Originally posted by: Brackis
I'm going to use bullet points to make my statement clear, and make a pun
-Everyone should be required to go through an extensive gun training course before purchasing a gun, the same way a 16 year old takes Drivers-Ed and then has to pass a written and driving test. On top of the basic course for rifle and shotgun ownership, further training would be required for handgun ownership and any specialized weapon.
I received extensive training about firearms growing up. A class does not need to be required
-All guns sold, and all owners should be put in a federal database which includes the ID'ing of guns based on its unique case markings.
That will make it so much easier to collect them when they become outlawed. No thanks.
-Anyone who has served jailed time for any crime should not be allowed to own a handun.
Definatly for violent crimes, but not for someone who failed to pay a parking ticket.
-All automatic or select-fire weapons must be stored at a licensed gun range (they serve zero purpose outside of target shooting)
The right to bear arms is not about target shooting or hunting, it is about defending ourselfs from a goverment that has got out of control. I hav eno problem with people owning automatic weapons and storing them in their house.
Other than that, shoot away! Everyone has the right from birth to own a gun this way, as long as they abide by the rules of our country.
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Brackis
I'm going to use bullet points to make my statement clear, and make a pun
-Everyone should be required to go through an extensive gun training course before purchasing a gun, the same way a 16 year old takes Drivers-Ed and then has to pass a written and driving test. On top of the basic course for rifle and shotgun ownership, further training would be required for handgun ownership and any specialized weapon.
I received extensive training about firearms growing up. A class does not need to be required
-All guns sold, and all owners should be put in a federal database which includes the ID'ing of guns based on its unique case markings.
That will make it so much easier to collect them when they become outlawed. No thanks.
-Anyone who has served jailed time for any crime should not be allowed to own a handun.
Definatly for violent crimes, but not for someone who failed to pay a parking ticket.
-All automatic or select-fire weapons must be stored at a licensed gun range (they serve zero purpose outside of target shooting)
The right to bear arms is not about target shooting or hunting, it is about defending ourselfs from a goverment that has got out of control. I hav eno problem with people owning automatic weapons and storing them in their house.
Other than that, shoot away! Everyone has the right from birth to own a gun this way, as long as they abide by the rules of our country.
The rule being, the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infrindged.
Originally posted by: AntaresVI
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Brackis
I'm going to use bullet points to make my statement clear, and make a pun
-Everyone should be required to go through an extensive gun training course before purchasing a gun, the same way a 16 year old takes Drivers-Ed and then has to pass a written and driving test. On top of the basic course for rifle and shotgun ownership, further training would be required for handgun ownership and any specialized weapon.
I received extensive training about firearms growing up. A class does not need to be required
-All guns sold, and all owners should be put in a federal database which includes the ID'ing of guns based on its unique case markings.
That will make it so much easier to collect them when they become outlawed. No thanks.
-Anyone who has served jailed time for any crime should not be allowed to own a handun.
Definatly for violent crimes, but not for someone who failed to pay a parking ticket.
-All automatic or select-fire weapons must be stored at a licensed gun range (they serve zero purpose outside of target shooting)
The right to bear arms is not about target shooting or hunting, it is about defending ourselfs from a goverment that has got out of control. I hav eno problem with people owning automatic weapons and storing them in their house.
Other than that, shoot away! Everyone has the right from birth to own a gun this way, as long as they abide by the rules of our country.
The rule being, the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infrindged.
Well, the only things I'd disagree with are education and registration. What's the harm in demonstrating knowledge of good gun safety? What if it was set up such that those who already claimed to know the required info could take a test or other evaluation, while those in need could take a course?
Second, what's wrong with registration? Cars are registered according to unique information, and no one says that they will be taken more easily someday. I realize the huge differences between guns and cars, however if the best argument against gun registration that you have is a slippery-slope, I think it just makes sense to register guns. It would certainly make criminals think twice about stealing a gun and using it to commit a crime.
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Brackis
I'm going to use bullet points to make my statement clear, and make a pun
-Everyone should be required to go through an extensive gun training course before purchasing a gun, the same way a 16 year old takes Drivers-Ed and then has to pass a written and driving test. On top of the basic course for rifle and shotgun ownership, further training would be required for handgun ownership and any specialized weapon.
