Depends on how you mark the end of the product's life. Atari 2600 lasted 14 years before it was discontinued. NES lasted 12 years. SNK made games for the Neo Geo for 14 years, but they stopped selling the consoles before that.
Originally posted by: Oyeve
I am amazed at the PS2 still selling! Its has GOT to be the longest running console ever. At least Sony got that right.
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: Oyeve
I am amazed at the PS2 still selling! Its has GOT to be the longest running console ever. At least Sony got that right.
Depends on how you mark the end of the product's life. Atari 2600 lasted 14 years before it was discontinued. NES lasted 12 years. SNK made games for the Neo Geo for 14 years, but they stopped selling the consoles before that.
Originally posted by: Queasy
Gamasutra has the top 20 software sales.
Wii has 9 games in the top 20.
DS has 4 games in the top 20.
Xbox 360 has 5 games in the top 20.
PS3 has 1 game in the top 20.
PS2 has 1 game in the top 20.
Originally posted by: ducci
Mortal Kombat outsold Little Big Planet. For the 360, looks like Fable 2 didn't do nearly as well as they hoped.
Originally posted by: erwos
1.44m 360s? Someone at Microsoft must be doing a happy dance. At this rate, they may very well catch up to the Wii by holiday 2010.
And, FWIW, I don't think 726k PS3s is all that bad a number, especially given the pricing differential.
Originally posted by: Indolent
Originally posted by: erwos
1.44m 360s? Someone at Microsoft must be doing a happy dance. At this rate, they may very well catch up to the Wii by holiday 2010.
And, FWIW, I don't think 726k PS3s is all that bad a number, especially given the pricing differential.
Wii 2.15M
X360 1.44M
Huh?
You're thinking total consoles sold. I meant in terms of quarter-to-quarter market share.Originally posted by: Indolent
Originally posted by: erwos
1.44m 360s? Someone at Microsoft must be doing a happy dance. At this rate, they may very well catch up to the Wii by holiday 2010.
And, FWIW, I don't think 726k PS3s is all that bad a number, especially given the pricing differential.
Wii 2.15M
X360 1.44M
Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Originally posted by: tk149
Originally posted by: kookie0326
The price is just killing the PS3, killing it dead. People can't just shell out $400 in this economic environment. Something sure needs to change if they want to sell more units.
I really wonder why Sony doesn't seem to realize this.
They cared more about their margins this holiday season than sales, if they're even at break even yet on unit cost.
Sony will eventually drop it sometime this year...the big question is, will MS drop the 360 even lower than it's at now? (Which I suspect, they definitely will)
Originally posted by: nsafreak
Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Originally posted by: tk149
Originally posted by: kookie0326
The price is just killing the PS3, killing it dead. People can't just shell out $400 in this economic environment. Something sure needs to change if they want to sell more units.
I really wonder why Sony doesn't seem to realize this.
They cared more about their margins this holiday season than sales, if they're even at break even yet on unit cost.
Sony will eventually drop it sometime this year...the big question is, will MS drop the 360 even lower than it's at now? (Which I suspect, they definitely will)
Oh I can pretty much guarantee you that if Sony lowers the price on the PS3 then MS will lower the price on the 360 for a few reasons. One is that while MS is selling the 360 at a loss they are not selling it at as much of a loss as Sony sells the PS3 for. Hell with the cost of hardware coming down (for both platforms) it may well be that MS may even break even on each 360 sale (currently) which would be a great state of affairs for them. The other is that MS is doing fairly well in the other areas of their company. Probably one of the most notable areas is the operating system area. Windows 7 beta was recently released to the public and lots of reviewers are giving it a good deal of praise, saying this is what Vista should have been. Yes it will lose them some Vista sales but with the good press that has been generated for it so far there's a very good chance that when they release Windows 7 later this year there will be a fair amount of people ready to purchase it and it will likely hit right around during the holiday season.
People kinda forget how corporate finance works, so here goes: Microsoft took the billion dollar hit all at once, so it's basically irrelevant to them in terms of the 360 being profitable beyond the quarter they took the charge in.Originally posted by: herkulease
Originally posted by: nsafreak
Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Originally posted by: tk149
Originally posted by: kookie0326
The price is just killing the PS3, killing it dead. People can't just shell out $400 in this economic environment. Something sure needs to change if they want to sell more units.
I really wonder why Sony doesn't seem to realize this.
They cared more about their margins this holiday season than sales, if they're even at break even yet on unit cost.
Sony will eventually drop it sometime this year...the big question is, will MS drop the 360 even lower than it's at now? (Which I suspect, they definitely will)
Oh I can pretty much guarantee you that if Sony lowers the price on the PS3 then MS will lower the price on the 360 for a few reasons. One is that while MS is selling the 360 at a loss they are not selling it at as much of a loss as Sony sells the PS3 for. Hell with the cost of hardware coming down (for both platforms) it may well be that MS may even break even on each 360 sale (currently) which would be a great state of affairs for them. The other is that MS is doing fairly well in the other areas of their company. Probably one of the most notable areas is the operating system area. Windows 7 beta was recently released to the public and lots of reviewers are giving it a good deal of praise, saying this is what Vista should have been. Yes it will lose them some Vista sales but with the good press that has been generated for it so far there's a very good chance that when they release Windows 7 later this year there will be a fair amount of people ready to purchase it and it will likely hit right around during the holiday season.
