do you into motorbikes?

DigDog

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i also into motorbikes.


im due for my initial riding test next week, and the final exam maybe a month later. i've ridden before, just .. things. my license expired. its easier for me to re-do it here in the UK - land of rain - than to queue for weeks in italy.

Im just really deciding what to get; used bike, not new.
 

pauldun170

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What style bike are you interested in? What type of riding do you want to do?
Are you prepared for everyone to tell you "buy 250cc-300cc""

Have you started pricing out gear? Helmet, Gloves, boots, jacket, pants?
 
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CZroe

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What style bike are you interested in? What type of riding do you want to do?
Are you prepared for everyone to tell you "buy 250cc-300cc""

Have you started pricing out gear? Helmet, Gloves, boots, jacket, pants?
He should only consider the 2-cylinder 250-400 bikes if he's going to consider the advice at all. He will resent something like a CBR250R.

This assumes he isn't looking for something dual-purpose like a KLX250.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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You really don't know what type of riding you're into until your first bike. Youts are always determined to buy the best possible bike without any real criteria as to what they're looking for. I recommend buying a cheap ass bike that catches your eye, riding for 6 months or so and, then deciding what type of bike you're looking for. Experience is the greatest teacher. Start small.
 

Fenixgoon

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What style bike are you interested in? What type of riding do you want to do?
Are you prepared for everyone to tell you "buy 250cc-300cc""

Have you started pricing out gear? Helmet, Gloves, boots, jacket, pants?

250-300cc is plenty for a beginner bike. better to ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow. i think more important than strictly engine size is the linearity of the throttle response. a mildly tuned ~600cc twin or four (SV650, yamaha FZ6R or similar) is more than enough to have lots of fun and passing power without "i accidentally grabbed the throttle and wheelied down the highway for 5 miles" and "i can hit 100 in 1st gear"
 

highland145

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'sup @Fenixgoon

I have little to add but old age. 30 years ago, buddy and I wanted GSXR 1100...with no experience. We'd be dead or invalids. AT's loss. Be smart 1st, OP.
 

Midwayman

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I loved my motorcycle, but nowhere to ride around here. Too much traffic, all the roads are straight and flat. If I ever move somewhere its worth owning one I'll do it again.
 

deadlyapp

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Rode a handful of different bikes over the years but haven't had one for about 8 years now. Moved too many times while I was in California and riding in LA would have been recipe for disaster.

Now I'm in Texas and it's just too damn hot most of the time to want to ride, or too unpredictable with rain.

Ninja 250
Ducati 748
Triumph Street Triple 675
 

spdfreak

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Hard to beat a Street Triple... But a Duke 390 is one of the most fun bikes around. The bigger Dukes are also great bikes. For me, I'm still in love with my Yamaha RZ350's.
 

DigDog

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well, the day has come. I will be going out this weekend to secure my pick - a 2004 Aprilia Falco - 118hp L-twin "dad bike", uses a detuned version of the RSV engine. it's dirty cheap, $3k. Fitted with some bonus gear (new ohlins rear, new tires, chain oiler, alarm) and spotless. 18k miles.

at the same time for less than $4k I saw being advertised a 2007 (?) CBR1000RR with EVERYTHING, like $7k worth of work on it, carbon fiber tank, new forks, new rear, powercommander, titanium pegs, just everything you could want, and absolutely immaculate, but frankly I do not want to own a 180hp beast - im not of that age anymore, I want something that can go fast but that won't force your hand.

here she is:
 

