does anyone remember when cd burners first came out?

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Avi Leidner

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How strange, to be adding a reply to this thread some 11 or 12 years later. Between 2007 and now, 2019, the Future that Blade Runner could not even guess at. From the rise of the cellular phone, and the mobile everything, to the rise and fall of the Soft Media on the Hard Mediums. The Compact disc ... being perhaps a center point, a soon-to-be emerging media technology, just barely a couple of years beyond the vanishing point of event horizon. Off World colonies and artificial/synthetic cognition are still just as much far distant future unknowns today as they were in 1982, while Video Tape Rental shops were just Taking Off (and, not without some irony, 8 Track Cassette Tape Cartridges and Players, designed by Bill Lear for use in airplanes, were “circling the drain”).

But things followed peculiar lifespans ... the rise of the Compact Disc [and decline to the present state of a prolonged “circling the drain”] is a strange and twisted history and Pandora’s box of stories, personal, professional, and industrial alike.

When I came into “working” on the retail side of music, it was still in an age when “we” were the people “in the know.” Not in selling records (which were then no longer really “selling” in the major Record Stores, having been displaced almost entirely by Compact Discs), but in Instruments, and “Pro Audio,” which my own unknowing contribution would transform that market into “Pro Sound & Stage Lighting,” merging together the technologies behind music recording and performance PRODUCTION.

1996, and the shift was in place, but the machinery wasn’t moving. Literally. The reckoning of the fusion between previously disparate technologies and skills, separating recording producers & engineers from live venue sound techs & Sound reinforcement guys, from DJs, from Squints, was already a done deal. The problem was that nobody who knew about anything and everything related to Sound worked, actually knew even in the slightest how lights worked.

Guitar Center wanted to be First On The Scene, and integrate technologies. Fresh out of three years of academia in Scenic Technology for Theater, I wanted to get on board with the future of that and live & recorded Sound. So-Called Intelligent lighting. A mere inquiry about the languishing showroom equipment put me on a fast-track crash course in “floor sales,” to put me in place for learning and schooling the rest of the soon-to-transform “department” on how to operate what they were trying to sell.

So I was behind the counter when new storage Media were breaking into retail for professionals. The short-lived Zip and even shorter loved Jaz drives were making the scene. But the CD (really CD-R) burner was already on the horizon. The types which would get busted down to a “prosumer” level had been sort of the locked up and exclusive domain of professionals who worked only in the sectors which did business as or with production, distribution or duplication companies & “houses.” For indie & unsigned bands, “Professional” duplication of record or tape demos was still near-mandatory, while wanting to put out an “indie” (self-press) “record” (on CD) meant submitting to the special secret processes of [pre] mastering and “glass mastering” for replication. A whole lot of the behind-closed-doors mystification of CD production mastering & pre-mastering (along with the costs) was teetering on getting blown away. Once a CD burner for a Recording Studio System and Budget could get onto the “Pro Audio” retail shelves.

It was just about a decade after the “invention” of the CD-R, that the CD-R Drive, capable of Burning an Audio CD [R], that could be played on any (class compliant) CD player hit that level of the Market. That roughly-a-year span, centering on 1997, and spilling into ‘98. Such that by early ‘99, modest (but serious-minded) independent and small recording/production studios could get a hold of one ... for maybe less than six hundred bucks (if you had “connections”).

Funny to think, 1999 was the year predicted in Wim Wenders “Until The End Of The World,” (1991) which still could not foresee the massive swerve which the mobile phone & media player would take culture onto the ride for. But it may well have predicted the hard media which would spell out the limit on even Blue Ray Disc longevity by the time the “HD War” had been won. The “SD” card & Flash Storage.


Performance of the “affordable” external CD-R burners (2X Speed! Wow! In 1999) was abysmal. (Meaning, to burn a full Audio CD, which gave you a whole 64 Minutes of Music) had to still be done at 1X in order to prevent erroring out. (And even at that, about 1 in every 10 would fail anyway).

That was the “state of things” at the end of 1999. When I first put the CD-R Burner acquired for my recording studio to a new use: Burning multiple copies of a live recorded DJ set of newly acquired tracks for Holiday Gifts to friends in “the scene” at the turn of the millennium. (With a loving spoof on sincere efforts made by V-Cinema toward accurately translating titles into English, only to produce articulate “Engrish”).

