Debunking Biblical Myths

[Dumac]

Originally posted by: soonerproud

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282
He lived in a time where the general populations intellect was actually below that of those in the south today.

You are a moron.

Do you have links that prove that Southerners have a lower intellect than the rest of the US? Many of this countries most influential fore fathers were southerners including Washington and Jefferson. The best economies in the US today are in the southern states and some prestigious universities are in the south.

Funny thing is there are as many people in the north that believe stuff like the earth is 6000 years old and in a flood. They believe it not on science but purely on faith. You can not disprove faith with science because faith is based on belief, not on actual evidence. That doesn't make people who believe that stuff stupid or even a lower intellect. It just means they are willing to accept the supernatural over the natural.

He is talking about current times, so Washington and Jefferson are irrelevant.

The best economies are in the southern states? Link? Do you mean pre or post meltdown?

Prestigious universities in the south? Not many. Much less than the Northeast or West Coast. I can't really think of any prestigious universities in the south really, except for maybe Tulane, but that school is only well known for being decent in a place filled with crappy schools

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282
If you are talking about recorded history...well the Romans were the first to start that since they were one of the first to actually have a written language.

No.
Written language is way older than Rome . Writing from Mesopotamia exist from over 3000 years before the Romans that contain everything from farm records to politics. The Jewish Torah has been confirmed to be over 2500 years old.

I said they were ONE of the first.

No you said "If you are talking about recorded history...well the Romans were the first to start that"

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt


The fact that it mentions a few people that existed and takes place in real world cities does not make it historical. The real meat of the bible, the earthshaking events, the miracles, the revelations, ALL BULLSHIT. The fact that Superman and Batman are set on earth does not make them historical and neither is the bible.

Archeologist and University scholars would disagree with you. I'll take their judgment that it has historical value over your opinion.

The bible was written by thousands of freaks throughout history that wrote other religions. That's pretty much all the bible is, a collection of stories, fables and myths that were used by the Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, Sumerians and other "pagan" religions based in that area. The stories were passed around all of the med and like a giant telephone game, they changed a bit over each telling. The people who collected those stories into the bible were most definitely control freaks. There were 50+ "gospels" that mention the life of Jesus in some form. One original "gospel" and three copies of it were kept as the "word of god" while the others were buried and the people that knew about them killed or otherwise silenced. Why you may ask? You *should* ask because you're pretty clearly ignorant on the subject. Because that one gospel and the three copies of it were the only ones that attribute any sort of divinity to Jesus. In the rest he was just a rabble-rousing hippie that didn't perform any miracles and that didn't have any special relationship with god. So 40+ that say something similar are hidden while one and three copies of the one are kept and you claim that it's not written by control freaks? ROFLMAO!!!

Changed it over each telling ? No. The Jewish Torah is so strict in making copies that if even one letter is written wrong the entire Torah is judged unusable. And it has been copied that way for thousands of years. Look up Torah counters, they are called counters because they literally have to count every single letter in every paragraph and every page , if it doesn't match the whole page has to be rewritten. You are trying to attack religion and I don't care what your religious beliefs are. I look at the bible as a historical book that contains many stories about how someone can find meaning in life.

I'm thinking that thinking is beyond you. You'd know that if you ever read it instead of trying to debate a topic with which you're not familiar.

Have you taken college courses in theology ? I have . Have you read the reports of scholars since you graduated from college 15 years ago ? I have.

Like the churches and religions that are based on the big book of fairy tales? Seriously, are you this naive about the history of biblical religions? Up until very recently suggesting that the bible was anything other than fact was grounds for excommunication and even murder. Only recently has science so destroyed the fairy tales that the churches were forced to backpedal into "it's only allegorical stories, we don't mean to take it literally". For 2000 years they damn sure took it literally and forced their followers to take it literally.

So because some misused the bible we should toss it out completely ? Let the book burning begin. Let us toss out Nietzsche first. People believe that guy and clearly everything in his books is worthless because if some people do bad things because of it, that means everyone will and whole work needs to be burned.

 

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: Dumac

Originally posted by: soonerproud

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282
He lived in a time where the general populations intellect was actually below that of those in the south today.

You are a moron.

Do you have links that prove that Southerners have a lower intellect than the rest of the US? Many of this countries most influential fore fathers were southerners including Washington and Jefferson. The best economies in the US today are in the southern states and some prestigious universities are in the south.

Funny thing is there are as many people in the north that believe stuff like the earth is 6000 years old and in a flood. They believe it not on science but purely on faith. You can not disprove faith with science because faith is based on belief, not on actual evidence. That doesn't make people who believe that stuff stupid or even a lower intellect. It just means they are willing to accept the supernatural over the natural.

