Do you support gun control?

[Specop 007]

Just curious, do you support gun control? I dont mean outlandish things, such as a citizen shouldnt be allowed to buy a 155mm howitzer, I mean the normal lines of gun control the .gov tries to ram down our throat, such as no 30 round mags or no short barreled rifles or no full auto weapons or no steel cored bullets etc etc.....

 

[Stumps]

no, but unfortunatly I live in a country where it is illegal to own any sort of firearm or really any object that can be deemed a weapon, eg metal baseball bats, swords, most types of knifes, 99% of martial arts weaponary.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I would only restrict gun ownership for convicted felons. I would put teeth in laws where a gun is used in a crime.

 

[JackStorm]

No. The people need to be armed to be able to rise up against an oppressive government. They should also be able to put a cap in the ass of anyone who tries to invade their home.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Partial, but I think government's biggest role is to make sure felons don't get a hold of them over the counter. I think Americans should have some sense of self-control over what they buy though. Why in the blue hell do you need a armor-piercing, automatic weapon what turkey hunting? The question is... what's next? Grenade launchers to go deer hunting?

But seriously, it's a valid question: what weapon goes over the top?

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Partial, but I think government's biggest role is to make sure felons don't get a hold of them over the counter. I think Americans should have some sense of self-control over what they buy though. Why in the blue hell do you need a armor-piercing, automatic weapon what turkey hunting? The question is... what's next? Grenade launchers to go deer hunting?

But seriously, it's a valid question: what weapon goes over the top?

At the levels of weapons you describe, its not about need. Its about want. Much like we want a faster PC or video card. We dont NEED one, we can use what we have, but isnt it nice?
Same with full auto weapons and grenade launchers. Trust me, your average street criminal will never in his life have enough cash saved up to buy a full auto weapon. The cheapest I've heard of is around 4 grand if you get lucky and shop hard, and thats for an Uzi. The nice FA weapons will set you back around $15,000. Thats well out of range of any common criminal, and out of range of most law abiding citizens. Having 15 grand to drop on whats essentially a toy is ALOT of money.
And the creme de la creme of fun guns? You'll put multiple Ferrari's in your garage for what they run, assuming you can even find one for sale.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Partial, but I think government's biggest role is to make sure felons don't get a hold of them over the counter. I think Americans should have some sense of self-control over what they buy though. Why in the blue hell do you need a armor-piercing, automatic weapon what turkey hunting? The question is... what's next? Grenade launchers to go deer hunting?

But seriously, it's a valid question: what weapon goes over the top?

At the levels of weapons you describe, its not about need. Its about want. Much like we want a faster PC or video card. We dont NEED one, we can use what we have, but isnt it nice?
Same with full auto weapons and grenade launchers. Trust me, your average street criminal will never in his life have enough cash saved up to buy a full auto weapon. The cheapest I've heard of is around 4 grand if you get lucky and shop hard, and thats for an Uzi. The nice FA weapons will set you back around $15,000. Thats well out of range of any common criminal, and out of range of most law abiding citizens. Having 15 grand to drop on whats essentially a toy is ALOT of money.
And the creme de la creme of fun guns? You'll put multiple Ferrari's in your garage for what they run, assuming you can even find one for sale.

That may be very true. I'm not a huge gun control fanatic by any stretch of the imagination. My biggest thing is that the government should do everything in its power to keep them out of the hands of criminals. Other than that, I do have a huge problem with people owning guns.

 

[3chordcharlie]

I'm mixed on gun control. I have no problem with hunting rifles, but even though I'm not a criminal, people owning guns for 'protection' makes me less safe.

Selfishly, I therefore would prefer people did not do this.

Edit - I'm fine with people owning whatever they want, if it's for collection/display purposes (i.e. NO AMMO), or if the gun is used at a shooting range of some sort (in which case if it was designed to kill people, I think it should have to stay on those premises, which should be well guarded).

