Defending the PS3

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: BunLengthHotDog
Initial Holiday Sales numbers are out. In the traditional console market, 360 took overall sales numbers, Wii a close 2nd, and PS3 was third.

Sales Numbers

Sales Numbers 2

360 = 2 Million
Wii = 1.8 Million
PS3 = 750,000

Wii killed all those who entered its' path on units sold / day, 360 takes the crown for overall sales. PS3 can surely look forward to better sales in 2007

how long was the 'holiday period'? start november 1, i guess?

and that is about twice as many PS3s as they were producing, i thought?

edit: november sales data:

Looking at how the new Sony and Nintendo consoles fared, the Wii sold through 476K units in the U.S. while the PS3 sold 197K units. Meanwhile, Microsoft's Xbox 360 (which is in far greater supply) sold 511K units. Interestingly, the PS2 managed to outsell the Xbox 360 yet again. In fact, so did the old Game Boy. The PS2 and Game Boy sold a respective 664K and 641K units. Sony's PSP managed to sell 412K units. But the real winner continues to be the Nintendo DS, which sold a whopping 918K units.

 

[randay]

Originally posted by: fs5

you said it yourself twice, it's been out for less than 2 months. And right now, at this point, XBL is much better.

Personally, I don't expect a 2 month old console to debut with 1 years worth of games and content.

The gamer cards I'm talking about these
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/myxbox/mygamercard.htm

It tracks your achievements online from ALL your games in one place. From what I've seen on the PSN, it doesn't have anything like this just yet. Having this makes XBL feel like a live place where you're playing with a bunch of people.

The PSN doesn't even feel like a network at this point. All it is, is a store and each game separately connects.

Im going to need more detailed comparisons then that. I had no problems playing with other people in Resistance, I could find and join 40 player games easily, also in GT HD I can check out lap times and scores for hundreds of top players, even watch thier replays to see how good they really are. In fact, Resistance has a full complement of online features, ranking, stats, and clans. If the only difference between free and 50 dollars is having all your game stats lumped into one place, vs having individual rankings Ill take the free system anyday. For some reason I don't think this is the case and I bet PSN has a lot of great features and potential. I haven't had the chance to mess with it because none of my close friends have a PS3 yet. I know there are some people on ATOT who gave out thier IDs, perhaps they could shed some light on PSN.

 

[atybimf]

I :heart: my PS3

Resistance: Fall of Man online brings me back to my Halo 2 days on XBL

 

[TanisHalfElven]

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: tanishalfelven

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: tanishalfelven

Originally posted by: michaels

Originally posted by: RGUN

Originally posted by: michaels
Gt was my sole reason to own a PS2, then along came Forza, I then sold my PS2. It's sad when a part 1 of a series brings more to the table than a part 4.

Lol, quite possibly the stupidest thing Ive ever read on here. So you're saying Forza shouldnt have learned from its competitors and should have made a game equivalent to the first GT and worked up from there?

I think you are misunderstanding me. Forza is superior to all of the GT's.

indeed. i hate the on rails GT ai. and the 2d physics. and the no damage. how can a sim be a sim if you can bash the card headlong into a wall at 200+ mph and have no damage AT ALL.

2d physics? what exactly are you on about?

cars always stay in the same plane. no matter what you do they never ever get even one wheel off the ground.

Not true(anymore?) I don't perfectly remember all previous versions, but I do remember being able to have the cars wheels leave the track, and I do remember in gt3 there was the escudo bug. In GT HD there is a jump where your car leaves the pavement entirely. Contrary to the rumors early on, GT HD is not just a fancied up version of GT4, the physics have changed(improved?) quite a bit.

Perhaps you are referring to the inability to roll the car, I think that is a licensing issue, same reason why there is no damage. This is changing though, there will be damage in GT5.

i have only played till GT4. thats what forza 1 competed against.

 

[50cent1228]

i have a wii and my 360 is being repaired right now sooo...its all good

 

[50cent1228]

Originally posted by: fs5

Originally posted by: michaels
I own a 360 and a PS3 so I have no fanboy bias, the 360 is a superior machine for the money.