He is talking about current times, so Washington and Jefferson are irrelevant.

The best economies are in the southern states? Link? Do you mean pre or post meltdown?

Prestigious universities in the south? Not many. Much less than the Northeast or West Coast. I can't really think of any prestigious universities in the south really, except for maybe Tulane, but that school is only well known for being decent in a place filled with crappy schools

Vanderbilt, Duke, Chapel Hill, UVa, Emory, Ga Tech...

Many of the State uni's are comparable/equal to those in most other states as well. CA being a possible exception as the top UC schools are world leaders.

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: Dumac
He is talking about current times, so Washington and Jefferson are irrelevant.

The best economies are in the southern states? Link? Do you mean pre or post meltdown?

Prestigious universities in the south? Not many. Much less than the Northeast or West Coast. I can't really think of any prestigious universities in the south really, except for maybe Tulane, but that school is only well known for being decent in a place filled with crappy schools

Todays southerners are descendent's of Washington and Jefferson so they are very much relevant. I was just pointing out that smart people do come from the south and they do influence the daily life in the US. People that think southerners are intrinsically dumber than the rest of the US are just complete morons.

Many southern states have had lower unemployment than most northern states for years both before and after the melt down. Just research the unemployment figures for the last five years and you will see that some of the most booming economies have been in southern states like Texas, Oklahoma, Virginia, Louisiana and others. Oklahoma is currently 3 points below the national average on the unemployment rate and our banks and financial institutions are among the strongest in the world. We have a healthy real estate market that did not get over inflated, like much of the rest of the nation. Other southern states are in a similar position to Oklahoma. The only states doing better are states like Iowa, Nebraska and North Dakota which are also highly religious states too.

Unemployment figures for June 2009


Emory, Duke and Vanderbilt are all prestigious universities in the south.

 

[Dumac]

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: Dumac

Originally posted by: soonerproud

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282
He lived in a time where the general populations intellect was actually below that of those in the south today.

You are a moron.

Do you have links that prove that Southerners have a lower intellect than the rest of the US? Many of this countries most influential fore fathers were southerners including Washington and Jefferson. The best economies in the US today are in the southern states and some prestigious universities are in the south.

Funny thing is there are as many people in the north that believe stuff like the earth is 6000 years old and in a flood. They believe it not on science but purely on faith. You can not disprove faith with science because faith is based on belief, not on actual evidence. That doesn't make people who believe that stuff stupid or even a lower intellect. It just means they are willing to accept the supernatural over the natural.

He is talking about current times, so Washington and Jefferson are irrelevant.

The best economies are in the southern states? Link? Do you mean pre or post meltdown?

Prestigious universities in the south? Not many. Much less than the Northeast or West Coast. I can't really think of any prestigious universities in the south really, except for maybe Tulane, but that school is only well known for being decent in a place filled with crappy schools

Vanderbilt, Duke, Chapel Hill, UVa, Emory, Ga Tech...

Many of the State uni's are comparable/equal to those in most other states as well. CA being a possible exception as the top UC schools are world leaders.

Oh, I wasn't considering the Virginia/Tennessee area when I was talking about the south, and I don't think the OP was either. That area has some good universities.

When I say South, I think Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, and Florida.

States like Virginia, North Carolina, Tennessee...I see them differently as they have different cultures, standards, and resources. A mistake on my part for not clarifying my unique view on the matter.

Emory and Ga Tech are decent schools that I didn't remember, but they still hold nothing to the West/Northeast.

Either way, schools don't signify which area is less intelligent, just which area has less resources.

 

[Dumac]

Originally posted by: soonerproud

Originally posted by: Dumac
He is talking about current times, so Washington and Jefferson are irrelevant.

The best economies are in the southern states? Link? Do you mean pre or post meltdown?

Prestigious universities in the south? Not many. Much less than the Northeast or West Coast. I can't really think of any prestigious universities in the south really, except for maybe Tulane, but that school is only well known for being decent in a place filled with crappy schools

Todays southerners are descendent's of Washington and Jefferson so they are very much relevant. I was just pointing out that smart people do come from the south and they do influence the daily life in the US. People that think southerners are intrinsically dumber than the rest of the US are just complete morons.

Many southern states have had lower unemployment than most northern states for years both before and after the melt down. Just research the unemployment figures for the last five years and you will see that some of the most booming economies have been in southern states like Texas, Oklahoma, Virginia, Louisiana and others. Oklahoma is currently 3 points below the national average on the unemployment rate and our banks and financial institutions are among the strongest in the world. We have a healthy real estate market that did not get over inflated, like much of the rest of the nation. Other southern states are in a similar position to Oklahoma. The only states doing better are states like Iowa, Nebraska and North Dakota which are also highly religious states too.

