opposing parties.
That is effed up.
 

WackyDan

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It's fucking bizarre. The politicians are bending over backwards to let in as many "refugees" as possible, whereas the people are absolutely terrified. There are a couple of politicians that actually give a damn whether the populace are raped/slaughtered, but they are drowned out with sheer stupidity from opposing parties.

Geert Wilders is a fine example. Guy gives a damn, but all the other Dutch politicians just insult the guy.

Next elections across the EU are going to be pretty interesting.
 

norseamd

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If you think ISIS has no idea what they are doing then you are just imbeciles. They have put psychology and public response into their MO from day one. Not suggesting that the refugee policies have nothing wrong with them, but this might have nothing to do with the current Syrian refugees, and ISIS might have seen a golden opportunity.
 

postmortemIA

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It's fucking bizarre. The politicians are bending over backwards to let in as many "refugees" as possible, whereas the people are absolutely terrified. There are a couple of politicians that actually give a damn whether the populace are raped/slaughtered, but they are drowned out with sheer stupidity from opposing parties.

Geert Wilders is a fine example. Guy gives a damn, but all the other Dutch politicians just insult the guy.
See Hungary, they know the best after fighting Ottomans for centuries. They have locked down their borders with wire, and refugees are finding alternate routes without crossing in. Really Germany haven't gotten a taste of what Hungary and France have/had to deal with; it just just matter of time now for them to face consequences.
 

bshole

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If you think ISIS has no idea what they are doing then you are just imbeciles. They have put psychology and public response into their MO from day one. Not suggesting that the refugee policies have nothing wrong with them, but this might have nothing to do with the current Syrian refugees, and ISIS might have seen a golden opportunity.

They desperately want us to engage them in Syria. Their holy book has an end of days prophecy in which we all attack them in Syria. Well fuck that. We failed rebuilding Iraq and Afghanistan, we helped turned Libya into anarchy, we have no interest in going to Syria. Let them kill each other and send ALL their refugees to Saudi Arabia.
 

bshole

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See Hungary, they know the best after fighting Ottomans for centuries. They have locked down their borders with wire, and refugees are finding alternate routes without crossing in. Really Germany haven't gotten a taste of what Hungary and France have/had to deal with; it just just matter of time now for them to face consequences.

The backlash on this is going to be brutal. I am enraged to a point that I haven't been in years. Absolutely livid.
 

CZroe

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The aurora shooter did not choose a movie theater because it didn't allow guns. There is no evidence for that. There's also no evidence that an armed populace played into any decisions here.



This argument against gun control is terrible. Not only is the evidence for it weak to nonexistent, but it ignores how many people would likely die each year due to expanded gun availability.
There's plenty of evidence for it if you concede that evidence can be evidence without being proof. The Mother Jones report you refer to ignores that his AFF profile and notes imply that he expected to survive even if he expected to get caught. In fact, he wrote that he was "99% certain" of it. He ignored a closer theater and a larger theater a short distance away which both had advantages otherwise. The only deciding factor that makes sense is the prohibition of personal firearms at the Aurora theater.
 

highland145

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There's plenty of evidence for it if you concede that evidence can be evidence without being proof. The Mother Jones report you refer to ignores that his AFF profile and notes imply that he expected to survive. He ignored a closer theater and a larger theater a short distance away which both had advantages otherwise. The only deciding factor that makes sense is the prohibition of personal firearms at the Aurora theater.
Maybe or he was bat shit crazy. Also true that I don't see many crazies attacking police stations.


Awesome avatar.
 

Slew Foot

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Stupid liberal PC pussy immigration policies caused this. hate to say they deserved it, but everyone with a brain saw this coming
 

fskimospy

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There's plenty of evidence for it. The Mother Jones report you refer to ignores that his AFF profile and notes imply that he expected to survive. He ignored a closer theater and a larger theater a short distance away which both had advantages otherwise. The only deciding factor that makes sense is the prohibition of personal firearms at the Aurora theater.

I'm not referring to any mother jones report. I'm simply saying that there is literally zero evidence in either his statements or his writings that he was aware that the theater didn't allow guns or that it impacted his choice of target. He even made a list of pros and cons for each location, which would have been exactly where he would have put such a thought if he had it. He didn't.

Sorry, but the idea that he selected that theater because of its gun policy simply has no support in the evidence.

Edit: he also did not say he was 99% certain he would survive, he said he was 99% certain he would be caught. They are not the same.
 
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