Hard to believe sometimes just how quickly, erratically and unpredictably the seemingly smallest shifts in technologies and media changed the way the history of the world ... a far cry from any practical effort toward prediction ...actually became written ... and recorded.

https://www.digitaltrends.com/features/the-history-of-the-cds-rise-and-fall/
 
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pcgeek11

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Yes I remember, And I also remember that they were seriously flawed. I hated those things with a passion. Buffer over runs, buffer under runs.....
 

dabuddha

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I remember buying a 1x cd burner back in 1996 for about $1000 from Incredible Universe (which became Frys)
 

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Nefarious tales of past piracy deleted. We cannot allow such tales to be openly posted. Something, something . . . lawyers.

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Scarpozzi

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A buddy of mine had a 1-way cable modem connection in 1997. We would use IRC for downloading too. He had a burner before I did and would make me CDs with just about anything I wanted. He had one of the first CDRW's out there. I didn't get one for another 2 years. I also got a Sony Spressa...but something was wrong with the USB circuit. I ended up having to install it internally to make it work again. Sony wouldn't give me any support on that issue, so to this day they're dead to me. =P

I remember in 1994 or so when I was standing in a Software Etc store in the mall. The sales guy had a CD in one hand....held the other one out shoulder height and said, "This CD has the same amount of storage as a stack of floppy disks this high!" They were demoing a CD Encyclopedia with lots of images and a few videos.

I remember at work we ended up ordering an external Plextor drive because our network engineer swore it was the best, but I don't believe it was USB. It may have been SCSI since all of our servers and a lot of workstations had a SCSI card.
 
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Gunbuster

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My first was a Pinnacle Micro external SCSI 1X I think, borrowed it from a friend. I think he paid something like $1200
 

ctbaars

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I still ... I still use a, you know, burner, I still use a CD burner !
 

Insomniator

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Oh yeah, my dad bought one in like 1998? 1999? mainly to burn Playstation 1 games for me. I remember him and a friend soldering a mod chip onto the Ps1 to allow this -- we were all quite surprised it worked.

I remembering it taking ~40 minutes to make a copy and 50% of them were coasters. Had to have the right media...right speed... right software...

Remember the speeds used to double every few months... 2x... 4x... 8x... don't even know what new one's are anymore. Haven't had an optical drive in 5+ years.
 

nakedfrog

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Oh yeah, my dad bought one in like 1998? 1999? mainly to burn Playstation 1 games for me. I remember him and a friend soldering a mod chip onto the Ps1 to allow this -- we were all quite surprised it worked.

I remembering it taking ~40 minutes to make a copy and 50% of them were coasters. Had to have the right media...right speed... right software...

Remember the speeds used to double every few months... 2x... 4x... 8x... don't even know what new one's are anymore. Haven't had an optical drive in 5+ years.
I think they topped out around 52X due to physical limitations.
Did the same with my first burner, except I had a plug-in mod chip.
 

manly

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I remember buying a 1x cd burner back in 1996 for about $1000 from Incredible Universe (which became Frys)
Whoa, Fry's was originally something else?

And I can't believe there were USB 1.1 CD burners? No wonder they were unreliable, that's a terrible bus lol. As others have noted, the earliest CD-R drives were SCSI, and used a CD caddy. My first CD-RW drive was an internal Sony ATAPI drive (that used a caddy) and I never got nearly $400 value out of it. I believe like in many optical drives, the lens got dirty which affected writing reliability.
 

FeuerFrei

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I never did any burning much.
Because ... I had a mp3 player for music playback.
And never did much backing up until thumb drives were available.
 

Oyeve

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My first burner was an external SCSI Toshiba 1x drive. Blanks were like $50 EACH. If you bumped the mouse, coaster.

My first CD Drive was a few years before the burner, it was a Creative Labs 1x combo soundcard and drive. The internal connector was proprietary to the cd and sound card. $500.

Now, burners are like 20-30 bucks and blanks are pennies. I remember hoarding 100x spindles every time newegg had a sale. I still have 100s of blanks that i will never use.
 

mikeymikec

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I think the first CD burner I had was 24x, (in the days of having a DVD reader separate from CD writer) though I seem to remember a 12x (maybe not in my own PC build though).
 

VirtualLarry

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I remember back in the day, sometime in the 90s, bought an external 1X CD-R drive off of a buddy that was upgrading. What a slow PITA drive it was. I would make a coaster like 50% of the time, even with SCSI. Maybe my PC at the time was just slow. Or maybe it was the CompUSA-branded "Princo" discs, that had a silver reflective layer that was literally just spray-coated on top, right below the label printing. When I finally started using better discs, much lower coaster rates.