 

[Darkhawk28]

I think more education as to how to keep guns out of the hands of children is neccessary.

 

[imported_Condor]

Having a registered gun means that if the law has an issue with you, the SWAT van shows up. If you didn't have a registered gun, only a lone officer would show up! The Elian Gonzales assault was caused, according to the press, by the neighbor in the house behind the Gonzales house having a registered weapon.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
I would only restrict gun ownership for convicted felons. I would put teeth in laws where a gun is used in a crime.

It is already restricted for felons and penalities are already much greater where guns are used in a crime. This must mean that you are happy with the gun laws that exist today.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Partial, but I think government's biggest role is to make sure felons don't get a hold of them over the counter. I think Americans should have some sense of self-control over what they buy though. Why in the blue hell do you need a armor-piercing, automatic weapon what turkey hunting? The question is... what's next? Grenade launchers to go deer hunting?

But seriously, it's a valid question: what weapon goes over the top?

In the event radio signals don't reach the cave, armor-piercing, automatic weapons are already illegal.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Partial, but I think government's biggest role is to make sure felons don't get a hold of them over the counter. I think Americans should have some sense of self-control over what they buy though. Why in the blue hell do you need a armor-piercing, automatic weapon what turkey hunting? The question is... what's next? Grenade launchers to go deer hunting?

But seriously, it's a valid question: what weapon goes over the top?

At the levels of weapons you describe, its not about need. Its about want. Much like we want a faster PC or video card. We dont NEED one, we can use what we have, but isnt it nice?
Same with full auto weapons and grenade launchers. Trust me, your average street criminal will never in his life have enough cash saved up to buy a full auto weapon. The cheapest I've heard of is around 4 grand if you get lucky and shop hard, and thats for an Uzi. The nice FA weapons will set you back around $15,000. Thats well out of range of any common criminal, and out of range of most law abiding citizens. Having 15 grand to drop on whats essentially a toy is ALOT of money.
And the creme de la creme of fun guns? You'll put multiple Ferrari's in your garage for what they run, assuming you can even find one for sale.

Unless the criminal gets it in his last drug shipment! You can buy them pretty cheap in most overseas countries, some of Western Europe exempted, of course. You could buy almost anything you wanted in Ukraine, for instance. CHEAP!

 

[0roo0roo]

reasonable control..background checks etc. not the current system of massive loopholes and such.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Partial, but I think government's biggest role is to make sure felons don't get a hold of them over the counter. I think Americans should have some sense of self-control over what they buy though. Why in the blue hell do you need a armor-piercing, automatic weapon what turkey hunting? The question is... what's next? Grenade launchers to go deer hunting?

But seriously, it's a valid question: what weapon goes over the top?

At the levels of weapons you describe, its not about need. Its about want. Much like we want a faster PC or video card. We dont NEED one, we can use what we have, but isnt it nice?
Same with full auto weapons and grenade launchers. Trust me, your average street criminal will never in his life have enough cash saved up to buy a full auto weapon. The cheapest I've heard of is around 4 grand if you get lucky and shop hard, and thats for an Uzi. The nice FA weapons will set you back around $15,000. Thats well out of range of any common criminal, and out of range of most law abiding citizens. Having 15 grand to drop on whats essentially a toy is ALOT of money.
And the creme de la creme of fun guns? You'll put multiple Ferrari's in your garage for what they run, assuming you can even find one for sale.

That may be very true. I'm not a huge gun control fanatic by any stretch of the imagination. My biggest thing is that the government should do everything in its power to keep them out of the hands of criminals. Other than that, I do have a huge problem with people owning guns.

Lets see, a positive and a negative equal a what?

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Partial, but I think government's biggest role is to make sure felons don't get a hold of them over the counter. I think Americans should have some sense of self-control over what they buy though. Why in the blue hell do you need a armor-piercing, automatic weapon what turkey hunting? The question is... what's next? Grenade launchers to go deer hunting?