I seen this come up in the last few days. why do some people assume microsoft won't lower in response. Microsoft has oodles of money thanks to Windows and Office. Nothing prints money like those two. Nintendo has nothing on Microsoft for the DS and Wii in terms of printing money. Sony on the other hand is having money issues and can't seriously get into a price war with microsoft.
Reportedly Microsoft has already been making a profit on the 360 for the past year now. Of course if you factor in the billion dollar warranty charge they took they probably still lose a bit.
Originally posted by: ducci
I have a theory that instead of another 360 price drop, they will simply include a year's subscription to Xbox Live Gold (a $50 value!).
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: ducci
I have a theory that instead of another 360 price drop, they will simply include a year's subscription to Xbox Live Gold (a $50 value!).
I honestly think a $30 price drop would help more than adding $50 of value.
Originally posted by: kookie0326
The price is just killing the PS3, killing it dead. People can't just shell out $400 in this economic environment. Something sure needs to change if they want to sell more units.
Originally posted by: ducci
But a big pro-PS3 argument has been "free online play". I don't see why Microsoft wouldn't bundle a new console with "free online play..... for a year" to stay competitive.
Especially when they are making a pretty substantial profit on Live as compared to hardware.
Originally posted by: blurredvision
Originally posted by: ducci
But a big pro-PS3 argument has been "free online play". I don't see why Microsoft wouldn't bundle a new console with "free online play..... for a year" to stay competitive.
Especially when they are making a pretty substantial profit on Live as compared to hardware.
Your second paragraph answers the first. They make a tidy sum from Live subs, and the fact that they charge for online multiplayer isn't hurting them in sales whatsoever compared to the PS3.
Originally posted by: blurredvision
Originally posted by: ducci
Mortal Kombat outsold Little Big Planet. For the 360, looks like Fable 2 didn't do nearly as well as they hoped.
Well, Fable 2 sold a shitload in it's first month, so I'm not too surprised it is where it's at for December. The more interesting thing I saw was Prince of Persia in 10th place, when it released at the beginning of December.
Originally posted by: UpgradeFailure
Originally posted by: blurredvision
Originally posted by: ducci
Mortal Kombat outsold Little Big Planet. For the 360, looks like Fable 2 didn't do nearly as well as they hoped.
Well, Fable 2 sold a shitload in it's first month, so I'm not too surprised it is where it's at for December. The more interesting thing I saw was Prince of Persia in 10th place, when it released at the beginning of December.
Do you know how many copies it sold? I was expecting it on the top 10 list, not just the top 10 360 games.
Originally posted by: ducci
Originally posted by: UpgradeFailure
Originally posted by: blurredvision
Originally posted by: ducci
Mortal Kombat outsold Little Big Planet. For the 360, looks like Fable 2 didn't do nearly as well as they hoped.
Well, Fable 2 sold a shitload in it's first month, so I'm not too surprised it is where it's at for December. The more interesting thing I saw was Prince of Persia in 10th place, when it released at the beginning of December.
Do you know how many copies it sold? I was expecting it on the top 10 list, not just the top 10 360 games.
In the US, Fable II sold 790K copies in the October it was released (released the 21st, so that's a week and a half of sales).
Since then, though, it has not broken 300K units/month.
It's probably around 2 million sold worldwide.
Originally posted by: UpgradeFailure
Oh sorry, I was talking about prince of persia
Originally posted by: ducci
Originally posted by: blurredvision
Originally posted by: ducci
But a big pro-PS3 argument has been "free online play". I don't see why Microsoft wouldn't bundle a new console with "free online play..... for a year" to stay competitive.
Especially when they are making a pretty substantial profit on Live as compared to hardware.
Your second paragraph answers the first. They make a tidy sum from Live subs, and the fact that they charge for online multiplayer isn't hurting them in sales whatsoever compared to the PS3.
How does it?
Everyone who buys a 360 does not have a Live account. Everyone who has a Live account already has a 360.
Instead of continually lowering the borderline profitable price of the hardware, they could stimulate hardware sales by packaging in their profitable software. I also think "free multiplayer" is a pretty substantial bullet-point to have on the box (even with the "for one year" subtext), and you're under-estimating how much that helps the PSN.
Again, just a theory. I also theorized that an official Live subscription price drop was coming. These buy.com and amazon.com $30 Live "deals" as of late leads me to be even more suspicious of this.
Perhaps a Live bundle for the E3 crowd, and then an official price drop come Holiday season?
I am certain Microsoft wants people to have months remaining on their accounts by the time the new consoles come around - it will make the 360-to-720? transition far more logical.