I received extensive training about firearms growing up. A class does not need to be required
Just because you are the demi-god of firearms doesn't mean everyone shouldn't have to show knowledge. Does Jeff Gordon not have to have insurance or a license to drive on the highway like everyone else? No, be quiet and get in line because everything isn't going to cater to you.
-All guns sold, and all owners should be put in a federal database which includes the ID'ing of guns based on its unique case markings.
That will make it so much easier to collect them when they become outlawed. No thanks.
Why then, if you assume guns will be outlawed, do you bother to abide by any gun laws, or laws of this country for that matter? Do you plan on running into the mountains and using guerilla tactics to hide unlicensed guns if the secret police come to take away your trap shooting gun?
-Anyone who has served jailed time for any crime should not be allowed to own a handun.
Definatly for violent crimes, but not for someone who failed to pay a parking ticket.
People who don't pay parking tickets don't go to jail, your hyperbole is not within the reason of the law
-All automatic or select-fire weapons must be stored at a licensed gun range (they serve zero purpose outside of target shooting)
The right to bear arms is not about target shooting or hunting, it is about defending ourselfs from a goverment that has got out of control. I hav eno problem with people owning automatic weapons and storing them in their house. A fully automatic weapon serves no additional protection to a civilian that a less dangerous and less potent handgun or rifle would. The government is not going to march the 101st Infantry to your doorstep, and even if it did, your UZI would not do you any good. Get over your paranoia
Other than that, shoot away! Everyone has the right from birth to own a gun this way, as long as they abide by the rules of our country.
The rule being, the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infrindged.
Originally posted by: Brackis
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Brackis
I'm going to use bullet points to make my statement clear, and make a pun
-Everyone should be required to go through an extensive gun training course before purchasing a gun, the same way a 16 year old takes Drivers-Ed and then has to pass a written and driving test. On top of the basic course for rifle and shotgun ownership, further training would be required for handgun ownership and any specialized weapon.
I received extensive training about firearms growing up. A class does not need to be required
Just because you are the demi-god of firearms doesn't mean everyone shouldn't have to show knowledge. Does Jeff Gordon not have to have insurance or a license to drive on the highway like everyone else? No, be quiet and get in line because everything isn't going to cater to you.
Does jeff gordon does not have to show his id when he races on a private track. Nope. Thanks for playing
-All guns sold, and all owners should be put in a federal database which includes the ID'ing of guns based on its unique case markings.
That will make it so much easier to collect them when they become outlawed. No thanks.
Why then, if you assume guns will be outlawed, do you bother to abide by any gun laws, or laws of this country for that matter? Do you plan on running into the mountains and using guerilla tactics to hide unlicensed guns if the secret police come to take away your trap shooting gun?
Consindering I have a right to own them they will not be easy for them to be taken away. Do you want to live in a country where to goverment does not trust it citizens to defend themselves?
-Anyone who has served jailed time for any crime should not be allowed to own a handun.
Definatly for violent crimes, but not for someone who failed to pay a parking ticket.
People who don't pay parking tickets don't go to jail, your hyperbole is not within the reason of the law
try google next time
-All automatic or select-fire weapons must be stored at a licensed gun range (they serve zero purpose outside of target shooting)
The right to bear arms is not about target shooting or hunting, it is about defending ourselfs from a goverment that has got out of control. I hav eno problem with people owning automatic weapons and storing them in their house. A fully automatic weapon serves no additional protection to a civilian that a less dangerous and less potent handgun or rifle would. The government is not going to march the 101st Infantry to your doorstep, and even if it did, your UZI would not do you any good. Get over your paranoia
On this we will have to disagree. Why should average citizen be less well armed than the average member of the military
Other than that, shoot away! Everyone has the right from birth to own a gun this way, as long as they abide by the rules of our country.
The rule being, the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infrindged.
You live in some distorted other dimension of our world. Face reality and enjoy your guns.
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Originally posted by: Brackis
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Brackis
I'm going to use bullet points to make my statement clear, and make a pun
-Everyone should be required to go through an extensive gun training course before purchasing a gun, the same way a 16 year old takes Drivers-Ed and then has to pass a written and driving test. On top of the basic course for rifle and shotgun ownership, further training would be required for handgun ownership and any specialized weapon.
