Do I need Prime95 Stability?

firewolfsm

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My 144 is getting somewhat hot and the stock fan spins up to 3500RPM and makes a really bad vibration in the side of my case. If i lower the VCore from 1.475 to 1.45 it goes away and the processor will stay at or under 42C but it is only 14 mins Prime95 stable. It works in games and i havn't noticed any issues.
 

GuitarDaddy

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If it only makes it 14min in Prime it is not stable. It will crash on you at some time when you least expect it. A few mhz is not worth it, back it down a little until its stable.


Many people run 24/7 with a borderline stable system, but I just wouldn't do it. The lost or corrupted data that will happen at some point just isn't worth the few extra mhz.
 

WA261

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I have never used it and never plan on it. If you can run all of your games and apps with no problems....no need runnig it.
 
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Originally posted by: WA261
I have never used it and never plan on it. If you can run all of your games and apps with no problems....no need runnig it.

That's always been my practice too. Haven't bothered to run Prime95 on my current CPU/overclock, nor do I really care to - it runs all my games/programs fine and I just did a 15-hour encoding session hitting both cores at 100% with no problems.

Obviously there will be differing opinions on this though - only you can decide whether or not "Prime stability" is important to you.
 

WA261

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Yeah, some people are set on "If you cant run you oc on prime then it does not count" Yeah, ok.....I play and run any app I want without ever testing it with Prime. So, does that mean my oc does not count???? Oh no!!!!! *cries*
 

jiffylube1024

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Originally posted by: SynthDude2001
Originally posted by: WA261
I have never used it and never plan on it. If you can run all of your games and apps with no problems....no need runnig it.

That's always been my practice too. Haven't bothered to run Prime95 on my current CPU/overclock, nor do I really care to - it runs all my games/programs fine and I just did a 15-hour encoding session hitting both cores at 100% with no problems.

Obviously there will be differing opinions on this though - only you can decide whether or not "Prime stability" is important to you.


If you just did a 15 hour run of encoding with 100% CPU usage than chances are your CPU would be prime stable for hours and hours.

I'd recommend making sure your CPU is Prime stable for at least a couple of hours. Otheriwse it can crash or exhibit instability when you least expect it.

This might be a wakeup call that if you're going to overclock, you might want to get better cooling.
 

firewolfsm

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I know, it loads at 41C with 1.45V so it doesn't seem that important right now, i'm looking at the alpine 64 which should get it down to 37C which is perfectly fine.

edit: i lowered the FSB 2MHz and it's at 15 minutes and counting!
 

WA261

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So, IF you OC your CPU and cant pass Prime (I have never ran it) means it wont last, but if you run Prime and it passes then it will....Yeah.....sure. Running Prime has nothing to do with how long a CPU will last. OCing/voltage is what cuts the life....but who in the hell keeps a CPU for that long anyway???
 

robertk2012

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Originally posted by: SynthDude2001
Originally posted by: WA261
I have never used it and never plan on it. If you can run all of your games and apps with no problems....no need runnig it.

That's always been my practice too. Haven't bothered to run Prime95 on my current CPU/overclock, nor do I really care to - it runs all my games/programs fine and I just did a 15-hour encoding session hitting both cores at 100% with no problems.

Obviously there will be differing opinions on this though - only you can decide whether or not "Prime stability" is important to you.

How do you two know that your system wouldnt be prime stable if you dont use it? Then why are you giving advice to someone whose system is not prime stable. IT IS NOT STABLE. That should tell you right there not to do it. Will it shorten the life of your CPU? No. Will you experience other problems such as data corruption and restarts? Yes.
 

dguy6789

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The point is, if it errors in prime, the machine is not stable hardware wise. Understand that if your machine is not prime stable, it WILL(not maybe, it WILL) crash at some point. The cpu is making errors, and how that affects each program and when the errors occur may vary, but your machine will crash eventually. With Prime 95 stability(assuming no other part in your pc is unstable), the only time your pc would ever crash would be because of a software problem and not a hardware one.
 

WA261

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I dont care to use it, If I can run what I want then Im fine. Saying you will get "data corruption and restarts" just from not being prime stable, sorry. In some cases maybe, but not in all. I have seen tons of threads where guys run it and fail, but can run anything else perfectly, WITHOUT corruption and restarts for months and months. So saying that is just..well, YOUR opinion. If you want to use Prime then do, but it is not a must. A good OC (all apps and games run great) without running prime is a good OC..period.
 

Centoros

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If your processor is running unstable and you keep it that way, it will most certainly shorten the life of it. Anytime you run higher voltage on any processor shortens the life it. Period
 

Assimilator1

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Originally posted by: dguy6789
The point is, if it errors in prime, the machine is not stable hardware wise. Understand that if your machine is not prime stable, it WILL(not maybe, it WILL) crash at some point. The cpu is making errors, and how that affects each program and when the errors occur may vary, but your machine will crash eventually. With Prime 95 stability(assuming no other part in your pc is unstable), the only time your pc would ever crash would be because of a software problem and not a hardware one.

Exactly & robertk2012 has it spot on too.

WA261
Yes true but you might only know that after months of useage.
P95 will tell ya in a day.
Btw no running P95 makes no difference to CPU life.

If it can't pass P95 it isn't stable

SynthDude2001
Encoding is a good stabilty test in itself
Though isn't possible you'd only know of small errors when you actually come to watch/listen to the file? ,in which case you'd either have to live with it or do it again.

It isn't worth the potential agro to not run P95 to test your o/c rig in the 1st place ,especially if you run time intensive apps.
I guess for you by now though you would of seen/heard any encoding errors ,assuming you've been doing it for sometime....
 