But seriously, it's a valid question: what weapon goes over the top?

In the event radio signals don't reach the cave, armor-piercing, automatic weapons are already illegal.

Finish your bottle of Metamucil, stop, think... I know they're illegal, just trying to illustrate that there may have to have some limits.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: JackStorm
The people need to be armed to be able to rise up against an oppressive government.

Aren't those people the ones supporting "big" military as well?

 

[Rhin0]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Partial, but I think government's biggest role is to make sure felons don't get a hold of them over the counter. I think Americans should have some sense of self-control over what they buy though. Why in the blue hell do you need a armor-piercing, automatic weapon what turkey hunting? The question is... what's next? Grenade launchers to go deer hunting?

But seriously, it's a valid question: what weapon goes over the top?

In the event radio signals don't reach the cave, armor-piercing, automatic weapons are already illegal.

Finish your bottle of Metamucil, stop, think... I know they're illegal, just trying to illustrate that there may have to have some limits.

They aren't illegal under a few circumstances (the "Machine guns" that is). You can be a corporation and own one, private owner with a tax stamp deal (pre-86)/class II/class III, Class II/Class III dealer/manuf. Also AP ammo isn't exactly "illegal". I have some 7.62N AP "black tips" to designate they have a steel or tung penetrator. I don't ever even shoot it though, it is a collectors item basically. Also I have about a thousand rounds of Norinco steel core 7.62x39 for AK, mild core but still. I'm not exactly sure what centerfire rifle ISN'T armor piercing. I mean it doesn't exactly do a number or hardened steel but it still penetrates most normal things.

That being said. I am a collector/shoot of all types of firearms and I do not support heavy gun control. I think the instant check isn't a bad thing at all, selling to mental health patients is absurd, cheap guns aka "saturday night specials" should be restricted or done away with (they serve no purpose to collectors and the argument that is discrimates against people who need cheap protection is bs, I wouldn't trust one with my life). I think the current laws need to be enforced and guns need to be kept out of the hands of the criminals.

On top of that i'm glad the "assault weapons ban is over". Since that ended I have taken the guns that I bought cheaper DURING the ban than before it started and was able to put the true muzzle device on it that goes off and on. Makes me really laugh and see how ridiculous and hollow that ban really was.

 

[Tommunist]

Originally posted by: JackStorm
No. The people need to be armed to be able to rise up against an oppressive government. They should also be able to put a cap in the ass of anyone who tries to invade their home.

That's a nice thought but guns alone won't do the trick. We'd need cruise missles, stingers, fighter jets, tanks, battleships, subs, extensive and well set up intelligence feeds. Even if we gave every person in the US a gun our military could still kick the sh!te out of us. The chance of a violent overthrow of the gov't is pretty much nill unless some people in the military decide to side with the people and not the gov't.

as to gun control - I don't have a major problem with how it is now. some restrictions but not entirely restrictive. personally, I most likely would only own a gun unless it was for hunting (which I presently don't have time to do but those deer better look out b/c I know they are delicious). The idea of owning one for protection in my house seems fairly unreasonable b/c to be honest I'm not sure if I could kill someone and if you pull out a gun you better be able to. I know a lot of people like to act tough about this but I really doubt most people are ready to do real killing. a lot of people couldn't even shoot a deer - nm a person. In general I just really question the safety issue that having one can protect you. I don't know if it means anything but MA has some of the most restrictive gun laws. It's a real bitch for me to even own one, nm carry it around. As far as I know MA has one of the lowest homocide rates from guns as any other state. I'm more worried about someone driving over me than I am getting shot (and if you saw the way people drove around Boston you'd understand why!).

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Partial, but I think government's biggest role is to make sure felons don't get a hold of them over the counter. I think Americans should have some sense of self-control over what they buy though. Why in the blue hell do you need a armor-piercing, automatic weapon what turkey hunting? The question is... what's next? Grenade launchers to go deer hunting?