If I didn't love Final Fantasy and GT so much I would've bought a 360.

thats the reason why i decided not to wait for the ps3 b/c i don't really care for the ff and kh series and those are the only 2 big franchises the makes the ps3 special otherwise the 360 has all the rest of its games

 

[Slacker]

I just watched my son play Resistance for a couple of hours... :shocked: really great looking game.

I have it hooked up via HDMI>DVI on a 48" widescreen that converts all inputs to 1080i

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: randay
Im going to need more detailed comparisons then that. I had no problems playing with other people in Resistance, I could find and join 40 player games easily, also in GT HD I can check out lap times and scores for hundreds of top players, even watch thier replays to see how good they really are. In fact, Resistance has a full complement of online features, ranking, stats, and clans. If the only difference between free and 50 dollars is having all your game stats lumped into one place, vs having individual rankings Ill take the free system anyday. For some reason I don't think this is the case and I bet PSN has a lot of great features and potential. I haven't had the chance to mess with it because none of my close friends have a PS3 yet. I know there are some people on ATOT who gave out thier IDs, perhaps they could shed some light on PSN.

Current problems with PSN:
1) Online libraries aren't built-up enough and shared with all developers in a consistent fashion. That's why you can have a game like Resistance shine (through the efforts of the developer working closely with Sony) and then have other games with no online component at all or have been delayed while the developer struggles with the online component.
2) Friends lists aren't universal across every game.
3) Friends can't contact you while you are in game and you can't contact them.
4) Reporting of bad online behavior is up to the individual game.
5) Online store is slow.

 

[Mo0o]

It goes down to how much you like FF, GT and MGS because otherwise xbox360 has a much better game library, with even better games lined up, in comparison to PS3

 

[mlm]

Originally posted by: Queasy
5) Online store is slow.

That's definitely YMMV. All of our downloads have gone very fast, even when we downloaded GTHD the day after the launch.

 

[QED]

I recently found myself deciding between the $400 xbox360 and the $600 ps3. At the time I only had an xbox with only a meager collection of games, so I wasn't tied to either platform... I ended up going with a PS3.

At first, the xbox360 seems to win on price alone-- but after you add $100 for a wireless adapter and $200 for a HD-DVD player you actually spend more for a comparable xbox360 system then you would for a PS3. That, and the fact that the PS3 was built to be Linux-capable, were the things that swayed me the most...

My main concern right now is lack of games-- not necessarily because there is not much to play right now (there isn't-- but I know that will change with time)-- but mostly because since every PS3 game is a "new release" they are all $60+... whereas xbox360 has loads of games to be found at every video game store for $30 or less.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: QED
I recently found myself deciding between the $400 xbox360 and the $600 ps3. At the time I only had an xbox with only a meager collection of games, so I wasn't tied to either platform... I ended up going with a PS3.

At first, the xbox360 seems to win on price alone-- but after you add $100 for a wireless adapter and $200 for a HD-DVD player you actually spend more for a comparable xbox360 system then you would for a PS3. That, and the fact that the PS3 was built to be Linux-capable, were the things that swayed me the most...

My main concern right now is lack of games-- not necessarily because there is not much to play right now (there isn't-- but I know that will change with time)-- but mostly because since every PS3 game is a "new release" they are all $60+... whereas xbox360 has loads of games to be found at every video game store for $30 or less.

I've always wondered this so I will just ask you since you used it as a reason to buy the system.

Why is Linux important?

 

[QED]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: QED
I recently found myself deciding between the $400 xbox360 and the $600 ps3. At the time I only had an xbox with only a meager collection of games, so I wasn't tied to either platform... I ended up going with a PS3.

At first, the xbox360 seems to win on price alone-- but after you add $100 for a wireless adapter and $200 for a HD-DVD player you actually spend more for a comparable xbox360 system then you would for a PS3. That, and the fact that the PS3 was built to be Linux-capable, were the things that swayed me the most...

My main concern right now is lack of games-- not necessarily because there is not much to play right now (there isn't-- but I know that will change with time)-- but mostly because since every PS3 game is a "new release" they are all $60+... whereas xbox360 has loads of games to be found at every video game store for $30 or less.

