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deadlyapp

Diamond Member
Apr 25, 2004
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Are we talking about a dedicated bike lane here? I thought we were talking about a normal road, no dedicated lane. In that case, I don't think ciclist has right of way. He is behind me. I don't drive anywhere that has dedicated lanes so never bothered learning the rules for those.

You should be treating it no differently than a car. Imagine if there was a right lane with a car moving slower and you just passed him and need to turn right. If you have enough of a gap and spread, then you can safely turn right without cutting him off. If you don't, you need to slow and yield to them, even though it's annoying.

People need to treat bicycles nearly the same as cars, and that's really the short of it.
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
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Are we talking about a dedicated bike lane here? I thought we were talking about a normal road, no dedicated lane. In that case, I don't think ciclist has right of way. He is behind me. I don't drive anywhere that has dedicated lanes so never bothered learning the rules for those.

It doesn't matter. Either way, if you pass someone and then cut them off by turning right across their path of travel and they hit you, you are at fault.
 

tynopik

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Aug 10, 2004
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You have a very hateful attitude towards cyclist, yet not once could you give me a personal account where a cyclist directly affected you. It's pretty clear you're posting in this thread for no reason other than hatemongering, and it's only making you seem irrational to all the other posters here.

This isn't a college admissions, I don't need a personal experience essay

all i need is AN ORDER OF MAGNITUDE MORE LIKELY TO GET KILLED

people get worked up all the time for things that increase your risk of cancer by a fraction of a percent, yet i'm being 'hateful' for pointing out how dumb it is to allow cyclists on the roads when the difference is AN ORDER OF MAGNITUDE

anyone who supports bikes on the road is the real hateful person, you must love people getting crushed and brains splattered all over the road because there's no other reason to support such an indefensible position. How can you live with knowing all the people you're condemning to death?
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
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This isn't a college admissions, I don't need a personal experience essay

all i need is AN ORDER OF MAGNITUDE MORE LIKELY TO GET KILLED

people get worked up all the time for things that increase your risk of cancer by a fraction of a percent, yet i'm being 'hateful' for pointing out how dumb it is to allow cyclists on the roads when the difference is AN ORDER OF MAGNITUDE

really, anyone who supports bikes on the road is the real hateful person, you must love people getting crushed and brains splattered all over the road because there's no other reason to support such an indefensible position

Here stupid... read this.

http://www.pedbikeinfo.org/data/factsheet_crash.cfm

In 2013, 743 people lost their lives in bicycle/motor vehicle crashes, just under two people every day of the year in the U.S. This is the highest number of fatalities since 2006, when 772 were killed, and a major incurease from from the 682 bicyclist fatalities reported in 2011. These numbers represent just over two percent of the total number of people killed and injured in traffic crashes in 2012.

The number of estimated bicyclist injuries dropped to 48,000 in 2013, down from 49,000 in 2012. Injuries have hovered around 50,000 in recent years with 52,000 injuries in 2008, 51,000 in 2009, and 52,000 again in 2010. However, these figures have not always been so steady. Injuries totaled 68,000 in 1993 and slowly fell to 41,000 in 2003, only to rise again. Like walking injury figures, research into hospital records shows that only a fraction of bicycle crashes causing injury are ever recorded by the police, possibly as low as ten percent.

Obviously with 743 deaths per year, there are risks associated with riding a bicycle. Bicycle fatalities represent less than two percent of all traffic fatalities, and yet bicycle trips account for only one percent of all trips in the United States. However, bicycling remains a healthful, inherently safe activity for tens of millions of people every year.

