Diablo 3 RMAH fees

Status
Not open for further replies.

JamesV

Platinum Member
Jul 9, 2011
2,002
2
76
Hidden in an article that talks about being to play outside your region with friends, are the costs for using the real money auction house.

http://pc.ign.com/articles/122/1224110p1.html

$1 for any item sold
15% for any stackable - gold, crafting mats, etc.

15% to transfer money to a Paypal account

Gold sellers beware, for every hundred dollars you earn $30 is going to Blizzard.

15% to transfer to Paypal seems a bit steep, no?
 

Lonyo

Lifer
Aug 10, 2002
21,938
6
81
Probably designed to discourage people from farming and selling items in game for real life profits. Encourages the money to be kept inside the system instead.
 

magomago

Lifer
Sep 28, 2002
10,973
14
76
doesn't matter to 'companies' making lots of money...still 70 to gold farmers, 30 to Blizzard. I'm sure that there will still be plenty of gold farmers and no one is going to say "I'm only keeping 70 out of every 100 dollars, that it, i'm not farming anymore!".
From this perspective, the tax is to legitimize their actions.

And Blizzard is probably happy to do it because it will mean a LOT of money going into their coffers
 

shortylickens

No Lifer
Jul 15, 2003
80,287
17,080
136
Probably designed to discourage people from farming and selling items in game for real life profits. Encourages the money to be kept inside the system instead.

Yeah especially Koreans. Blizzard games are a cottage industry over there. Kids work their way through college playing WoW and such, selling loot for real world money.
 

SMOGZINN

Lifer
Jun 17, 2005
14,307
4,569
136
i still don't understand why the AH isn't in-game gold only.

Because Blizzard wouldn't make any money off it then. Make no mistake, this is a form of microtransaction support for the game. Just instead of them directly selling you items, they are going to let other players do it for them and just take the money.

EDIT: I should mention that I'm not against this idea. I think it is a brilliant way to help pay for continuing support and content for the game. I hope it is a huge success.
 

Udgnim

Diamond Member
Apr 16, 2008
3,679
122
106
Blizzard take is a lot higher than I expected

I wonder how much this will drive people to seek out the black market for lower priced gold/items

oh, I also want to say that I am for RMAH on the basis that Blizzard has a definite monetary stake in keeping botting/duping/exploits down now

I wonder if they'll be able to go after sellers and buyers from the D3 black market as well
 
Last edited:

Molondo

Platinum Member
Sep 6, 2005
2,529
1
0
Correct me if I'm wrong and I apologize for breaking the circle jerk, but I thought that there is gold AH
 

SMOGZINN

Lifer
Jun 17, 2005
14,307
4,569
136
Correct me if I'm wrong and I apologize for breaking the circle jerk, but I thought that there is gold AH

There is one, but everyone pretty much expects it to be empty. Why sell stuff for in game gold when you could sell it for real money?
 

Anteaus

Platinum Member
Oct 28, 2010
2,448
4
81
Will there still be transactions from person to person? It seems that you could just bypass the AH and make deals directly with people. Couldn't gold sellers just sell gold like they always have, by giving the gold directly to players?
 

shortylickens

No Lifer
Jul 15, 2003
80,287
17,080
136
Will there still be transactions from person to person? It seems that you could just bypass the AH and make deals directly with people. Couldn't gold sellers just sell gold like they always have, by giving the gold directly to players?

If you get caught your account is banned. Thats 60 bucks down the hole.
 
Oct 19, 2000
17,860
4
81
There is one, but everyone pretty much expects it to be empty. Why sell stuff for in game gold when you could sell it for real money?

I fully expect both to exist equally, with the sole exception of the rarer items only showing up on the RMAH. From what I gather (from here), everybody in the same region will post in the same RMAH. It will get so flooded with everything available in the game that prices will go through the floor and people won't want to bother.

At least in WoW, each AH is contained on each server, creating an individual market for each. There is only so much product available to each user base, so prices are set more on supply and demand. However, once everybody playing in the US is looking at and posting the same stuff, it's just going to create a glut of product with people fighting for buyers. You could probably search for a stack of gold and it will be dirt cheap because there are half a million people trying to sell it to you.

That's how I see it happening in the first couple of months, it might actually even out once players start dying out. However, Blizzard is really going to have to keep on top of churning out new content, because people are going to fly through leveling their characters and now have no reason to create more of the same class (at least from what I've read).
 
Last edited:

Chiropteran

Diamond Member
Nov 14, 2003
9,811
110
106
There is one, but everyone pretty much expects it to be empty. Why sell stuff for in game gold when you could sell it for real money?