DigDog

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the following bikes have been considered (all prices in GBP)

twins

Suzuki TL1000R
this is a 1998 L-twin with 134hp but originally had a really bad rear shock, however many can be found with rebuilt engines and aftermarket shocks. However the asking price is around 4k - too much for the mileage - and you can get better stuff for less.
Honda VTR SP1
the sports production version of the Firestorm, with better everything, also 130hp engine L-twin, but not easy to find one for less than 5k, which Is 848 money.
Ducati 848
which is still my N1 pick, however they are often overpriced (for 2007 bikes) at well over 5k starting (up to 9k for some 2012 EVO, same as new). Mind you, you can get a 1098 for 5k, and im on a strict budget. Also, while they are amazing rider bikes, they are tiring for long distances, so a 1k mile trip is not a great idea.
And the maintenance is expensive, although not as much as some urban myths go.
Guzzi 1100 Sport
a beauty, the sound of a Harley, the style of a café racer, and a decent 90hp, make for a super-solid and comfy long-distance bike that can also handle traffic. they are ridiculously overengineered and indestructible, but it's stone-age tech and frankly not worth the 4k asking price and the fact that I'd have to get out of England to actually buy one.
Aprilia RSV Factory or RSV R
dirt cheap, you get an amazing frame, amazing suspensions, amazing breaks, plus gorgeous design for 3k, but they are built to race and to race only, they engine is completely empty down low.



pretty much everything else was also considered; ZX6R for being super comfy at both speeds and in traffic, a reasonable amount of power that won't kill you, and dirt cheap at around 1600 GBP, my N2 pick. Same for the 2007/2008 CBR600R, which however does cost more.
triumph Daytona 675 3-cylinder as being the best of the 4-inline 600s due to it A. not being a 4-inline and B. not being a 600, more torque, better power range, a great chassis, lightweight, and my N3 pick. However they start around 4k and frankly if I am going to get a bike like that I might as well go the whole hog and buy a 848/1098.
I entertained the idea of going back to the superblackbird or to other big stuff like the fireblade or gsxr1000 but im too old for that, they are dangerous bikes that need 100% concentration to ride.

I would not have minded riding again my GPZ900R but they are considered collectors items these days and the asking price of 4k + is insane.





if it's not totally clear already, I can ride. this will not be my first bike.

so, in the end I picked a bike that is not my N1, N2 or N3 pick. why?

the falco has just the right amount of power, and power delivery. it's a twin, so good torque, and while I don't want a racing engine as the RSV, the detuned version would do me just fine. it's got decently modern frame and suspensions, a pillion seat, it's agile enough to work well in traffic, but has a comfortable riding position for long hauls. it's cheap, in good conditions, and it's not a bike where everything is pushed to the limit and likely to suffer a catastrophic failure - although it's nowhere near the tank that the guzzi is.
And finally, it's got those looks that don't make people want to steal it.

I swear, the only think really stopping me from buying a 848 or a 1098 is that I KNOW it's gonna get stolen, and my heart just cannot afford that to happen again.
 
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DigDog

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the one in the photo. it's a 2004 aprilia falco in near immaculate conditions.

but before we talk about that, you need to hear this. i meet this guy in a storage park, he's a professional seller of second hand bikes, and keeps them in shipping containers. in this container he's got 6 bikes, as pulls out my aprilia, i see something ...

this guy got a 50th Anniversary VFR, number 0 of 50.
the prototype.

VFRs were ruined by honda after the 1998 version, as they added VTEC changing radically the way the bike behaves. But not this, this is a top spec VFR with the most modern version of the original engine, with nearly 0 miles, in absolutely mint conditions.
Still today people will tell you to get the 1998 VFR, and if you want that sort of thing, this is the holy grail of VFR lovers.


anyway, my aprilia was 2500 GBP which works out at 3070 USD. i can save that much in 3 months so totally affordable. Comes with 18k miles on it, all logged. spotless, rear shock was upgraded to a ohlins (a common mod on this bike) which on its own is 600 GBP. Has a pillion seat, all the original tools, documents, tires should last a year. basically it's been barely broken in, i expect to be able to put 50k miles on it.

I mean, my first bike was a piece of s* guzzi from 1972 and it ran without having ever seen any maintenance.
my GPZ900R had god knows, 60k? miles and again, it ran fine.

