Dick's is a bunch of *****.

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HumblePie

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He just let a hack attorney persuade him to pay $950 for a form letter.....

says a random person on the internet that has no idea what they are talking about. and has been shown to have zero idea of what they are talking about repeatedly.
 

HumblePie

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So mental anguish is dead?

if I pursue under DTPA it is. Which doesn't matter because of the punitive damages DTPA allows me to sue for more than makes up for that possible claim. Again, I stated I will go for the maximum allowable if I have to litigate in court. 3 times as punitive on top of damages and legal fees is quite a bit.
 

Dari

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if I pursue under DTPA it is. Which doesn't matter because of the punitive damages DTPA allows me to sue for more than makes up for that possible claim. Again, I stated I will go for the maximum allowable if I have to litigate in court. 3 times as punitive on top of damages and legal fees is quite a bit.

OK. So if Dick's climbs down and sells you the gun within the next 60 days, how much are you losing?
 

TheAdvocate

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says a random person on the internet that has no idea what they are talking about. and has been shown to have zero idea of what they are talking about repeatedly.

Here's the thing - I get paid to practice law, and I certainly won't do it on an internet forum, especially for a blowhard like you.

But think about this - for all your bellyaching, you are now out $50 more than the refund plus the giftcard you got in return from Dick's for canceling your order, and all you have to show for it is a form letter that any 1L could have typed up for you in 20 minutes... that and a completely unfounded sense of righteous indignation.

But I will continue to come back to this thread to laugh at your blustering, and your horrificly erroneous interpretations of contract law. It's like a serialized episode of Judge Judy. I admit, I cannot stay away.
 

RagingBITCH

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Here's the thing - I get paid to practice law, and I certainly won't do it on an internet forum, especially for a blowhard like you.

But think about this - for all your bellyaching, you are now out $50 more than the refund plus the giftcard you got in return from Dick's for canceling your order, and all you have to show for it is a form letter that any 1L could have typed up for you in 20 minutes... that and a completely unfounded sense of righteous indignation.

But I will continue to come back to this thread to laugh at your blustering, and your horrificly erroneous interpretations of contract law. It's like a serialized episode of Judge Judy. I admit, I cannot stay away.

rofl. pwn3d.

There are a ton of lawyers who will throw credibility out the window at an attempt to gain some kind of money out of it. Maybe the OP saw a commercial for The Texas Hammer while watching Judge Judy and decided to wrangle him up?
 

preslove

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I haven't been keeping up too closely on this thread, so just to clarify, the OP has spent almost a thousand dollars on a lawyer and a threatening letter to Dick's? He's planning on spending more to sue?

lol
 

Regs

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They signed a contract? Was it Dick personally?

Though I am hardly trying to stick up for Humble Pie and his troll plot or serious efforts to take down a corporation for their "egregious" offense and injustice on him, but the legal term of contract really means , and I put this loosely, an "agreement" between two capable parties which includes an offer and acceptance. You likely enter into verbal, or implied contract everyday without even knowing it. Some contracts don't even have to be expressly stated, but implied. Obviously, not all contracts can be enforceable, and there are hundreds if not thousands of statues and exceptions to every rule.

HumblePie's reluctance to take a refund with a 100 dollar gift card as acceptable performance from the other party, is another story.
 
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SunnyD

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But I will continue to come back to this thread to laugh at your blustering, and your horrificly erroneous interpretations of contract law. It's like a serialized episode of Judge Judy. I admit, I cannot stay away.

His take on it (and apparently his lawyer) is that it's not so much contract but consumer law that's been broken. I admit I'm not entirely sure how this all works, but he walked into a store and claims to have purchased an item without receiving said physical item, nor signing a physical contract for purchase of that item nor a bill of sale for that item. The only thing he claims to have is a receipt for said item, and a (verbal?) promise for delivery at some future date.

Again, I'm not a lawyer except in cases of two-year-old tantrums and toy timeouts, but I'm not entirely certain how retail sales ties into contractual obligations and what the rights of the company is when it comes to arbitrarily refunding customers when something is unable* to be delivered.

But this whole thing has been so convoluted that I can't tell the difference now between consumer and contract law at this point, so to hell with it. A new day for a new lol.
 

diesbudt

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His take on it (and apparently his lawyer) is that it's not so much contract but consumer law that's been broken. I admit I'm not entirely sure how this all works, but he walked into a store and claims to have purchased an item without receiving said physical item, nor signing a physical contract for purchase of that item nor a bill of sale for that item. The only thing he claims to have is a receipt for said item, and a (verbal?) promise for delivery at some future date.

Again, I'm not a lawyer except in cases of two-year-old tantrums and toy timeouts, but I'm not entirely certain how retail sales ties into contractual obligations and what the rights of the company is when it comes to arbitrarily refunding customers when something is unable* to be delivered.

But this whole thing has been so convoluted that I can't tell the difference now between consumer and contract law at this point, so to hell with it. A new day for a new lol.

Only thing I really want to point out in your post (bolded)

Unable to be delivered is not the same as deciding no longer to deliver it. Hence why a case can be made. Because an agreement was broken. Now will OP win? Who knows. I have seen people win lawsuits that were 100x more outrageous.