Unemployment figures for June 2009


Emory, Duke and Vanderbilt are all prestigious universities in the south.

Washington and Jefferson are pre-civil war. The South was completely changed after the civil war, and anything before it has little to do with it.

And no, the majority of today's southerners are not descendants of Washington and Jefferson. Their didn't spread their seed all over the south, and even if they did, it wouldn't have meant that the south as smarter for it.

EDIT: I semi-agree with the bolded statement.

 

[timosyy]

Originally posted by: dawheat

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

No, we grasp it just fine, it's the believers that miss the point. We know that the bible is pure fiction, written by control freaks using the "visions" of schizophrenics and recycling the same fairy tales that were used in previous religions.

I can understand the vitrol toward Christians, but I'm always surprised by the anger toward the bible, particularly the New Testament. A historical book that espouses loving your neighbor, treating others with compassion and respect, and living a decent life should be judged on its own merits.

The educated and open-minded among us have learned that.

The irony is thick here.

I hope I remain a person who can respect and understand those of other beliefs - whether it be atheist, agnostic, Christian, Muslim, Buddist, etc, regardless of poor examples of each.

This a million times over, whenever I see a thread about Christianity/The Bible.

Learn to separate the human from the actual teaching. Whenever I see injustice done in the name of religion around the world (this includes such favorite anti-Christian talking points as the Inquisition or Crusades, and a lot of things being done by the modern church, such as the talking heads re: homosexuals and abortion), I find I can't actually fault the Bible or its teachings for it. It's just ... humans being human. Fearful of the things they don't understand, willing to twist the things around them to serve themselves, and always looking to espouse their values or pretend they're better than their neighbors.

 

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: Dumac
Emory and Ga Tech are decent schools that I didn't remember, but they still hold nothing to the West/Northeast.

Just plain wrong. GTech isn't a "decent" school, it's extremely good.

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[Dumac]

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: Dumac
Emory and Ga Tech are decent schools that I didn't remember, but they still hold nothing to the West/Northeast.

Just plain wrong. GTech isn't a "decent" school, it's extremely good.

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Still behind Cal and Mass

I didn't mean "decent" as an insult, btw. I just rarely use words like "extremely good". I would describe MIT as a pretty decent school, or maybe just good. I don't use words like extremely good when describe schools.

Btw, out of the top 7 schools from your list..

4 are from the west
2 are from the Northeast.
only 1 is from the South (GTech is a gem amongst southern technology schools)

 

[Scionix]

As someone from Alabama and a Christian, I find these threads hilarious.

I just love how some people on either side think they are so "enlightened" that the unwashed masses are just below them, if only they could see their superior intellect and reasoning. Please. The debate about the bible and the validity of it's stories is far too complex for an ATOT thread. Also, bashing the south just makes you look ignorant and if anything hurts your case.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282
I'm bored so I decided to debunk some biblical myths today. Anyone is welcome to join in on the debunking!

-Science has provided us with more than enough evidence to debunk the myth that the world was covered in water due to a massive flood. There is no evidence that this event took place. As for Noah collecting every single species on the planet and catering to each of these animals diets for 40 days and 40 nights...LOL

The Great Flood Debunked


-Despite the overwhelming evidence showing that the earth is in fact 4.7 billion years old....a lot of fundies still believe it to be only 5,000. This one easily annoys me the most because this should be common sense. Not only do we have a huge fossil record that stretches over millions of years, we also have evidence from early humans. Here is a sculpture that is dated to be around 32,000 years old.

Lion man

-Now how about the story of Jonah? Surviving inside a fish for 3 days and 3 nights? I don't really need to go further with this one....

-I wonder what would happen to me if I came back from a hike in the mountains telling everyone that God spoke to me and has ordered me to issue his new laws of the land. I would probably be laughed and and thrown into a psych ward. Not Moses though...
He lived in a time where the general populations intellect was actually below that of those in the south today. His experience was so credible that people today still follow what the schizophrenic voices in Moses's head told him thousands of years ago.

Unfortunately if you really knew your subject matter you would know that even those deeply in religious office will profess some of the stories were just that...much like fables are to show morals and consequences for actions.

All that said most that see extreme acrobats still think they are CGI enhanced or done with cables.

It's usually an idiot simply guessing.

 

[coloumb]

Man of wise words [George Carlin]

http://www.rense.com/general69/obj.htm

"Religion. Religion easily has the greatest bullshit story ever told. Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!"