I received extensive training about firearms growing up. A class does not need to be required
Just because you are the demi-god of firearms doesn't mean everyone shouldn't have to show knowledge. Does Jeff Gordon not have to have insurance or a license to drive on the highway like everyone else? No, be quiet and get in line because everything isn't going to cater to you.
-All guns sold, and all owners should be put in a federal database which includes the ID'ing of guns based on its unique case markings.
That will make it so much easier to collect them when they become outlawed. No thanks.
Why then, if you assume guns will be outlawed, do you bother to abide by any gun laws, or laws of this country for that matter? Do you plan on running into the mountains and using guerilla tactics to hide unlicensed guns if the secret police come to take away your trap shooting gun?
-Anyone who has served jailed time for any crime should not be allowed to own a handun.
Definatly for violent crimes, but not for someone who failed to pay a parking ticket.
People who don't pay parking tickets don't go to jail, your hyperbole is not within the reason of the law
-All automatic or select-fire weapons must be stored at a licensed gun range (they serve zero purpose outside of target shooting)
The right to bear arms is not about target shooting or hunting, it is about defending ourselfs from a goverment that has got out of control. I hav eno problem with people owning automatic weapons and storing them in their house. A fully automatic weapon serves no additional protection to a civilian that a less dangerous and less potent handgun or rifle would. The government is not going to march the 101st Infantry to your doorstep, and even if it did, your UZI would not do you any good. Get over your paranoia
Other than that, shoot away! Everyone has the right from birth to own a gun this way, as long as they abide by the rules of our country.
The rule being, the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infrindged.
You live in some distorted other dimension of our world. Face reality and enjoy your guns.
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I'm going to stop arguing with you if this is your cornerstone.On this we will have to disagree. Why should average citizen be less well armed than the average member of the military
Originally posted by: Brackis
I'm going to stop arguing with you if this is your cornerstone.On this we will have to disagree. Why should average citizen be less well armed than the average member of the military
Also, your google link shows nothing but a couple of articles from Canada. Please show me where someone was jailed for the SOLE reason of getting parking ticket and the United States and I will ammend my comment about not allowing anyone who has served jailtime to own a handgun.
Originally posted by: K1052
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Originally posted by: Brackis
Originally posted by: K1052
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Yes, this is why we have things like the PENTAGON, NSA, & the MILITARY. What Hamilton is saying is exactly opposite what you are trying to prove, which is that we need a political system to keep our country stable because things will not always be tranquil.
Follow?
I can draw pictures if you need.
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: Brackis
Originally posted by: K1052
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Yes, this is why we have things like the PENTAGON, NSA, & the MILITARY. What Hamilton is saying is exactly opposite what you are trying to prove, which is that we need a political system to keep our country stable because things will not always be tranquil.
Follow?
I can draw pictures if you need.
Nonesense. Political systems are actually designed in such a way that leads them to incite war and crisis, for this is how the political class increases its power over its citizens. I'd like to see you draw some pictures, please do.
Originally posted by: Brackis
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: Brackis
Originally posted by: K1052
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Yes, this is why we have things like the PENTAGON, NSA, & the MILITARY. What Hamilton is saying is exactly opposite what you are trying to prove, which is that we need a political system to keep our country stable because things will not always be tranquil.
Follow?
I can draw pictures if you need.
Nonesense. Political systems are actually designed in such a way that leads them to incite war and crisis, for this is how the political class increases its power over its citizens. I'd like to see you draw some pictures, please do.
I am talking about on the domestic front... I actually used rather poor examples. I should have talked about police, national gaurd, FBI, CIA, Homeland security.
Point is that he misinterperates the quote.
He sats:
-We need guns because things will never be tranquil anbd the government can't save us
Hamilton says:
We need to protect ourselves with our government because the road will be filled with bumps and potholes.
I'll have a picture up in a bit.
Originally posted by: Brackis
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: Brackis
Originally posted by: K1052
Please see sig.
Yes, this is why we have things like the PENTAGON, NSA, & the MILITARY. What Hamilton is saying is exactly opposite what you are trying to prove, which is that we need a political system to keep our country stable because things will not always be tranquil.
