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RampantAndroid

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Considering how much money they make and have stored up, there's no reason why they can't serve both their current loyal customers and those who want more IMHO.

Maybe - they are certainly doing it with the ipads. I don't know why they don't, but I can say I hope they keep making the width they do now.
 

blairharrington

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I've completely soured on The Verge. I was thrilled when it debuted. But I think it kinda sucks now. Too many stories with vague connections to technology. The Paul Miller offline experiment was stupid. Everybody on their mobile podcast sucks except for Dan Seifert. The comments section is a disaster. They rush out reviews and have terrible battery tests. (David Pierce is a mediocre writer and his first-out-the-gate HTC One review complained about battery life and most reviews that followed said nothing of the sort.) I like Topolsky a great deal but The Verge has let me down.

iOS 7 looks fine. Aside from the visuals it doesn't operate all that much different than iOS 6. Apple needs a 5" iPhone.
 

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I've completely soured on The Verge. I was thrilled when it debuted. But I think it kinda sucks now. Too many stories with vague connections to technology. The Paul Miller offline experiment was stupid. Everybody on their mobile podcast sucks except for Dan Seifert. The comments section is a disaster. They rush out reviews and have terrible battery tests. (David Pierce is a mediocre writer and his first-out-the-gate HTC One review complained about battery life and most reviews that followed said nothing of the sort.) I like Topolsky a great deal but The Verge has let me down.

I still only rely on the Verge and Ars Technica for my technology news and insights. Most of what you said describes EVERY tech blog out there, IMO.

I don't mind the Verge's coverage of things only tangentially related to technology but they have been getting a bit far removed of late (e.g., the articles about the Swiss cat pelt problem which no one from Switzerland has ever heard of or Lego character faces getting angrier over time).

They must be doing something right if users from every single mobile OS think the site is heavily biased against their OS of choice.
 

Gorgenapper

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I don't mind the look of iOS7, I think it looks a hell of a lot more modern than it does now, especially with less (or no) skeumorphic elements.

As for Apple needing a large iPhone than the 5, I'll be happy if they just make a 4.5" iPhone that's just slightly shorter than the 5, but maybe 10% wider...just like this concept.



I actually like it a lot, except I'd still want a physical home button. Apple has put extremely good IPS LCD panels in their iPhones since the 4, and the only recent competitor I've seen come close is the HTC One. The color accuracy is top notch (much better than even the excellent OLED in the S4), and the brightness/clarity is also first rate. After using the excellent displays on the 4S and the 5 (and on my iPad 3) - size notwithstanding - it's hard to go back down to anything else.
 

blairharrington

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They must be doing something right if users from every single mobile OS think the site is heavily biased against their OS of choice.

Has nothing to do with them doing something right. That's just nerds venting online.

I think Engadget does a better job of providing straight tech news.

Overall I still think The Verge is pretty good. But when it came out I thought it was amazing and by far the best tech site and now I really don't think that's the case. I think it's pretty flawed.

Ars is the only tech site with a proper comments section.
 

blairharrington

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I don't mind the look of iOS7, I think it looks a hell of a lot more modern than it does now, especially with less (or no) skeumorphic elements.

As for Apple needing a large iPhone than the 5, I'll be happy if they just make a 4.5" iPhone that's just slightly shorter than the 5, but maybe 10% wider...just like this concept.



I actually like it a lot, except I'd still want a physical home button. Apple has put extremely good IPS LCD panels in their iPhones since the 4, and the only recent competitor I've seen come close is the HTC One. The color accuracy is top notch (much better than even the excellent OLED in the S4), and the brightness/clarity is also first rate. After using the excellent displays on the 4S and the 5 (and on my iPad 3) - size notwithstanding - it's hard to go back down to anything else.

I say no chance of a 4.5" iPhone. They'll keep the 4" model and bring a 5" model to the table. Just a question of when. Hopefully this fall. More likely the summer or fall of 2014.
 

Gorgenapper

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Well, you certainly won't see me complaining if they come with a 5" model instead of 4.5". Either one works for me as long as the pixel density is equal or better than the iPhone 4/5 and they keep using the same type of panel.
 

blairharrington

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Well, you certainly won't see me complaining if they come with a 5" model instead of 4.5". Either one works for me as long as the pixel density is equal or better than the iPhone 4/5 and they keep using the same type of panel.

Marco Arment and John Gruber think they could get away with a less than 300 ppi at 5" and I completely disagree. If they go 5" they need to keep the ppi at 'retina' levels which essentially means 300+ ppi.
 

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Marco Arment and John Gruber think they could get away with a less than 300 ppi at 5" and I completely disagree. If they go 5" they need to keep the ppi at 'retina' levels which essentially means 300+ ppi.
Esp. when the current Android flagships are at ~450ppi.
 

RampantAndroid

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That does look better to me as well.

I predict one of the more popular JB downloads will be a theme that makes the iPhone look like stock iOS6 ....

Like I've said before: Expect jailbreaking to be dead. It HAS to die for the new security to work AT ALL.

I think iOS7 design looks horrible. Apple needs to fix their icons or hire this guy.

http://dribbble.com/shots/1109343-iOS-7-Redesign/attachments/141296

The difference is so negligible. You suggest the design is horrible then offer something barely different to fix it? What? Also - the Beta 1 screenshot seems wrong. iOS doesn't show you signal strength in DB (unless you put the right code into the dialer, but even then it isn't permanent.)
 

bearxor

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Also - the Beta 1 screenshot seems wrong. iOS doesn't show you signal strength in DB (unless you put the right code into the dialer, but even then it isn't permanent.)

If you go into field test mode and then force quit it, the dB reading will stick. That's what I'm doing because I HATE the dots.
 

