Denver legalizes marijuana!

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: loic2003
I was suprised, but the police are trained to use their brains/discretion (at least over here in the UK, I daresay that if the same happened in the US and the chap had been black, he'd probably have been arrested/shot).

Yeah, that extreme discretion in the UK just lets the cops guns down Brazilians with backpacks. :roll:

 

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: loic2003
I was suprised, but the police are trained to use their brains/discretion (at least over here in the UK, I daresay that if the same happened in the US and the chap had been black, he'd probably have been arrested/shot).

Yeah, that extreme discretion in the UK just lets the cops guns down Brazilians with backpacks. :roll:

:thumbsup:

 

[DarkKnight69]

Originally posted by: DingDingDao

Originally posted by: ThePresence
They can't reverse federal law witha local election, so it's almost meaningless, I think. Am I wrong?

You're thinking along the same lines as me...how exactly will this work? If I see a city cop, I don't have to worry, but if I see a state trooper or something, I need to run?

yup, that is correct

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Personal Freedom?

:roll:

Under "personal freedom" people should be able to use cocaine or heroin.....IN THEIR OWN HOMES. Right? They're aren't hurting anybody.

Pointing to personal freedom like some kind of ideal is extremeist and stupid. There need to be limits. The country has banned pot. Has made tobacco a huge hassle to go out of your way to smoke. Tried to ban alcohol and the repercussions were worse than just making it legal. The repercussions for banning pot are a bunch of pissed off hippies in panchos sitting around trying to come up with something herb related that rhyhms with Cheney for their next picket sign.

 

[geno]

Originally posted by: archcommus
I'm amazed so many people are thrilled by this, is this thread filled with a bunch of druggies?

I'm not, I don't even smoke, but I can appreciate that something so hypocritically illegal is becoming more acceptable.

 

[Stifko]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Personal Freedom?

:roll:

Under "personal freedom" people should be able to use cocaine or heroin.....IN THEIR OWN HOMES. Right? They're aren't hurting anybody.

Pointing to personal freedom like some kind of ideal is extremeist and stupid. There need to be limits. The country has banned pot. Has made tobacco a huge hassle to go out of your way to smoke. Tried to ban alcohol and the repercussions were worse than just making it legal. The repercussions for banning pot are a bunch of pissed off hippies in panchos sitting around trying to come up with something herb related that rhyhms with Cheney for their next picket sign.

I think it help to know why herb was banned in the first place. It helps in the sense you can maybe realize what selfish and outdated reasons were used to ban it. The cotton industry was worried about hemp killing their business back like 100 years ago. Hemp is a stronger fiber and ages better than cotton. Stemming from the concerns of powerfull cotton industry leaders, hemp was banned. It had nothing to do w/smoking it. Please someone correct me if I am wrong.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Personal Freedom?

:roll:

Under "personal freedom" people should be able to use cocaine or heroin.....IN THEIR OWN HOMES. Right? They're aren't hurting anybody.

Uhhh, yes. Why do you care what somebody does in their own home? How is it hurting you?

Pointing to personal freedom like some kind of ideal is extremeist and stupid. There need to be limits.

Zieg heil mein Fuhrer!

The country has banned pot. Has made tobacco a huge hassle to go out of your way to smoke. Tried to ban alcohol and the repercussions were worse than just making it legal. The repercussions for banning pot are a bunch of pissed off hippies in panchos sitting around trying to come up with something herb related that rhyhms with Cheney for their next picket sign.

So more than 50% of Denver is pissed off hippies? Amazing, how do they get anything done in that town?

You and your fascist attitude can go to hell.

 

[MaxDSP]

Chicago should be next <crossing fingers>

 

[MaxDSP]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Personal Freedom?

:roll:

Under "personal freedom" people should be able to use cocaine or heroin.....IN THEIR OWN HOMES. Right? They're aren't hurting anybody.

Pointing to personal freedom like some kind of ideal is extremeist and stupid. There need to be limits. The country has banned pot. Has made tobacco a huge hassle to go out of your way to smoke. Tried to ban alcohol and the repercussions were worse than just making it legal. The repercussions for banning pot are a bunch of pissed off hippies in panchos sitting around trying to come up with something herb related that rhyhms with Cheney for their next picket sign.

I have no idea wtf you're trying to say. Try to form a rational paragraph and then come "debate"

 

[loup garou]

:thumbsup:

 

[A5]

Originally posted by: MaxDSP


Chicago should be next <crossing fingers>

As has been pointed out, you'd still get arrested under state and federal possession laws. It wouldn't do you any good.