118hp and torquey L-twin is exactly what i want from a bike. not too little not too much, although i reserve judgement until i drive it. funny thing, i gotta wait until the end of the month as it needs a MOT test (roadworthy test for the UK), insurance, change of owner, and i also need to complete my UK driving license.

the clutch is inferior to a ducati but then so is every clutch.

mirrors will need replacing by something that doesnt suck.

everything else is fine. i love the double-bubble windscreen.
 

DigDog

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i also went to a local store called motolegends to pick up a pair of stylmartin boots, tried them on, hated them.
tried on some TCX hero boots, loved them. bought them.
 

WhiteNoise

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Been riding for near 40 years, 26 years on street. I've owned around 14 bikes over those years. I sold my last sportbike around 4-5 years ago. Ride a Harley now. Keeping it calm.

Thats a nice bike. Keep the rubber side down!
 

pauldun170

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Owned an 85 GPZ900r back in the 90's and it was my first sportbike. Sold it to some guy looking for the "top gun bike".
Still have a service manual for it. Replaced it with a 93 ZX11D and the lineage was apparent in the service manual. That things has been sitting in my garage for the past decade.
It's interesting that if I kept the GPz it would be worth more than the ZX11.

Enjoy the new ride.

(middle aged man with an 08 CBR1k)
 

Kromil32

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All I can say is take the class and don't be a speed demon. Don't speed at all, being on the motorcycle is fun enough, don't risk your life while also being an asshole. If you find yourself getting really comfortable on the bike and start pushing it, you will fuck yourself up. I've seen it far more times than I wish I had (which I wish I never had seen it at all).If you looking for some parts about average quality, not ceramic, like on page , but also not the bottom of the barrel. Check it!
 
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JulesMaximus

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The thing that scares me with Aprilia is a) It's Italian, b) it is not a very common bike so parts may be hard to find, c) Aprilia dealership network has to be worse (meaning fewer and farther between) than pretty much any other motorcycle brand out there.

I've had decent luck with Ducati. I still have my 2014 Multistrada 1200 S. I love that bike.
 

Ackmed

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The thing that scares me with Aprilia is a) It's Italian, b) it is not a very common bike so parts may be hard to find, c) Aprilia dealership network has to be worse (meaning fewer and farther between) than pretty much any other motorcycle brand out there.

I've had decent luck with Ducati. I still have my 2014 Multistrada 1200 S. I love that bike.

These are valid concerns. I took them into account when I got my new bike too, a Moto Guzzi. But it is just the bike I wanted. Have an Italian car too, figured why not. Almost everyone around here has a Harley, have yet to see one of these. Had to buy online as there is not a dealership around here. Black, carbon fiber, and some red accents is what got me. I have changed a few things since these pics, I have a taller wind shield, and took off the back seat and put a carbon fiber piece that slopes down matching the rest of the back end. Next up is some carbon fiber pipes, and black brake/clutch levers. About as far as I am gonna go. I like the look as is and dont want to change it too much.



 

JulesMaximus

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I have over 16,000 miles on this bike. I've had a couple minor issues with it but it has never left me stranded (touch wood). It is like a tall sport bike but with comfy ergonomics. I absolutely love it.

 

DigDog

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well I'm in Europe so Italian parts aren't terribly difficult to come by - have a local aprilia dealer and tuner too. I'm also Italian so I can get on the phone for parts, or look online at Italy-based 2nd hand publications.

honestly I may have been a bit hasty but it was so cheap ..

incidentally, I'm still without a license, I passed my MOD 1 (closed-circuit driving) test yesterday, but I still need to do the MOD 2 (on-the-road driving) before I can pick her up - at this time she's still in storage with the seller.

Boss changed my rota, sent me an email on my days off, I come back to work to find I'm doing a 9PM-8AM shift on the same day of my test, that I have to wake up at 7AM to go to .. yay. But, that's all in the past now.
 
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