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: Scionix
As someone from Alabama and a Christian, I find these threads hilarious.

I just love how some people on either side think they are so "enlightened" that the unwashed masses are just below them, if only they could see their superior intellect and reasoning. Please. The debate about the bible and the validity of it's stories is far too complex for an ATOT thread. Also, bashing the south just makes you look ignorant and if anything hurts your case.

Woah, another Alabamian....:Q

 

[Scionix]

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: Scionix
As someone from Alabama and a Christian, I find these threads hilarious.

I just love how some people on either side think they are so "enlightened" that the unwashed masses are just below them, if only they could see their superior intellect and reasoning. Please. The debate about the bible and the validity of it's stories is far too complex for an ATOT thread. Also, bashing the south just makes you look ignorant and if anything hurts your case.

Woah, another Alabamian....:Q

There's more than one of us?

Wat

EDIT: I live in Tuscaloosa, btw

 

[tyler811]

Originally posted by: SonnyDaze
This thread is now about waffles.

Wafles waffles waffles where where where

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: coloumb
Man of wise words [George Carlin]

http://www.rense.com/general69/obj.htm

"Religion. Religion easily has the greatest bullshit story ever told. Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!"

Actually it was a cat, but man coveted his cheezburgers so made up the dogma we have today (this is sort of why the word dog is in dogma).

I ain't shitting you: http://www.lolcatbible.com/ind...tle=Ceiling_Cat_Prayer

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: Scionix
As someone from Alabama and a Christian, I find these threads hilarious.

I just love how some people on either side think they are so "enlightened" that the unwashed masses are just below them, if only they could see their superior intellect and reasoning. Please. The debate about the bible and the validity of it's stories is far too complex for an ATOT thread. Also, bashing the south just makes you look ignorant and if anything hurts your case.

Woah, another Alabamian....:Q

yeah at least it's not at the level of Mississippi and Louisiana for nationally known stupidity.

 

[Loop2kil]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282
I'm bored so I decided to debunk some biblical myths today. Anyone is welcome to join in on the debunking!

-Science has provided us with more than enough evidence to debunk the myth that the world was covered in water due to a massive flood. There is no evidence that this event took place. As for Noah collecting every single species on the planet and catering to each of these animals diets for 40 days and 40 nights...LOL

Your logic is flawed. You are thinking like a person in this century rather than someone in the time when that was written.

If I kept you in a 8 x 10 cell from the time you were born and told you there was nothing more just this room, and then filled it up with water and you almost drowned. You too would think that the world had flooded.

World has different meanings depending on the year you are talking about.



Something people, especially on this forum, cannot seem to grasp. Stop reading the bible and comparing it to modern day science. It was not written now so why should things in it be judged on what we know now. Put yourself in the place of the people that wrote the bible, with only what they knew at the time and the bible starts to make a whole lot of sense.

People often debunk genesis, saying God couldn't create everything . Picture yourself 4000 years ago with what they knew. Now describe how the universe was created . I can't wait to see the replies.

Could not have said it better myself...Nice to see someone with a real brain and ability to think outside the box. Anyone remember the explorers...the locals thought they were all crazy for wanting to sail away, they thought the world was flat even ~1500 years A.D. and thought they would fall off the edge of the 'world.' So go back to the time of Noah and the 'World' was even smaller.

 

[4537256]

"Those without an open mind are doomed to ignorance"

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: Dumac

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282
I'm bored so I decided to debunk some biblical myths today. Anyone is welcome to join in on the debunking!

-Science has provided us with more than enough evidence to debunk the myth that the world was covered in water due to a massive flood. There is no evidence that this event took place. As for Noah collecting every single species on the planet and catering to each of these animals diets for 40 days and 40 nights...LOL

The Great Flood Debunked


-Despite the overwhelming evidence showing that the earth is in fact 4.7 billion years old....a lot of fundies still believe it to be only 5,000. This one easily annoys me the most because this should be common sense. Not only do we have a huge fossil record that stretches over millions of years, we also have evidence from early humans. Here is a sculpture that is dated to be around 32,000 years old.

Lion man

-Now how about the story of Jonah? Surviving inside a fish for 3 days and 3 nights? I don't really need to go further with this one....

-I wonder what would happen to me if I came back from a hike in the mountains telling everyone that God spoke to me and has ordered me to issue his new laws of the land. I would probably be laughed and and thrown into a psych ward. Not Moses though...
He lived in a time where the general populations intellect was actually below that of those in the south today. His experience was so credible that people today still follow what the schizophrenic voices in Moses's head told him thousands of years ago.

You are a pretty skilled troll. You throw out a unrelated bit of bait too.