See OP.

That, the reason you don't sell most stuff on the gold AH is that the $1 fee is greater than any potential profit. The number of items worth more than $1 will be few indeed.

Also, there will be a known gold to cash exchange rate. Sell the cheap stuff for gold, and cash out your gold when you get enough to make it worth while, paying the fee once, rather than paying $1 fees for every little sale made.


IMO, the fees are too high. 30% is absurd. I expect 3rd party sites to flourish because with such a huge cut from blizzard it's not hard to undercut those fees and still have a profitable business.
 

Soccerman06

Diamond Member
Jul 29, 2004
5,830
5
81
Running the servers cant be exactly cheap. I know wow's servers run them in the $10(0?) millions a year. I wouldnt expect the d3 servers to be anywhere near as complex but they gotta pay for them somehow and knowing how a large amount of people will play this game for a very long time they gotta have a steady income to support the infrastructure.

Fees are fees, dont like it? dont use it
 

IeraseU

Senior member
Aug 25, 2004
778
0
71
Actually this is a good way to keep the game from requiring a monthly service, ala MMO's. You can still experience the full game without buying any items. Just farm the items as usual and leave the AH alone.
 

Zenoth

Diamond Member
Jan 29, 2005
5,201
214
106
I like the idea, I'm not against it.

You can still find any items you might want to pay for by yourself simply by playing and being lucky. That's what Diablo 2 was about, and that's what Diablo 3 still is about, it's a form of gambling, risks and luck. If you want a "shortcut", see some item at the AH that you think you might "never find" (which is virtually impossible, there's always a chance to find it, you never know), it's super rare, then you can buy it with in-game Gold or real money.

The thing is that item you bought is part of the game from the start. It's not a form of micro-transaction that would otherwise grant clear character stats, power or other means of advantages exactly because what you'd pay for wouldn't be in the game "normally". For example, I played Allods Online (I haven't touched it in months), you can technically play the game for free, but the micro-transaction system is pure scam and clearly gives advantages to people paying real cash to buy the "cash shop" currency (gpotato). You can get an extra earring slot to equip a second earring (giving extra stat points), you can buy extra talent/skill points, you can buy powerful trinkets, superior rank mounts, offensive mounts (can fire at targets or charge at them). You can upgrade your runes at much higher levels than anyone grinding to do that for free (giving direct offensive % advantages and defensive advantages in the form of damage reduction), etc. You CAN "grind" for MONTHS to manage to buy even half of those advantages if you really have no life, because you can exchange in-game Gold into cash shop currency without paying real cash, but that's more of an illusion rather than being actually practical for everyone. To rely on that currency exchange system and becoming "good enough" for end-game PvE and PvP you would need daily (and hours each day) game-play dedication for months (if not more than a year). It's not "just" for shortcuts concerning leveling your toon faster than others, or buying vanity items (those things are fine), it's that, but they also include "incentives", you pay real cash? You have a better (or much, much better) character than others' in return.

Now, in Diablo 3... say you want to buy the Immortal King set's Hammer (let's pretend it's super rare on paper, the actual chance for it to drop, on paper, is very low), you COULD find it by yourself in the game, it's already there. That IK Hammer is NOT an "advantage" because you bought it with real cash, and does not only exist on your character because... say... you'd have bought some DLCs or something giving "exclusive" items. To buy that hammer with real cash is only a time saver, time is money, literally so in a game like Diablo 3 (same thing with D2's third party items sellers everywhere on the web). That's why I absolutely don't give a damn about that Real Money Auction House, it's just a way to cut corners, save time and take shortcuts to get specific items that you wouldn't want to bother trying to find yourself by simply playing the game.
 
Last edited:

Stuka87

Diamond Member
Dec 10, 2010
6,240
2,559
136
I think 15% to transfer to PayPal is ludicrous. The 15% of a sale I can understand. Bit high, but understand it. And I know the reason it cost so much to transfer to paypal is to keep that money in the AH so they can make more off it.

This is basically what they are doing in place of monthly fees.
 
Oct 19, 2000
17,860
4
81
I think 15% to transfer to PayPal is ludicrous. The 15% of a sale I can understand. Bit high, but understand it. And I know the reason it cost so much to transfer to paypal is to keep that money in the AH so they can make more off it.

This is basically what they are doing in place of monthly fees.

It's not ludicrous when you consider that this is all essentially "free" money. You're playing the game as usual, only now you have the opportunity to make some money off it. You're not selling physical items, you never really own anything. You can give the whole "time is money" argument but this is still a video game, IMO that doesn't apply here.
 