As mentioned, bicyclists seem to be over-represented in the crash data, but, there is no reliable source of exposure data as we don't know how many miles bicyclists travel each year, and we don't know how long it takes them to cover those miles (and thus how long they are exposed to motor vehicle traffic). Risk based on exposure varies by time of day (with night time being more risky), experience level of rider, location of riding, alcohol use, and many other factors. Until we have better exposure measures, we just don't know how bicyclist risk compares to other modes, but the health benefits of riding may offset some of this risk.
Face it, your arguments are idiotic.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
Sep 5, 2000
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A work friend of mine was killed 3 months ago. A motorist hit him and then over corrected again and hit a motorcyclist head on. Killed both of them. Shitty. A 54 year old man who did good work his whole life erased.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maciek_Malish
 

Carson Dyle

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After being out of the sport for some time (~11yrs), I recently got back into cycling. Over the course of 2015 I realized there is a big problem with our sport, one that is bringing on some flack that I think is well deserved at this point.

The problem is a lot of us are acting like raging assholes.

There's your first problem. There is no "us". That's like saying "It looks like a lot of us with blue shirts are acting like assholes." Nothing ties together people wearing blue shirts. There are just too many, too diverse, and they have very little in common. And the same thing with people riding a bicycle. It's not a lifestyle, a religion, a club, or whatever else you seem to be thinking.

I don’t know why or how it’s gotten so bad, but it seems like every other cyclist I meet gives me a dirty look when I give them a wave and a smile.

Try doing that to other pedestrians while walking down the street. You'll get the same reaction. I don't think that would surprise you, yet you seem to be surprised that people on bicycles don't acknowledge your mutual membership of the clan.
 

cbrunny

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This isn't a college admissions, I don't need a personal experience essay

all i need is AN ORDER OF MAGNITUDE MORE LIKELY TO GET KILLED

people get worked up all the time for things that increase your risk of cancer by a fraction of a percent, yet i'm being 'hateful' for pointing out how dumb it is to allow cyclists on the roads when the difference is AN ORDER OF MAGNITUDE

anyone who supports bikes on the road is the real hateful person, you must love people getting crushed and brains splattered all over the road because there's no other reason to support such an indefensible position. How can you live with knowing all the people you're condemning to death?

Stupid and wrong.
 

tynopik

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Aug 10, 2004
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Here stupid... read this.

http://www.pedbikeinfo.org/data/factsheet_crash.cfm
Bicycle fatalities represent less than two percent of all traffic fatalities, and yet bicycle trips account for only one percent of all trips in the United States.

Face it, your arguments are idiotic.

So twice as likely to die per trip and we know car trips are typically longer than bike trips, so . . . thanks for backing up my argument that deathcycles should not be allowed on roads!
 

Phanuel

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So twice as likely to die per trip and we know car trips are typically longer than bike trips, so . . . thanks for backing up my argument that deathcycles should not be allowed on roads!

If we removed cars from the road we'd save over 30K lives a year. Why don't we start there first?
 

tynopik

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If we removed cars from the road we'd save over 30K lives a year. Why don't we start there first?

because people need a way to get around

cars aren't perfect by any means, but they're far safer than deathcycles
 

brianmanahan

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Sep 2, 2006
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was I not clear? The problem is that they're on the road in the first place.

If you can't keep up with traffic, you don't belong on the road, period.

Even the 'best behaved' cyclist is a road hazard

tractors can't keep up with traffic either but they have to drive on the roads
 

Humpy

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Mar 3, 2011
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anyone who supports bikes on the road is the real hateful person, you must love people getting crushed and brains splattered all over the road because there's no other reason to support such an indefensible position. How can you live with knowing all the people you're condemning to death?

:biggrin: I'm a big fan of fail posts and shit slinging so I want you to know how much I personally appreciate what you brought to the forum today. Just a fantastic display of dumb. Thank you.

Also, I believe your core argument that the only way to truly save people from themselves is to ban all human activity (i.e. kill everyone) is logical.
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
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do you disagree that you're far more likely to get killed on a deathcycle than in a car?

Yes, I disagree with you. You clearly know nothing and have no facts yet you continue to spew nonsense.