I've always wondered this so I will just ask you since you used it as a reason to buy the system.

Why is Linux important?

It was a deciding factor for me since I originally had thoughts of putting an HTPC and xbox360 downstairs in the living room, and now the PS3 can handle both chores.

Plus, with Linux running on the PS3 I can run pretty much whatever opensource app I want on the hardware and not be limited to what Microsoft or someone else says I can.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: QED

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: QED
I recently found myself deciding between the $400 xbox360 and the $600 ps3. At the time I only had an xbox with only a meager collection of games, so I wasn't tied to either platform... I ended up going with a PS3.

At first, the xbox360 seems to win on price alone-- but after you add $100 for a wireless adapter and $200 for a HD-DVD player you actually spend more for a comparable xbox360 system then you would for a PS3. That, and the fact that the PS3 was built to be Linux-capable, were the things that swayed me the most...

My main concern right now is lack of games-- not necessarily because there is not much to play right now (there isn't-- but I know that will change with time)-- but mostly because since every PS3 game is a "new release" they are all $60+... whereas xbox360 has loads of games to be found at every video game store for $30 or less.

I've always wondered this so I will just ask you since you used it as a reason to buy the system.

Why is Linux important?

It was a deciding factor for me since I originally had thoughts of putting an HTPC and xbox360 downstairs in the living room, and now the PS3 can handle both chores.

Plus, with Linux running on the PS3 I can run pretty much whatever opensource app I want on the hardware and not be limited to what Microsoft or someone else says I can.

What app would you want to run on a PS3 in your living room?

 

[Legend]

Originally posted by: loup garou

Originally posted by: fs5
still, I think if the PS3 had enough supply (or if best-buy didn't HORDE them), it could've done much better. Shortage of supply really hurt the initial launch.

I guess all those people who really, really wanted PS3s at launch have forgotten about them, because they're rotting on the shelves now.

True to an extent. You're exaggerating though. I saw 1 at Target a week ago, and 4 at Best Buy today. But I do think PS3 is going to under perform in sales until they lower the price. It's $600, and you have to buy an expensive HDTV to really get the full performance.

Nintendo's got to make more games because the fad tide that it's running on isn't going to last forever. Shouldn't be too hard considering Nintendo's already go gamecube game engines that can be tweaked for development of Wii games, but then again Nintendo takes forever to make games sometimes.

Overall, I think the consumer wins this generation. There's going to be heavy competition between all 3 hardware suppliers. Lots of nice exclusives. Just sucks that you have to buy all 3.

 

[QED]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: QED

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: QED
I recently found myself deciding between the $400 xbox360 and the $600 ps3. At the time I only had an xbox with only a meager collection of games, so I wasn't tied to either platform... I ended up going with a PS3.

At first, the xbox360 seems to win on price alone-- but after you add $100 for a wireless adapter and $200 for a HD-DVD player you actually spend more for a comparable xbox360 system then you would for a PS3. That, and the fact that the PS3 was built to be Linux-capable, were the things that swayed me the most...

My main concern right now is lack of games-- not necessarily because there is not much to play right now (there isn't-- but I know that will change with time)-- but mostly because since every PS3 game is a "new release" they are all $60+... whereas xbox360 has loads of games to be found at every video game store for $30 or less.

I've always wondered this so I will just ask you since you used it as a reason to buy the system.

Why is Linux important?

It was a deciding factor for me since I originally had thoughts of putting an HTPC and xbox360 downstairs in the living room, and now the PS3 can handle both chores.

Plus, with Linux running on the PS3 I can run pretty much whatever opensource app I want on the hardware and not be limited to what Microsoft or someone else says I can.

What app would you want to run on a PS3 in your living room?

Mostly VLC--- for playing captured hi-def shows (I have tons of old episodes of 24, House, The Office, and a few football games).

Maybe a little MAME for some old-school arcade action.

VNC for connecting to work without having to fire up my PC...

Also a little xfire or xaquarium or stellaris for eye candy when company is over...