Just stating that there is a difference between unable to and chose not to.
 

olds

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Only thing I really want to point out in your post (bolded)

Unable to be delivered is not the same as deciding no longer to deliver it. Hence why a case can be made. Because an agreement was broken. Now will OP win? Who knows. I have seen people win lawsuits that were 100x more outrageous.

Just stating that there is a difference between unable to and chose not to.
Which is what 99% of the people in this thread are missing.
 

RagingBITCH

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Which is what 99% of the people in this thread are missing.

So it's a clear cut open and shut case? Doubtful. Depends on the lawyer(s), depends on the judge and his or her interpretation of the law and his or her view of gun control. There's a reason why good and bad lawyers exist...some schmuck like this who took this case will get destroyed by a big name firm that places like Dicks hire to represent them.

Who knows what contractual clauses Dicks has in place with Troy to cover their butts in cases like this, or for that matter, all their vendors. For all we know, they have an exit clause to sell back unused merchandise back to the original vendor at will, therefore making Dicks unable to deliver/fulfill existing orders. Still doesn't change the fact that the OP is grasping at straws.
 

diesbudt

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So it's a clear cut open and shut case? Doubtful. Depends on the lawyer(s), depends on the judge and his or her interpretation of the law and his or her view of gun control. There's a reason why good and bad lawyers exist...some schmuck like this who took this case will get destroyed by a big name firm that places like Dicks hire to represent them.

Who knows what contractual clauses Dicks has in place with Troy to cover their butts in cases like this, or for that matter, all their vendors. For all we know, they have an exit clause to sell back unused merchandise back to the original vendor at will, therefore making Dicks unable to deliver/fulfill existing orders. Still doesn't change the fact that the OP is grasping at straws.

And this is why it will never be open and shut.

Good lawyers can talk circles well enough to never make a good point, but they used so many fancy words and phrases that makes one think they know what they are talking about so their side must be right.

When in reality said lawyer never did any good defending or prosecuting in his statement.

(With no written agreement, is why there is no open and close case. However OP does have a case and can voice his concern. It is just dependant on the details most of us on here do not know of the situation and the specifics/earlier rulings in similar cases, that would make the case go 1 way or another in court)

1 thing is, depending on OPs state, since this lawsuit (a sale of contract in dispute) will be in common law territory, most common law cases (dependant on state) the prosecution cannot reap lawyer fees from the defendant(s). Only that the defendant must fulfill the originally instated agreement.

And, since this is a big company, they can easily hold out this case through waiting as long as possible to respond, tieing the case up for months if not years. In which that time a ban on such gun could happen, thus preventing them from completeing said sale. Getting them off the hook. Which then the OP would have to try to sue that they intentionally held out for law change (in which case OP would probably lose because of previous ruling cases) along with this one taking a year or 2.
 
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spidey07

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In all the other threads on the net about this, the lawyers chiming in say it's an open and shut case. OP isn't the only one, there are tons of threads on firearm sites about this with much more knowledgeable lawyers.

You simply cannot CHOOSE to not fulfill a purchase order/agreement if it is within your control to hold up your end of the transaction. You can't do that. If you could our entire country's business wouldn't work. Ever read a purchase order or sales agreement?
 
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diesbudt

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In all the other threads on the net about this, the lawyers chiming in say it's an open and shut case. OP isn't the only one, there are tons of threads on firearm sites about this with much more knowledgeable lawyers.

You simply cannot CHOOSE to not fulfill a purchase order/agreement if it is within your control to hold up your end of the transaction. You can't do that. If you could our entire country's business wouldn't work. Ever read a purchase order or sales agreement?

Lawyers chiming in on these are bad lawyers. A good lawyer knows NOT to speak about possible litigation happening ONLINE. Because it can reflect their career if/when proven wrong.

(not saying they are wrong. Just not a good lawyer)
 

SunnyD

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Only thing I really want to point out in your post (bolded)

Unable to be delivered is not the same as deciding no longer to deliver it. Hence why a case can be made. Because an agreement was broken. Now will OP win? Who knows. I have seen people win lawsuits that were 100x more outrageous.

Just stating that there is a difference between unable to and chose not to.

There's a reason I put the asterisk there. The onus is now on the OP/lawyer to prove that Dicks chose not to deliver it versus the alternative. All signs are pointing to that, but at this point it really is pure speculation.
 

diesbudt

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There's a reason I put the asterisk there. The onus is now on the OP/lawyer to prove that Dicks chose not to deliver it versus the alternative. All signs are pointing to that, but at this point it really is pure speculation.

Fair enough. I saw the asterisk and I assumed that is what it ment. You are right. Thank you for the clarification.

I would also like to point out 1 other thing.

If the seller and buyer agree upon a sale, yet the sale has not yet taken place. There is still a "contract" that can be broken. But is much easier for the seller to get out of than one where the buyer has already paid (such as the OP has as he stated)
 

HumblePie

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So it's a clear cut open and shut case? Doubtful. Depends on the lawyer(s), depends on the judge and his or her interpretation of the law and his or her view of gun control. There's a reason why good and bad lawyers exist...some schmuck like this who took this case will get destroyed by a big name firm that places like Dicks hire to represent them.