The 25 Most Common Causes of Death.

http://www.medhelp.org/general-health/articles/The-25-Most-Common-Causes-of-Death/193?page=2

#8: Car accident
Odds of dying: 1 in 272
Car accidents are a major area of concern in the U.S. and teenage drivers are at the root of the problem. In 2009, the CDC reported that 3,000 teens ages 15 to 19 were killed in automobile accidents and 350,000 were treated in emergency rooms because of car accidents. While young people ages 15 to 24 comprise 14 percent of the population, they account for 30 percent of car accidents.

#17: Bicycle accident
Odds of dying: 1 in 4,147
In 2009, 630 bicyclists were killed, and a whopping 51,000 were injured in accidents. Most of these deaths occurred in urban areas, where there are more cars and traffic congestion. The number one thing you can do to reduce your risk? Wear a helmet!
 

tortillasoup

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:biggrin: I'm a big fan of fail posts and shit slinging so I want you to know how much I personally appreciate what you brought to the forum today. Just a fantastic display of dumb. Thank you.

Also, I believe your core argument that the only way to truly save people from themselves is to ban all human activity (i.e. kill everyone) is logical.

spare the rod, spoil the child. I can't think of any problem that can't be solved by killing people.
 

tynopik

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Aug 10, 2004
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Yes, I disagree with you. You clearly know nothing and have no facts yet you continue to spew nonsense.

The 25 Most Common Causes of Death.

http://www.medhelp.org/general-health/articles/The-25-Most-Common-Causes-of-Death/193?page=2

#8: Car accident
Odds of dying: 1 in 272
Car accidents are a major area of concern in the U.S. and teenage drivers are at the root of the problem. In 2009, the CDC reported that 3,000 teens ages 15 to 19 were killed in automobile accidents and 350,000 were treated in emergency rooms because of car accidents. While young people ages 15 to 24 comprise 14 percent of the population, they account for 30 percent of car accidents.

#17: Bicycle accident
Odds of dying: 1 in 4,147
In 2009, 630 bicyclists were killed, and a whopping 51,000 were injured in accidents. Most of these deaths occurred in urban areas, where there are more cars and traffic congestion. The number one thing you can do to reduce your risk? Wear a helmet!

Deaths by russian roulette are significantly below either of those. I guess that makes it a safe and fun activity?
 

runzwithsizorz

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Jan 24, 2002
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How exactly is it dangerous to "everyone on the road?" If I'm driving my car and I hit a cyclist, which I've never done in 35+ years and many hundreds of thousands of miles of driving, how is that dangerous to me exactly?

You are making assertions with zero facts to back them up.

You are the opposite of right.

Oh my goodness, look at you. I was driving in San Diego about the time the 805 was built. I was a daily 28' bobtail driver for Lloyds, Trend, and La Mesa van, and storage for 5 years. All companies that died when you were still in grade school, (35 years ago). My *youngest* grandchild is more than a year older than your son, and yet you claim 35 PLUS years of driving, when I can only honestly claim 44. "HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF MILES OF DRIVING", Well gee, you have joined the ranks of millions of Americans who commute daily, aren't you special.
Maybe you should tone down that resume a bit, cuz some of us here have watched, have a brain, and umm,-- math.
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
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Oh my goodness, look at you. I was driving in San Diego about the time the 805 was built. I was a daily 28' bobtail driver for Lloyds, Trend, and La Mesa van, and storage for 5 years. All companies that died when you were still in grade school, (35 years ago). My *youngest* grandchild is more than a year older than your son, and yet you claim 35 PLUS years of driving, when I can only honestly claim 44. "HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF MILES OF DRIVING", Well gee, you have joined the ranks of millions of Americans who commute daily, aren't you special.
Maybe you should tone down that resume a bit, cuz some of us here have watched, have a brain, and umm,-- math.

I wasn't looking to impress you or anyone else.

If you actually have something meaningful to add to the thread I'm all ears but if you just want to shit all over the place kindly fuck off.
 

tortillasoup

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Jan 12, 2011
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Deaths by russian roulette are significantly below either of those. I guess that makes it a safe and fun activity?

I encourage everybody to play that game at least once in their lifetime. What's the worst that could happen?
 
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