But seriously, it's a valid question: what weapon goes over the top?

At the levels of weapons you describe, its not about need. Its about want. Much like we want a faster PC or video card. We dont NEED one, we can use what we have, but isnt it nice?
Same with full auto weapons and grenade launchers. Trust me, your average street criminal will never in his life have enough cash saved up to buy a full auto weapon. The cheapest I've heard of is around 4 grand if you get lucky and shop hard, and thats for an Uzi. The nice FA weapons will set you back around $15,000. Thats well out of range of any common criminal, and out of range of most law abiding citizens. Having 15 grand to drop on whats essentially a toy is ALOT of money.
And the creme de la creme of fun guns? You'll put multiple Ferrari's in your garage for what they run, assuming you can even find one for sale.

You don't need a fast video card, but you don't need a M-60 either. Fact, a M-60 is used to kill people and a video card isn't.

There is NO reason why anyone needs to own a M-60. Crimes with these weapons rarley happen, but they have.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Tabb

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Partial, but I think government's biggest role is to make sure felons don't get a hold of them over the counter. I think Americans should have some sense of self-control over what they buy though. Why in the blue hell do you need a armor-piercing, automatic weapon what turkey hunting? The question is... what's next? Grenade launchers to go deer hunting?

But seriously, it's a valid question: what weapon goes over the top?

At the levels of weapons you describe, its not about need. Its about want. Much like we want a faster PC or video card. We dont NEED one, we can use what we have, but isnt it nice?
Same with full auto weapons and grenade launchers. Trust me, your average street criminal will never in his life have enough cash saved up to buy a full auto weapon. The cheapest I've heard of is around 4 grand if you get lucky and shop hard, and thats for an Uzi. The nice FA weapons will set you back around $15,000. Thats well out of range of any common criminal, and out of range of most law abiding citizens. Having 15 grand to drop on whats essentially a toy is ALOT of money.
And the creme de la creme of fun guns? You'll put multiple Ferrari's in your garage for what they run, assuming you can even find one for sale.

You don't need a fast video card, but you don't need a M-60 either. Fact, a M-60 is used to kill people and a video card isn't.

There is NO reason why anyone needs to own a M-60. Crimes with these weapons rarley happen, but they have.

There has been about one crime ever committed with a registered NFA weapon.

Overly restrictive gun laws only serve to disarm the law abiding.

 

[Brackis]

I'm going to use bullet points to make my statement clear, and make a pun

-Everyone should be required to go through an extensive gun training course before purchasing a gun, the same way a 16 year old takes Drivers-Ed and then has to pass a written and driving test. On top of the basic course for rifle and shotgun ownership, further training would be required for handgun ownership and any specialized weapon.

-All guns sold, and all owners should be put in a federal database which includes the ID'ing of guns based on its unique case markings.

-Anyone who has served jailed time for any crime should not be allowed to own a handun.

-All automatic or select-fire weapons must be stored at a licensed gun range (they serve zero purpose outside of target shooting)

Other than that, shoot away! Everyone has the right from birth to own a gun this way, as long as they abide by the rules of our country.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: JackStorm
The people need to be armed to be able to rise up against an oppressive government.

Aren't those people the ones supporting "big" military as well?

How do you think we got our weapons training?

 

[Brackis]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: JackStorm
The people need to be armed to be able to rise up against an oppressive government.

Aren't those people the ones supporting "big" military as well?

How do you think we got our weapons training?

Basic Training like every other minion? (minions being the others, not a shot at you)

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Partial, but I think government's biggest role is to make sure felons don't get a hold of them over the counter. I think Americans should have some sense of self-control over what they buy though. Why in the blue hell do you need a armor-piercing, automatic weapon what turkey hunting? The question is... what's next? Grenade launchers to go deer hunting?

But seriously, it's a valid question: what weapon goes over the top?

No, you need it for what jackstorm said: to have some chance of stopping an oppressive government.