LurkerPrime

Senior member
Aug 11, 2010
962
0
71
There are lots of people who have lots of money, but maybe only a few hours to game a week. Those are the people who are willing to drop $100+ on a virtual item so that they can "enjoy" thier gaming experience even more. The buying/selling of virtual items has been going on at least since the days of everquest (probably even earlier). Its just taken 15+ years for a company to support it in a game and to take a cut.

I would not be surprised if Blizzard generates items that are not in the real game (or virtually impossible to get by chance alone) and sells them on the auction house for ludicrous sums of money. I think they could easily do this and no would really know.

I really hope blizzard makes boatloads of money off D3 and the auction house. That just means there is a much better chance of seeing expansions and a D4 in the future.
 

Rhezuss

Diamond Member
Jan 31, 2006
4,118
34
91
I just hope D3 doesn't end up like those F2P MMOs that you HAVE to spend real money to be able to progress in the game.

Hope the singleplayer side of D3 will not force anyone to buy virtal shit with real dolla bills.
 

Anteaus

Platinum Member
Oct 28, 2010
2,448
4
81
I'm curious what the legal ramifications are. For example, Blizzard has created currency (gold) that has a street value of X*.15 Dollars. In other words, for every dollar someone spends on ingame gold, Blizzard generates 15 cents of real currency, regardless of how much money exchanges hands. Blizzard is officially advocating the exchange of real currency for in game gold. They can't say that ingame gold has no real world value, which they have in the past.

Because they inadvertantly created an exchange rate, I'm curious if they can legally stop the sale of gold outside of their exchange system.

Anyways, I'm just thinking out loud. I'm sure there is no real basis for this but I thought I would share. I can only imagine Blizzard thought all this through before deciding to do it.
 

Josh123

Diamond Member
Aug 4, 2002
3,030
2
76
I still think the gold AH will still have a nice inventory to choose from. If what they say is true about Inferno and gold being the most important item then I don't think it will be to bad. Think about it, you have to use gold to repair and train the artisian, that trumps real money for me. I'm not playing the game to make some extra cash, I'm playing to enjoy the game.
 

darkxshade

Lifer
Mar 31, 2001
13,749
6
81
The problem with implementing cash transactions is that once you get to the top end, it's the only way to do business in order to get the best loot.
 

Elcs

Diamond Member
Apr 27, 2002
6,278
6
81
Perhaps by the time I've finished enjoying Diablo III then I'll have fully repaid the cost of the game.

Buy game. Enjoy it a lot. Sell Loot. Game has earned what it cost me. Voila!
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
sale-70-410-exam    | Exam-200-125-pdf    | we-sale-70-410-exam    | hot-sale-70-410-exam    | Latest-exam-700-603-Dumps    | Dumps-98-363-exams-date    | Certs-200-125-date    | Dumps-300-075-exams-date    | hot-sale-book-C8010-726-book    | Hot-Sale-200-310-Exam    | Exam-Description-200-310-dumps?    | hot-sale-book-200-125-book    | Latest-Updated-300-209-Exam    | Dumps-210-260-exams-date    | Download-200-125-Exam-PDF    | Exam-Description-300-101-dumps    | Certs-300-101-date    | Hot-Sale-300-075-Exam    | Latest-exam-200-125-Dumps    | Exam-Description-200-125-dumps    | Latest-Updated-300-075-Exam    | hot-sale-book-210-260-book    | Dumps-200-901-exams-date    | Certs-200-901-date    | Latest-exam-1Z0-062-Dumps    | Hot-Sale-1Z0-062-Exam    | Certs-CSSLP-date    | 100%-Pass-70-383-Exams    | Latest-JN0-360-real-exam-questions    | 100%-Pass-4A0-100-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-300-135-exams-date    | Passed-200-105-Tech-Exams    | Latest-Updated-200-310-Exam    | Download-300-070-Exam-PDF    | Hot-Sale-JN0-360-Exam    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Exams    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-JN0-360-exams-date    | Exam-Description-1Z0-876-dumps    | Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps    | Dumps-HPE0-Y53-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-HPE0-Y53-Exam    | 100%-Pass-HPE0-Y53-Real-Exam-Questions    | Pass-4A0-100-Exam    | Latest-4A0-100-Questions    | Dumps-98-365-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-98-365-Exam    | 100%-Pass-VCS-254-Exams    | 2017-Latest-VCS-273-Exam    | Dumps-200-355-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-300-320-Exam    | Pass-300-101-Exam    | 100%-Pass-300-115-Exams    |
http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    | http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    |