Who knows what contractual clauses Dicks has in place with Troy to cover their butts in cases like this, or for that matter, all their vendors. For all we know, they have an exit clause to sell back unused merchandise back to the original vendor at will, therefore making Dicks unable to deliver/fulfill existing orders. Still doesn't change the fact that the OP is grasping at straws.

To throw out the contract law crap, which is what the UCC covers and Dicks most certainly broke, we are using DTPA which is consumer laws and carries FAR more protections in Texas. Even if there was a sign at the time, DPTA doesn't allow that in Texas unless I physically sign a waiver to that effect.

So DSG broke both contract and consumer laws in Texas here over this deal. The consumer laws are far more broad in scope and protections though which is why my lawyer and I will be using those to settle this case. I've already linked the Texas DTPA laws for anyone to read through if they want.

As for those claiming to be lawyers on the internet. You certainly may be a lawyer, but arguing from a position of authority as if you know everything about this case as a armchair quarterback lawyer is a massive logic fallacy. Any lawyer in this thread claiming they already "know" the outcome is an awful lawyer. Because first rule of litigation is NOTHING is 100% certain. However, I'm fairly confident in my case having a favorable outcome for myself because of the facts and details I know about the case. Is there a small chance I could lose this? Sure, but it's a chance I'm willing to take. Why? Because the odds in heavily in my favor or getting what I want.

To the lawyers that think they are the smartest people in this thread. I highly doubt it. Being a lawyer doesn't automatically make you smarter than average. Not when it doesn't take more than a 2.5 GPA from an average student to get into a low tier law school, and pass the bar exam barely on the 2nd or 3rd time. Cause you know what? That is the AVERAGE lawyer right there. Sure there are smarter and more capable lawyers, but not every lawyer was a 4.0 Summa Cum Laude, aced the LSAT, got into Harvard or another tier 1 school, aced law school, aced the bar exam, and is now sitting armchair quarterback in these forums. For reference I did get Summa Cum Laude and did read through the same law material most law school student go through as I helped a family member get their law degree and later their PHd in it. So I have a bit of knowledge on this subject. I know I don't know everything about every law out there either. But I know how to investigate, look up laws, look up detail, look up precedents, and derive a logical conclusion from the evidence I have access to. The difference between the work I do with that and a "lawyer" is that I'm not trying to bill someone an outrageous sum of money for having some paralegal do the leg work and put face time into a court room.

In other words, there is a reason there are a lot of disparaging jokes regarding lawyers. Not all lawyers embody the sleazy, or intellectually deficient, false sense of mental superiority that seems to be trade mark characteristics of an average lawyer. Those I lawyers I respect and admire. Those, like many in this thread trying to armchair quarterback my case like they know what the hell they are talking about when it is in evidence they do not are very shameful.
 

preslove

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So it's a clear cut open and shut case? Doubtful. Depends on the lawyer(s), depends on the judge and his or her interpretation of the law and his or her view of gun control. There's a reason why good and bad lawyers exist...some schmuck like this who took this case will get destroyed by a big name firm that places like Dicks hire to represent them.

Who knows what contractual clauses Dicks has in place with Troy to cover their butts in cases like this, or for that matter, all their vendors. For all we know, they have an exit clause to sell back unused merchandise back to the original vendor at will, therefore making Dicks unable to deliver/fulfill existing orders. Still doesn't change the fact that the OP is grasping at straws.

Pretty much that.

It'll be funny if Dick's decides to settle for legal fees plus ~$300, leaving OP with a net loss. Given how much actually suing them would cost, I could see the lawyer saying "You can choose to continue on with new lawyers, but I can't keep this case going. I recommend you take the settlement, since I'm going to charge you a couple grand after I drop you."
 
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HumblePie

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Lawyers chiming in on these are bad lawyers. A good lawyer knows NOT to speak about possible litigation happening ONLINE. Because it can reflect their career if/when proven wrong.

(not saying they are wrong. Just not a good lawyer)


From various places on the net I've seen, the only lawyers speaking openly and actually presenting who they are on the internet in this debate are those that are siding against consumers. There are many people on the net stating what they are doing with their lawyer and what their lawyers told them, such as myself, but my lawyer isn't on the net speaking openly about the case. Nor have I seen any lawyer siding with the consumers doing so as they are going about their case.

As you stated, the bad ones are all claiming from the onset that the consumers are all wasting our time and money with this. They are openly presenting themselves in doing so. Why any lawyer would actually do this when they don't have a stake in the case is beyond me.
 

SunnyD

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HP: Don't worry too much about it. Simply put: ATOT doesn't have the FULL story and never will. The only thing we can do is make inferences based on what we have.

Only thing right now that matters is that we have a fun thread, some people will be on your side, some will call you a troll. That's all that you can guarantee from something like this. After all, this is the internet. And remember, you invited this upon yourself by posting it in the first place. ATOT isn't exactly designed be user friendly if you know what I mean.
 
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