WA261

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My rig is very stable. =) Have no idea if it would pass Prime, but I dont really care. I do understand the points being made. I am jusst saying it is NOT a must. As I said, I have seen many people be unstable in Prime (fail) and run for very long periods with no problems. I guess if you are worried you "might" get corruption or something, then run it. If you have faith off of all of the games you play and apps you run and all is well....then, there ya go.
 

firewolfsm

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Originally posted by: Centoros
If your processor is running unstable and you keep it that way, it will most certainly shorten the life of it. Anytime you run higher voltage on any processor shortens the life it. Period

the point is that i was running a LOW VCore.
Anyways, i lowered 2 more MHz (currently at 2554MHz) and it's been going on for 43 minutes so far. It's odd how 2MHz brought me from 16 minutes to at least 45 minutes.
 

HmmmDonut

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Originally posted by: firewolfsm
Originally posted by: Centoros
If your processor is running unstable and you keep it that way, it will most certainly shorten the life of it. Anytime you run higher voltage on any processor shortens the life it. Period

the point is that i was running a LOW VCore.
Anyways, i lowered 2 more MHz (currently at 2554MHz) and it's been going on for 43 minutes so far. It's odd how 2MHz brought me from 16 minutes to at least 45 minutes.

45 minutes is not stable. 12+ hours is stable. Why don't you just lower your overclock till you can prime at stock volts for alteast 24 hours. 200mhz or so is not noticeable unless you bench all day. (Which I know you don't)
 

996GT2

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I'd say you could probably run your Opteron at 2.5 GHz with the same vCore and get pretty good stability. Maybe you need to raise your vCore a bit more tho and get a better cooler (so you don't get vibration problems), because 1.45 is really a bit on the low side, as most people with 2.6+ GHz overclocks tend to have over 1.5V, especially on air cooling.
 

lopri

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This Prime95 debate is really getting old.. I think someone should make a sticky about it so newcomers and experts as well can have some common ground. In the end, everything is subjective so if someone doesn't think Prime95 is important and s/he has no problem with daily use of the system, that is "stable". How many machines "in the world" would stress the CPUs 100%, or even 10% all the time? Most office systems are probably idling 80% of the time and the other 20% of the time the CPU utilization is probably 5~10%. For them, Prime95 is meaningless.

Now, if we talk about a render farm or servers, or even a personal computer while intensive gaming or encoding, etc. then the stability becomes something. Remember, any components or even software can cause a system crash. It doesn't necessarily a stressed CPU that's responsible for a system instability. Now, in this community, we're hardware enthusiasts and in order to communicate, we need a sort of agreement which we discuss things upon. Prime95 has been used for such a long time, and became a de-facto standard for stability testing for CPUs. If an individual disagrees and again, s/he has no problem with his machine even though the machine doesn't pass Prime95 for 10 mins, then it's probably fine by her/him. And we shouldn't judge(?) her/his machine. Also it's a well known fact that often times Prime stable is not equalt to 3D stable. Also, while you're Priming your system, someone comes in from outside and turn your house heat up to 85F, and your system which was doinng Prime for 24 hours fails, then is that machine not stable?

The essence of my argument is this: If someone doesn't feel the need/importance of Prime95, then it's fine by itself. However, when you come to the public (a community like AT) and want to brag about your OC'ing and the stability of your rig, be prepared to be asked "Where is the dual-Prime95 shot?" Prime95 has acquired its status as stability test through many, many years by many, many people, and it indeed has co-relation with a system's stability. You can be satisfied by yourself while playing your favorite game with a sky-high OC'ing, but without Prime95 or something in that sort, it ends there and you should still be content by it.

If you can play your games and do whatever you want without Prime95 test, then what's the problem? But the thing is, we're not interested in what game you play and how much you're enjoying the specific game with your overclocked rig. Some might not like the game you play, some might not have a similar setup as yours. So here comes the Prime95 as a stability test. And it's a damn good one for that.

Prime95 as a common ground, a starting point for discussion. That's the point. Without that communication is impossible. If you're happy with your OC without Prime95, then that's it. You're happy. But once you come out(!) and say "Look at my supadupamegaultraeatmyass OC!", then be prepared to hear "Show us the Prime"!


 

firewolfsm

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I said it had been going on for 45 minutes, i'm at 1h 15mins now, if it gets to 4 hours i will be happy. Thanks for the advice.
 

One43637

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Originally posted by: firewolfsm
Well, it lasted 16 and a half minutes. I'll lower it 2MHz again

there's something terribly wrong if you can't go over 17 minutes without it crashing on Prime95.

stability is measured in different ways with different people. Prime95 or SP2004 is just an easy way for people to agree on measuring system stability. i personaly run SP2004 on both cores for 8+ hours to give me peace of mind in regards to my system's stability.

if you don't want to run Prime95, what's forcing you?
 

furballi

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If the system is Prime95 stable for only 14 minutes, then back-off the FSB by 7 to 10MHz and retest.
 

GuitarDaddy

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Originally posted by: firewolfsm
Originally posted by: Centoros
If your processor is running unstable and you keep it that way, it will most certainly shorten the life of it. Anytime you run higher voltage on any processor shortens the life it. Period

the point is that i was running a LOW VCore.
Anyways, i lowered 2 more MHz (currently at 2554MHz) and it's been going on for 43 minutes so far. It's odd how 2MHz brought me from 16 minutes to at least 45 minutes.


Yep, stability seems to be a pretty thin line, just a few mhz.

And you can run close but less than prime stable for months or even years and never see a blip, but it's also very possible/inevitable to have a crash at some point, especially when doing long cpu intense apps.

And with changes in ambient temp, and dust collecting in the HSF the stability point will fluctuate so its always good to stay a few mhz below prime stable IMO. And the performance difference between a few CPU mhz(especially in GPU intense games) is so negligable it makes no sense to risk the possibility of a crash
 
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