ControlD

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Like I've said before: Expect jailbreaking to be dead. It HAS to die for the new security to work AT ALL.

Yeah, I did some reading over the weekend and it does seem that the days of jailbreaking might be coming to an end. I understand the reasons (sort of) but it makes me glad I dropped the platform recently. Still, I will believe JB is dead when I actually see the devs admit defeat.
 
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gorcorps

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Like I've said before: Expect jailbreaking to be dead. It HAS to die for the new security to work AT ALL.

Something may be different now, but the community always finds a way around security. I've read people claim several times that an update was going to break the ability to jailbreak, but it's always a matter of time.
 

T_Yamamoto

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Something may be different now, but the community always finds a way around security. I've read people claim several times that an update was going to break the ability to jailbreak, but it's always a matter of time.

Ios6 was supposed to be jailbreak proof but it wasn't (or so I remember)
 

RampantAndroid

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If you go into field test mode and then force quit it, the dB reading will stick. That's what I'm doing because I HATE the dots.

Meh, it's just another set of bars. You could remove the reading completely and replace it with a red or green light and I'd be fine with. Am I connected or not? Beyond that, it doesn't matter to me.

Yeah, I did some reading over the weekend and it does seem that the days of jailbreaking might be coming to an end. I understand the reasons (sort of) but it makes me glad I dropped the platform recently. Still, I will believe JB is dead when I actually see the devs admit defeat.

Something may be different now, but the community always finds a way around security. I've read people claim several times that an update was going to break the ability to jailbreak, but it's always a matter of time.

The fact that they aren't JBing 6.1.3 and up should be a good hint. They're scared and are willing to risk their remaining two loopholes to use on iOS7, despite the fact that iOS7 might close those holes (this is something they've called out already.) They've run out of hacks for now. More than that, Apple pays HANDSOMELY for contractors and independent hackers to sell their holes to Apple so they can be fixed. This is something all tech companies do. I wouldn't bet on JBing being dead, but I would bet on it taking MUCH longer and being patched MUCH sooner than ever before.
 

Gorgenapper

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Marco Arment and John Gruber think they could get away with a less than 300 ppi at 5" and I completely disagree. If they go 5" they need to keep the ppi at 'retina' levels which essentially means 300+ ppi.

Yeah, look at the iPad mini. The display is like an iPad 2 display, just smaller. They shouldn't revert back to lower resolution screens like that, it just looks wrong (and cheap).
 

bearxor

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Meh, it's just another set of bars. You could remove the reading completely and replace it with a red or green light and I'd be fine with. Am I connected or not? Beyond that, it doesn't matter to me.

I disagree, simply because the difference between -120dB and -80dB can mean a several Mbps connection for me. I like knowing what it is at any given time.

What irritates me about the floating circles is that they're just not lined up with the rest of the status bar. There middle justified so they just kind of sit there next to the WiFi or network indicator irritating me. If they had been turned in to dots vertically on the side of the screen or if they had some sort of staggered pattern to use up all the space available in the status bar I'd be a lot more welcoming of the change.

Other than that, I agree that JB'ing isn't dead, but its severely slowed down. The writing has been on the wall for several years now. If I were the dev team, I'd even be tempted to hold my exploits until IOS 7.1. Try to get people on the most stable version you can, since many people will be running it for a couple of years. Undoubtedly, Apple will be patching exploits in the future just as quickly as they can after finding out about them. None of this waiting three point releases in between.

The only thing I'm going to shed a tear over is BiteSMS.
 

Mopetar

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Ios6 was supposed to be jailbreak proof but it wasn't (or so I remember)

All software is supposed to be secure, but there are always a few holes and every time something is added, changed, or updated there's always the potential for more.
 

RampantAndroid

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I disagree, simply because the difference between -120dB and -80dB can mean a several Mbps connection for me. I like knowing what it is at any given time.

What irritates me about the floating circles is that they're just not lined up with the rest of the status bar. There middle justified so they just kind of sit there next to the WiFi or network indicator irritating me. If they had been turned in to dots vertically on the side of the screen or if they had some sort of staggered pattern to use up all the space available in the status bar I'd be a lot more welcoming of the change.

Other than that, I agree that JB'ing isn't dead, but its severely slowed down. The writing has been on the wall for several years now. If I were the dev team, I'd even be tempted to hold my exploits until IOS 7.1. Try to get people on the most stable version you can, since many people will be running it for a couple of years. Undoubtedly, Apple will be patching exploits in the future just as quickly as they can after finding out about them. None of this waiting three point releases in between.

The only thing I'm going to shed a tear over is BiteSMS.

I guess my view on the signal bars is...well, I'm not going to move where I am for better data, if I have data I'm fine. But I'm getting used to Verizon being AWFUL inside of buildings. Should never have swapped carriers...

As for JBing, I'm putting my money on the two remaining exploits being patches in iOS7.
 

bearxor

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I guess my view on the signal bars is...well, I'm not going to move where I am for better data, if I have data I'm fine. But I'm getting used to Verizon being AWFUL inside of buildings. Should never have swapped carriers...

As for JBing, I'm putting my money on the two remaining exploits being patches in iOS7.

It's never the right time to switch to Verizon.
 

Zaap

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Attention to detail
If that's the case, strike the whole thing and start over.

Overall, I like the more substantive iOS changes, but getting into details, the icons are so glaringly contradictory they look badly amateur. Flat icons... mixed with garish over-saturated gradients. Absolute flat right next to rendered 3D. Sometimes stark black and white iconified, next to a literal color depiction... on and on just opposing bad design decisions one after the other.

Seriously, if I saw this mess as a free GoLauncher skin I'd say it would rank among the weakest of those. Icon wise, Apple really phoned it in.
 
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