 

[everman]

I'll wait until the next three Final fantasy games are on it, then I'll bite. (I believe the next three are a kind of trilogy, exclusive to ps3?)

 

[lupi]

Overall, I think the consumer wins this generation. There's going to be heavy competition between all 3 hardware suppliers. Lots of nice exclusives. Just sucks that you have to buy all 3.

But with the price of hardware going up, do you think the software makers are going to want to stay exclusive or that the hardware vendors want to keep giving out lower cost licenses for the exclusivity.

 

[randay]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: randay
Im going to need more detailed comparisons then that. I had no problems playing with other people in Resistance, I could find and join 40 player games easily, also in GT HD I can check out lap times and scores for hundreds of top players, even watch thier replays to see how good they really are. In fact, Resistance has a full complement of online features, ranking, stats, and clans. If the only difference between free and 50 dollars is having all your game stats lumped into one place, vs having individual rankings Ill take the free system anyday. For some reason I don't think this is the case and I bet PSN has a lot of great features and potential. I haven't had the chance to mess with it because none of my close friends have a PS3 yet. I know there are some people on ATOT who gave out thier IDs, perhaps they could shed some light on PSN.

Current problems with PSN:
1) Online libraries aren't built-up enough and shared with all developers in a consistent fashion. That's why you can have a game like Resistance shine (through the efforts of the developer working closely with Sony) and then have other games with no online component at all or have been delayed while the developer struggles with the online component.
2) Friends lists aren't universal across every game.
3) Friends can't contact you while you are in game and you can't contact them.
4) Reporting of bad online behavior is up to the individual game.
5) Online store is slow.

These are all things that are acceptable for the $0 price tag. These are also things that have been true for PC games for years, I have no problem with them.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: mlm

Originally posted by: Queasy
5) Online store is slow.

That's definitely YMMV. All of our downloads have gone very fast, even when we downloaded GTHD the day after the launch.

Not talking about the speed of the downloads. Talking about moving around in the online store.

But now that you mention it...not being able to do anything else while you are downloading. MS fixed this with the Spring Update. You'd think Sony would have learned for the launch.

 

[rocadelpunk]

I didn't really care for v for vendetta in high def dvd...you can now see how fake the backgrounds look, kinda kills the movie somewhat.

I hope not all movies will suffer same fate.

 

[rocadelpunk]

bump, i always kill threads.

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: fs5

Originally posted by: Amol
You know why people pay for XBL? Because it doesn't suck like Sony's online play.

When they unleashed a console more expensive than my first computer!

lets just give it time, Sony is behind with online play that's for sure. Microsoft has a 1 gen head start but Sony's pockets are just as deep as Microsoft's. ( at least I think )

And like I said, you're getting a blu-ray player and a console. Same price as 360 + HD-DVD combo.

If you think for 1 second Sony is in the same league with M$ even corporate wise you have another thing coming..

Bill Gates has enough money to buy the entire Sony Corp over 10x....

360 and Vista and Zune could fail and Bill and M$ would keep on trucking like nothing ever happened..

 

[Gulzakar]

Ps3 doesn't upconvert regular DVD's, correct?

As for the game upconverting... my old 480p xbox games look awesome at 720p. Luckily, all the games I have, save one, are supported.

It's true that when you add in the optional accesories the xbox will be as much as the ps3, BUT, I'd rather have a stand alone HD DVD player that upconverts my old media. Not to mention any wireless bridge will work on the 360. In the end, the 360 gave me more options by giving me less. I didn't need to buy anything else. I don't need blu-ray, wireless (I'm wired in), HDMI ( I don't buy into it's "superiority"), or the price tag.

As far as a media center? I stream music from my PC...why do I need oodles of HD space? I don't keep demos forever, I don't intend to store a whole lot on the HD except for my game saves.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Gulzakar
As far as a media center? I stream music from my PC...why do I need oodles of HD space? I don't keep demos forever, I don't intend to store a whole lot on the HD except for my game saves.

I agreed with this until MS started selling Movies and TV shows through live. The HDD isn't big enough now. You can work around it by re-downloading the TV Shows you purchased (they are tied to your Gamertag for life) but it is still inconvenient.