 

[shibumi77]

"I'm amazed so many people are thrilled by this, is this thread filled with a bunch of druggies? "

Umm, yeah, lest we not forget the dumbass senators who wanted garlic to be classified as a "drug" and requiring a doctors prescription if used for theraputic reasons, all in the name of regulating everything to death in "our best interests".

The war on holistic medicine is still being waged, backed by the lackey's of the AMA, because they know what is best for everyone.

Following their logic refined sugar should be right up there with crack.

Food for thought.

And for anyone who has seen the effects of cancer and how beneficial THC pills or medicinal majijuana has been, they certainly know more truth than most so call public figures.

Rock on Colorado!

 

[secretanchitman]

yup, im moving to denver when i grow up.

jk jk!

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: DarkKnight69

Originally posted by: DingDingDao

Originally posted by: ThePresence
They can't reverse federal law witha local election, so it's almost meaningless, I think. Am I wrong?

You're thinking along the same lines as me...how exactly will this work? If I see a city cop, I don't have to worry, but if I see a state trooper or something, I need to run?

yup, that is correct

Local police take no hand in enforcing state law?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Personal Freedom?

:roll:

Under "personal freedom" people should be able to use cocaine or heroin.....IN THEIR OWN HOMES. Right? They're aren't hurting anybody.

Pointing to personal freedom like some kind of ideal is extremeist and stupid. There need to be limits. The country has banned pot. Has made tobacco a huge hassle to go out of your way to smoke. Tried to ban alcohol and the repercussions were worse than just making it legal. The repercussions for banning pot are a bunch of pissed off hippies in panchos sitting around trying to come up with something herb related that rhyhms with Cheney for their next picket sign.

Yes, people should be able to use cocaine and heroin in their own homes. All the drug laws should be repealed as the intrusion of personal freedoms that they certainly are. The hyprocrisy of the drug laws is an offense to the morals of our free nation.

Once again, your argument in favor of prohibition is that you have no argument. It's simply not your business.
My argument, as always, is that I am not necessarily pro-drug (as I don't use), but that I am anti-prohibition. More specifically, I am anti- moralistic busybody oppressing assholes like yourself. People like you are destructive. A cancer on our country's soul. Your combined self-hatred and sadism require that you have people punished simply for doing things that you merely disapprove of. You are sick.


edit: Cheers to Denver :thumbsup:

 

[TheGizmo]

Its happening!
Turn on, Tune In, Drop Out..

...alright maybe not that the extent But I'm glad people are starting to realize the power of MJ. NORML is doing great things too (www.norml.org).

On another note, look at this.. http://www.the-scientist.com/news/20051014/01

and this: http://www.pamf.org/health/healthinfo/reutershome_top.cfm?fx=article&id=25449


legalize

 

[Icanoutsmokeany1]

Does ANYBODY want pot illegal anymore? Seriously...just get it done with.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: DingDingDao

Originally posted by: ThePresence
They can't reverse federal law witha local election, so it's almost meaningless, I think. Am I wrong?

You're thinking along the same lines as me...how exactly will this work? If I see a city cop, I don't have to worry, but if I see a state trooper or something, I need to run?

county deputy: oh sh!t it's the cops!

 

[NascarFool]

Originally posted by: laurenlex
<------- Searching real estate listings in Denver.

Real Estate is so expensive that you can afford any pot.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Icanoutsmokeany1
Does ANYBODY want pot illegal anymore? Seriously...just get it done with.

Only the last vestiges of the generations that Hearst so successfully brainwashed. Sadly, we are continuing to create new forms of "Reefer Madness" against different invisible threats.

 

[Spydermag68]

Originally posted by: Hammerhead
Well, there goes the Denver Broncos' winning record. I guess Ricky Williams will try to get on the roster.

Mike Shanahan would not put up with a player like Ricky Williams.

 

[mrSHEiK124]

:music: Legalize it, time you recognize it :music:

 

[kongs]

Ilmater very few people smoke a joint to be honest. If you compare 1 beer to smoking 1 bowl its about the same deal.

 

[jdurg]

The de-criminilization of marijuana is a very 'odd' situation for lawmakers and society. As a former daily user and now a rare 'once every couple of months' user, I understand the ups and the downs associated with the drug. With my B.S. in Forensic Chemistry with a focus on drugs of abuse, you could kind of say that I majored in the stuff in college.