Anyways, those CompUSA discs were like $50 per spindle of 50, but... they had a "lifetime warranty" statement printed on the box, so when I ended up with a full spindle of coasters, back they went, for an exchange for a new spindle! I did that a couple of times. I didn't feel so bad about using their warranty (not abusing), because after I switched to a better OEM for discs, the coaster rate went way down. IOW, they were selling me crap discs in the first place.
 

Oyeve

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I remember back in the day, sometime in the 90s, bought an external 1X CD-R drive off of a buddy that was upgrading. What a slow PITA drive it was. I would make a coaster like 50% of the time, even with SCSI. Maybe my PC at the time was just slow. Or maybe it was the CompUSA-branded "Princo" discs, that had a silver reflective layer that was literally just spray-coated on top, right below the label printing. When I finally started using better discs, much lower coaster rates.

Anyways, those CompUSA discs were like $50 per spindle of 50, but... they had a "lifetime warranty" statement printed on the box, so when I ended up with a full spindle of coasters, back they went, for an exchange for a new spindle! I did that a couple of times. I didn't feel so bad about using their warranty (not abusing), because after I switched to a better OEM for discs, the coaster rate went way down. IOW, they were selling me crap discs in the first place.
I still have a few unopened boxes of CompUSA discs. I wonder if they are worth anything, nostalgia-wise.
 

IronWing

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My current burner craps out at any speed over 8x.

My first burner was a $400 HP external that crapped out half the time.
 

Perknose

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Please folks, not trying to harsh your collective mellow, but openly admitting to piracy, even from the days of your "carefree youth," is something basic ethics and, more specifically, our corporate owner's lawyers will simply not allow here. Do NOT so post. You will be infracted.

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dabuddha

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Whoa, Fry's was originally something else?

And I can't believe there were USB 1.1 CD burners? No wonder they were unreliable, that's a terrible bus lol. As others have noted, the earliest CD-R drives were SCSI, and used a CD caddy. My first CD-RW drive was an internal Sony ATAPI drive (that used a caddy) and I never got nearly $400 value out of it. I believe like in many optical drives, the lens got dirty which affected writing reliability.

Sorry, I meant Fry's bought out Incredible Universe
 

kn51

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Memories...

During the nefarious Best Buy rebate days you could by a spindle of 100 CDs and the rebate basically gave it to you for free.

Boss bought a 1x. He was cranking out coasters like crazy with buffer underruns.

There was also a reader that had two lasers to overcome the 52x limit. Can't remember the name. Also remember what I think was called "lightscribe" or something that could burn images on the face.

Good times.
 

SKORPI0

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I paid for about $700 a HP SureStore CD-Writer 6020i and a Adaptec aha-2920 scsi Aug 1997 from Best Buy. Blank 1X/2X CDs then cost about $4 each (Plasmon, Imation, Memorex, Maxell, TDK, Verbatim, Sony, etc.) Buffer underuns were hard to avoid, so I left the computer doing nothing else when "burning" which took a while. I ended up collecting downloaded mp3 and burning my "best of series".

A few years later (late 90s/2001?) I got a Sony/Lite-On 6X DVD burners (can't remember how much I paid for it), blanks where getting cheaper/affordable. You could get 100 6X 4.7GB blanks for as cheap as $10 late 00s/early 10s. 2012 a LG Blu-ray burner for about $80, 25GB blanks could be bought as cheap as $15 for 50 pcs spindle. For some reason DVD+DL (8.5GB) and BD-R DL (50GB) are still expensive compared to their single layer versions.
 

dainthomas

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I must be one of the few on here who still use an optical drive. My blu-ray burner gets used for totally legal and legitimate backup purposes.
 

JimKiler

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I got a Philips 2x burner for $300 in 1999 and bought the CD-R's on rebate since they were not cheap. The only coasters i got were because i was doing a 1-1 copy from my CD reader drive or i was using my PC for something else. Those discs still play today. I also labeled my mix discs as JimKiler's Super Cool Mix Vol ## after seeing Boogie Nights.

I remember Pioneer had a stand alone burner that physically heated the discs up over 1000 degree Fahrenheit and had a a failure rate of 33% if memory serve me right.
 
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