Do you really think that people in the south are actually significantly stupider than those in other areas of the nation? If so, you need to stop jerking yourself off with disillusion.

Yes. I've lived in Florida for 6 years now. Resounding yes. moving back north next month. You can keep the hicks for yourself.

 

[SunSamurai]

The only myth this thread seemed to debunk was the one about the OP having a functioning brain.


Myth busted, bro. Myth busted. ... Dont MAKE me get the 500lb of explosives!

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: Modelworks
The people that study the bible don't take it literally. They know that it is about the lessons and ideas rather than literally believing angels are some winged beings hovering above us.

Well, good for them. They'd strike me as being in the majority. Many who've cared to argue this cray with me say that it is "the word of God." Some go so far as to say that it was directly inspired from God, through the minds of those who wrote it.

If you had superior knowledge 4000 years ago, how would you explain things to those people in ways they understand ? Would you start telling them about atoms, and matter, and physics ? Of course not. It would be like me or you trying to tell a 1 year old how to do calculus.

They're still people, very little different than us. It's not like God would have had a time limit - "Quick, teach these people about the creation of the entire Universe. And God, you've got to have it done by 5pm, or you're FIRED!" He had all the time in the world to teach anyone about anything.
So what then, was he too busy? Did he have a deadline that prevented him from teaching them anything? Or did he have to do it in a quick, hazy vision, which could also have been formed by a drug-induced hallucination?

I can teach that 1 year old calculus, but it's going to take a long time, and he won't be 1 year old by the time I'm done.


Yeah, the Bible has useful teachings in it. So does a phone book, but we don't worship the electrons that carry our communications.
Teach lessons, fine. But do away with the fluff of the deity and "sinful this-and-that" junk.
Let the egg tooth fall off, let's start to acknowledge that we're doing things on our own for a change.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Originally posted by: Modelworks

If you had superior knowledge 4000 years ago, how would you explain things to those people in ways they understand ? Would you start telling them about atoms, and matter, and physics ? Of course not. It would be like me or you trying to tell a 1 year old how to do calculus.

They're still people, very little different than us. It's not like God would have had a time limit - "Quick, teach these people about the creation of the entire Universe. And God, you've got to have it done by 5pm, or you're FIRED!" He had all the time in the world to teach anyone about anything.

Unless he wanted man to develop on his own and not be told everything. Look in the bible at the times when God intervened , not the times that were trumped up to him by the church, but the actual events that are taken to be direct actions by God. Almost every one of them was taken with the stance that man had gone too far, or devolved to the point beyond recovery. To me it reads like someone who helps a child get its first steps then once the child is walking lets them make their own decisions.

I really do believe that we were originally created but then corrupted by something/satan/devil or whatever you want to call it and that God rather than destroy humanity decided to give us a chance to see if we can evolve into something better. I don't follow any organized religion, but I find it unlikely that we are here on the Earth because of some random comets bringing the building blocks of life to a hunk of rock. I think it all fits together too well , everything from the Earth being at the just the right distance from the sun, to DNA, for it all just to be accidental.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: Dumac

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282
I'm bored so I decided to debunk some biblical myths today. Anyone is welcome to join in on the debunking!

-Science has provided us with more than enough evidence to debunk the myth that the world was covered in water due to a massive flood. There is no evidence that this event took place. As for Noah collecting every single species on the planet and catering to each of these animals diets for 40 days and 40 nights...LOL

The Great Flood Debunked


-Despite the overwhelming evidence showing that the earth is in fact 4.7 billion years old....a lot of fundies still believe it to be only 5,000. This one easily annoys me the most because this should be common sense. Not only do we have a huge fossil record that stretches over millions of years, we also have evidence from early humans. Here is a sculpture that is dated to be around 32,000 years old.

Lion man

-Now how about the story of Jonah? Surviving inside a fish for 3 days and 3 nights? I don't really need to go further with this one....

-I wonder what would happen to me if I came back from a hike in the mountains telling everyone that God spoke to me and has ordered me to issue his new laws of the land. I would probably be laughed and and thrown into a psych ward. Not Moses though...
He lived in a time where the general populations intellect was actually below that of those in the south today. His experience was so credible that people today still follow what the schizophrenic voices in Moses's head told him thousands of years ago.

You are a pretty skilled troll. You throw out a unrelated bit of bait too.

Do you really think that people in the south are actually significantly stupider than those in other areas of the nation? If so, you need to stop jerking yourself off with disillusion.

Yes. I've lived in Florida for 6 years now. Resounding yes. moving back north next month. You can keep the hicks for yourself.

Unless you are talking about the coastal areas.