The biggest problem with pot is the utter lack of organized, scientific research. Sure there's a lot of 'I know so-and-so who smokes pot daily and there's nothing wrong', or 'I know someone who smokes every day and his/her life is in shambles' stories, but there is no organized research. The majority of the research was performed under government grants in the middle 20th century where the government pretty much said 'tell me that the stuff is bad or you don't get your grant money'. There has not been a helluva lot of research done on the stuff because of all the strict rules and licensing the government forces you to go through if you want to perform research. For many institutions, there's just not enough of an economical benefit to research what pot does to you.

As a human being, I wouldn't feel comfortable with a sudden all out legalization of something when we're not 100% certain on how it affects you. Again, the only evidence we have is a little bit of heresay evidence. It's much easier to keep something illegal than it is to make it legal, suddenly find out that it's horrible for you, then try and make it illegal again.

Marijuana for smoking was first introduced to the United States by Mexican and Carribbien(sp?) immigrants in the early 19th century, I believe. At first the American public really didn't think much of it and its use wasn't all that widspread. Slowly, however, the use of marijuana started to increase tremendously. The wealthy white owners of businesses who used these immigrant workers became concerned that their work production would suffer from all of the pot they were smoking and that it would be a negative influence on their other workers. Because of this, taxes were passed which put a heavy taxation on the marijuana use. This prevented the poor citizens from being able to afford to smoke pot. The wealthy could still use it if they wanted to because they could afford the taxes, but eventually the tax level became so high that it was just not economically feasible to smoke pot. So pot wasn't initially outlawed in the US. It was just taxed beyond belief before eventually falling under the Drugs of Abuse classification.

That happened in the VERY early 20th century I believe, and it has been considered 'illegal' ever since. Some research has been done on pot, however, and some facts are known. First off is that the LD50 (The amount of a substance needed to kill half the population it's given to) for Delta-9-THC is INSANELY high. You need to ingest an obsenely large amount of pot in order to die from it. It's an amount that could only happen in rare instances when people were purposely trying to kill themselves. It's not like alcohol where you can kill yourself without realizing it.

Marijuana causes an increase in appetite by slowly lowering the blood sugar. It makes the body more sensitive to levels of insulin in the blood and causes the cells to use that insulin to 'burn' sugar. This results in a slow lowering of the blood sugar which helps stimulate the appetite.

Marijuana stimulates ones appetite. 'The Munchies' are one of the main reasons why synthetically produced THC is marketed as the drug Dronabinol (Marinol) which is used in some chemotherapy regimens to help the patient keep their appetite. The fact that the FDA has approved Dronabinol/Marinol proves that the DEA is completely hypocratic because the DEA has classified marijuana as a Level 1 Drug meaning that it has 'no medical benefit and has not been assessed for safety data'. (In order to get FDA approval on a drug, a copious amount of safety data is needed. It's because of this need for safety data that I have a job as a clinical data analyst).

Marijuana alters the brain chemistry and can have a profound affect on ones ability to remember things. For some, their memory isn't affected at all. For others, they suddenly can't remember anything. It's something that should be further researched, but the predominating data shows that it does alter how one remembers things. I know that when I used it my memory was totally shot and it has taken quite a bit of time for me to recover.

Marijuana lowers your blood pressure as well as your intraocular pressure. Hence why it is a very effective glaucoma treatment.

Heavy marijuana use causes a lack of motivation. Like all things, if used in moderation this side affect can be avoided.

There are many other things which are already known, but as it's getting late I'm a bit tired and don't want to drag this post on much longer.

My personal belief is that pot needs to first be further researched and slowly de-criminalized. Don't just go out and say 'it's legal to smoke pot'. Slowly relax the restrictions on it by taking it off of the list of tested for drugs. Then make it legal to use it. Then make it legal to posess small amounts, etc. etc.

Now someone else in the thread said that "Personal Freedom" should allow them to use any drug they want in the privacy of their own home. However, one thing 'Personal Freedom' doesn't allow you to do is infringe on my personal freedoms. Things are made illegal because their use affects not only those who are using them, but those who are around them. What about the parent who decided to go shoot heroin instead of paying for their kid's visit to the doctor? How about your babysitter using cocaine instead of showing up to babysit your child? There are many more cases where someone 'doing something in their own home' severely affects more than just themselves. You can't pass a law saying 'you can do anything you want as long as you're single and don't have kids'. That's just not feasible. Whether these are laws we agree with or not doesn't matter. Society as a whole is far more important than any of us are as individuals. In 100 years, none of us will be on this planet, but the decisions we make and the things we do will affect the lives of those who are here. Society is never ending, individual humans are. So think about that the next time you cry out about your 'Personal Freedom'.

 

[Eli]

:thumbsup: