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ivwshane

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Kidnapped, lol. Hyperbole doesn’t make it so

What would you call people who were grabbed off the streets and put in a van without any Miranda rights being given or explanation that the perpetrator was being arrested?
What would you call it if those same people weren’t actually charged with a crime?
 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
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What would you call people who were grabbed off the streets and put in a van without any Miranda rights being given or explanation that the perpetrator was being arrested?
What would you call it if those same people weren’t actually charged with a crime?
How many of them are still being detained? I’ve personally been “detained” by police without an explanation as to why. I wouldn’t call it kidnapping.

You had federal agents sent to protect federal property from arson, and a small but belligerent group of agitators who violently assaulted the little green men because reasons. The little green men pursued and detained arson suspects.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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How many of them are still being detained? I’ve personally been “detained” by police without an explanation as to why. I wouldn’t call it kidnapping.

You had federal agents sent to protect federal property from arson, and a small but belligerent group of agitators who violently assaulted the little green men because reasons. The little green men pursued and detained arson suspects.


Ah so it's only kidnapping if its not temporarily.

You should read your posts sometimes, they frequently come off as pathetic.

The difference between you being detained by police and these other people is that you knew who was detaining you. That's a pretty big fucking difference, wouldn't you agree.

So I'll ask again, what would you call someone being picked up off the street and detained by unknown people?
 
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Starbuck1975

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Ah so it's only kidnapping if its temporarily.
Once protests deteriorate into arson and rioting, they become a public safety hazard. Once law enforcement declare a riot and unlawful assembly, those who choose to linger in the area amongst the chaos run the risk of injury and detainment.

You should read your posts sometimes, they frequently come off as pathetic.
yawn

The difference between you being detained by police and these other people is that you knew who was detaining you. That's a pretty big fucking difference, wouldn't you agree.
Why should we believe the people detained considering they didn’t have enough common sense to avoid a situation that they knew would prompt an assertive response from law enforcement
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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Once protests deteriorate into arson and rioting, they become a public safety hazard. Once law enforcement declare a riot and unlawful assembly, those who choose to linger in the area amongst the chaos run the risk of injury and detainment.

yawn

Why should we believe the people detained considering they didn’t have enough common sense to avoid a situation that they knew would prompt an assertive response from law enforcement

Oh I don’t know, because it’s been reported and there is video evidence of such. Or are you going to claim ignorance on this one?


Like I said, pathetic.

“What is happening now in Portland should concern everyone in the United States. Usually when we see people in unmarked cars forcibly grab someone off the street, we call it kidnapping," said Jann Carson, interim executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Oregon, in a written statement. "The actions of the militarized federal officers are flat-out unconstitutional and will not go unanswered."
 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
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Oh I don’t know, because it’s been reported and there is video evidence of such. Or are you going to claim ignorance on this one?


Like I said, pathetic.
DHS admitted to using unmarked vehicles, which is a common law enforcement practice, as is plain clothed officers. DHS were responding to unlawful assembly, rioting and arson, and detained suspects which they released. Still waiting on evidence of kidnapping beyond hyperbole. Pathetic indeed.
 

ivwshane

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DHS admitted to using unmarked vehicles, which is a common law enforcement practice, as is plain clothed officers. DHS were responding to unlawful assembly, rioting and arson, and detained suspects which they released. Still waiting on evidence of kidnapping beyond hyperbole. Pathetic indeed.


Reading is hard. Go fuck yourself.
 
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ivwshane

Lifer
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Fascist enabler has 3 responses to his enabling: yawn, edgy, BothSidesDoIt™.

Keep on keepin' on, enabler.

It’s hard to blame him though, he apparently isn’t very good with the English language as he doesn’t know what hyperbole is.
 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
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lol if you even pretend to believe that.

I mean, holy fucking shit I think I can hear you snickering from here.
It must be my snickering from the Portland thread, where the protests have devolved to pulling down statues of...Abraham Lincoln.

There is nothing to snicker about in this thread.
 

Meghan54

Lifer
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Reading is hard. Go fuck yourself.

It's kinda senseless to tell someone to do something they actually enjoy, isn't it? Admittedly, outside of him fucking himself, it's about the only fucking he's had since his mater shat him out her wise and beautiful woman.

He's just another wanna be authoritarian asshole who cannot abide anyone living outside what he views as the "righteous" way to live....you know, ever faithful and subservient to his master tRump.
 

MrSquished

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It's kinda senseless to tell someone to do something they actually enjoy, isn't it? Admittedly, outside of him fucking himself, it's about the only fucking he's had since his mater shat him out her wise and beautiful woman.

He's just another wanna be authoritarian asshole who cannot abide anyone living outside what he views as the "righteous" way to live....you know, ever faithful and subservient to his master tRump.
I doubt Starbuck is even voting for Trump. That's just my impression.
 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
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Funny how the usual "comply or die" glee turns to sadness and bitterness depending on the political identity of the victim. Bothsides, amirite?
There is no question in my mind that you quite enjoy victimizing the poor straw people
 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
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It's kinda senseless to tell someone to do something they actually enjoy, isn't it? Admittedly, outside of him fucking himself, it's about the only fucking he's had since his mater shat him out her wise and beautiful woman.

He's just another wanna be authoritarian asshole who cannot abide anyone living outside what he views as the "righteous" way to live....you know, ever faithful and subservient to his master tRump.
kinky
 

Paladin3

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If I am armed I'm not going to allow anyone to pepper spray me and potentially take my weapon to be used against me. Pepper spray in and of itself may not be deadly, but it will incapacitate and render you defenseless, at which point the attacker can further harm or kill you. For this reason, being attacked with pepper spray can put you in reasonable fear for your life and safety and that would make lethal force an appropriate response in at least some cases.

That said, if I go armed to a protest where I plan to physically confront others and pick a fight, when I am successful at doing so and get a face full of hot sauce, it's hard to say shooting back was in self-defense. That's right up there with robbing a store and gunpoint, and when the clerk pulls a gun to fight back, saying you shot them in self-defense. You have no real right to self-defense if you caused the fight.

I'm not saying it's impossible, just very hard. We should all agree that no amount of words or shouting or arguing should ever justify any kind of violence against another, even with only a can of (supposedly) less than lethal pepper spray. If you keep screaming into someone's face trying to get a response, don't be surprised if you are successful and get attacked. It doesn't make the initial attack any less wrong, or make you defending yourself with lethal force automatically okay.

And Stand Your Ground only applies if you are attacked in your home, or in some states if you are attacked in your car. You have at least a moral obligation, and in many states a legal obligation, to do everything you reasonably can to avoid a fight before you resort to using deadly force in self-defense. It's really hard to say you were in genuine fear for your life when you sought out the other side, actively engaged in a confrontation with them, then escalated it until you got a response you felt made using a gun okay.
 
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Vic

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There is no question in my mind that you quite enjoy victimizing the poor straw people
It's not a straw man that the same people outraged over this person's death would be gleefully chanting 'comply or die' if the deceased's identity were different. That's just a readily observable fact.
 
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I doubt Starbuck is even voting for Trump. That's just my impression.

I disagree, other than I doubt he votes at all. He strikes me as a full of shit libertarian clown and most of them that I've encountered don't vote at all. Which is weird because they'll shill like crazy for Republican psychopaths. I figure its so in their minds they can actually live up to their claims of being nonpartisan despite it being blatantly obvious that's not remotely true.

So, he might not vote for him but he'd suck his asshole given the opportunity.
 
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