Detecting dns setting with dialup ?

Tectron

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Is there a way to detect dns settings etc, when using an isp that uses its own dialin program? I want to use my isp with linux but they have no dialer for linux.

Thanks
 

CTR

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Do they have a custom dialer program that runs under windows? If so, there might be some problems. But a standard PPP dialup only has a few things that are negotiated between the NAS (equipment you dial into) and your PC. You can capture this process with a decent sniffer, even a free one like Ethereal. Here's what happens, off the top of my head:

LCP negotiation goes through some basic options that are pretty much standard on all dialers: Async Contol Character Map (usually 000a000, Protocol Field Compression (yes), Address Control Field Compression (yes), Callback Control Protocol (no thanks), MRU (usually 1500), Authentication protocol (PAP or CHAP).

Once the NAS and the client agree on the LCP settings, the session progresses to the authentication phase. Your username and password are transmitted to the NAS, which in turn transmits it to the ISP's authentication server(s) using the authentication protocol agreed upon during LCP negotiation. If the server says your user/pass is okay, it sends some information back to the NAS that control your dialup session settings, such as your session time limit, idle timeout, static IP address (usually dynamic), compression scheme, Access Control Lists, etc.

After auth is successful, the NAS and the client negotiate again in the IPCP (Internet Protocol Control Protocol) phase, where the following information is determined: Van Jacobsen Compression on/off, IP address, DNS servers, and possibly NBNS servers if you are doing a microsoft dialup. Once all of the settings are offered by the NAS and the client accepts them, the session continues to the next phase.

The CCP (Compression Control Protocol) phase consists of the NAS and the client agreeing upon what compression scheme to use. For example, Microsoft PPC or STAC. Once compression is either negotiated or rejected, the session is ready to pass PPP frames between the NAS and the client. Now you can surf, check email, whatever.

 

Tectron

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Wow thats a detailed answer Thanks. Cfaith does use a dialer program (softcast). On win 98 I could bypass it and use the dial up networking but on XP I cant. Ultimately I want to dump windows and go all linux. I emailed tech support but havent heard anything, since they only support mac and windows I may be out of luck.
 

CTR

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Most custom dialer software just collects data and batches it back to the ISP for statistical analysis. Some versions will give you restricted access numbers that allow you to only update or pay on your account. Some pull software updates and ads to your PC. If you google softcast, you will only find a few pages circa 1999.

Most of CFaith's numbers look like they belong to Level3. The little bit I know about Level3's wholesale dial architecture (and equipment) leads me to believe that you will have no problem with a standard LINUX PPP dialer.
 

Homerboy

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Ummm its been quite some time since Ive touched dial-up, but why cant you just do a ipconfig /all in the cmd window get your info then jump ship to linux?

Or find some other DNS servers..... you dont HAVE to use your ISPs
 

Tectron

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Originally posted by: Homerboy
Ummm its been quite some time since Ive touched dial-up, but why cant you just do a ipconfig /all in the cmd window get your info then jump ship to linux?

Or find some other DNS servers..... you dont HAVE to use your ISPs

Ok I have all of the important information written down, I loaded up linux(Suse) and went through the modem/provider cofiguration, but I couldn't find anyplace to manually insert the DNS numbers. All I found was a checkbox for dynamic dns. Ive tried it both ways, it connects and then disconnects. it says its probably a username/password error which I know isnt the case. Is there a command line confiuration utility or something?? I'm new to linux if that wasn't already evident

 
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