Follow?
I can draw pictures if you need.
Nonesense. Political systems are actually designed in such a way that leads them to incite war and crisis, for this is how the political class increases its power over its citizens. I'd like to see you draw some pictures, please do.
I am talking about on the domestic front... I actually used rather poor examples. I should have talked about police, national gaurd, FBI, CIA, Homeland security.
Point is that he misinterperates the quote.
He sats:
-We need guns because things will never be tranquil anbd the government can't save us
Hamilton says:
We need to protect ourselves with our government because the road will be filled with bumps and potholes.
I'll have a picture up in a bit.
Originally posted by: Tommunist
I'm more worried about someone driving over me than I am getting shot (and if you saw the way people drove around Boston you'd understand why!).
That's a nice thought but guns alone won't do the trick. We'd need cruise missles, stingers, fighter jets, tanks, battleships, subs, extensive and well set up intelligence feeds. Even if we gave every person in the US a gun our military could still kick the sh!te out of us. The chance of a violent overthrow of the gov't is pretty much nill unless some people in the military decide to side with the people and not the gov't.
It's hard to defend your country with a Super-Soaker.A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.
-Edward Abbey
As someone who's extremely suicidal about 6 hours in every year because of a severe mental illness, I agree totally with this. I DO NOT want to wake up after a bad hallucinatory experience and discover a bloody corpse next to me.I think the instant check isn't a bad thing at all, selling to mental health patients is absurd.
Originally posted by: loki8481
I support partial gun control.
people who have been convicted for violent crime should not be able to buy a gun. if caught with a gun in their possession, the penalties should be harsher than for a non-criminal.
background checks to rule out criminals and crazy people should be required, as should a short (3-5 days) waiting period.
the sale of guns at gun shows should be cracked down on, to ensure that they follow the same regulations as all other gun sales.
Just looks like a gun to meOriginally posted by: Dissipate
Take a look at this bad boy. Five-Seven*drool*
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: loki8481
I support partial gun control.
people who have been convicted for violent crime should not be able to buy a gun. if caught with a gun in their possession, the penalties should be harsher than for a non-criminal.
background checks to rule out criminals and crazy people should be required, as should a short (3-5 days) waiting period.
the sale of guns at gun shows should be cracked down on, to ensure that they follow the same regulations as all other gun sales.
That's it? I'd go for that over today's regulations anyday. That means I could own a heavy machine gun etc. as long as I'm not a criminal right?
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: loki8481
I support partial gun control.
people who have been convicted for violent crime should not be able to buy a gun. if caught with a gun in their possession, the penalties should be harsher than for a non-criminal.
background checks to rule out criminals and crazy people should be required, as should a short (3-5 days) waiting period.
the sale of guns at gun shows should be cracked down on, to ensure that they follow the same regulations as all other gun sales.
That's it? I'd go for that over today's regulations anyday. That means I could own a heavy machine gun etc. as long as I'm not a criminal right?
Actually, it would be great if I were just allowed to own a P90 and a five-seven.
Take a look at this bad boy. Five-Seven*drool*
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: loki8481
I support partial gun control.
people who have been convicted for violent crime should not be able to buy a gun. if caught with a gun in their possession, the penalties should be harsher than for a non-criminal.
background checks to rule out criminals and crazy people should be required, as should a short (3-5 days) waiting period.
the sale of guns at gun shows should be cracked down on, to ensure that they follow the same regulations as all other gun sales.
That's it? I'd go for that over today's regulations anyday. That means I could own a heavy machine gun etc. as long as I'm not a criminal right?
Actually, it would be great if I were just allowed to own a P90 and a five-seven.
Take a look at this bad boy. Five-Seven*drool*
The Five Seven is available, though the SS190 round is prohibited.
A semi-auto P90 will be available later this year.
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Pfff, I don't want that watered down stuff. I want the real deal with the armor piercing rounds. Criminals have access to body armor too.Originally posted by: K1052
The Five Seven is available, though the SS190 round is prohibited.Originally posted by: Dissipate
Actually, it would be great if I were just allowed to own a P90 and a five-seven.
Take a look at this bad boy. Five-Seven*drool*
A semi-auto P90 will be available later this year.